M.A.S.K.: Mobile Armored Strike Kommand, Vol. 2: Rise of V.E.N.O.M.
Brandon Easton, David Rodriguez (w) • Juan Samu, Drew Moss, Andrew Griffith (a) • Marcelo Perez Dalannays (c)
M.A.S.K. is a team of heroes that streaks into the dangerous, unstable landscape of dark wars, high intrigue, and non-stop action where they'll encounter the nearly unstoppable threat of Miles Mayhem and his black ops squadron known as V.E.N.O.M.
THE ORIGIN OF V.E.N.O.M.! As the M.A.S.K. team constructs a new headquarters in Miami, Matt Trakker goes on a solo mission to identify new recruits. Along the way, Trakker crosses paths with Dr. Mindbender, who instructs him on the art of leadership and manipulation. But Trakker quickly uncovers Mindbender's twisted goals and learns the true history of his former teammates who became members of V.E.N.O.M. Collects issues #6–10 and the 2017 Annual.
TPB • FC • $19.99 • 144 pages • ISBN: 978-1-68405-048-2
Bullet points:
Winner of two 2017 Glyph Awards: Best Male Character and Fan Award For Best Work!
Advance solicited for January release!
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Jan 19, 2018
Courtesy this time not of iTunes but directly the IDW Publishing website, we have a three-page preview for a couple of upcoming comics in the Hasbro Universe, both featuring Transformers in some way! First up is the second of the three issues of the short-lived Scarlett's Strike Force series, a continuation of the MASK and GI Joe teams, with Skywarp for added salt. Check out below blurb and preview, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!
AVAILABLE: January 2018
CREATORS:
Aubrey Sitterson (Author) • Nelson Daniel (Artist) • Khary Randolph (Cover Artist) • Nelson Daniel (Cover Artist)
Savage jungles, dinosaur fights, magic rituals, Kung-Fu, monster trucks, giant robots, weird science, strange villains and more—and it’s only the second issue! Roadblock’s team continues its hunt for the brand-new Cobra Commander as trouble brews inside of G.I. Joe’s underwater base. By Aubrey Sitterson (G.I. Joe, Street Fighter x G.I. Joe) and Nelson Daniel (Clue, Dungeons & Dragons). No wonder people are calling it The Best Action Comic Ever!
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Comment by ausbot
Jan 19, 2018
Dinoriders? Now this is the comeback I have been waiting for.
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Comment by DMSL
Jan 19, 2018
Mediocre graphics in that comic, that vehicle they have looks so out of scale it almost looks like fanart done by a 5 year old.
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Comment by Tigertrack
Jan 19, 2018
Beautiful cover. And yeah, the vehicle is pretty ridiculous.
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Comment by ScottyP
Jan 22, 2018
^ That's all I need from this though. I don't need or want tacticool military 'Murica freedom serious time. They're fighting dinosaurs. A large vehicle isn't running my suspension of disbelief into the pavement any further.
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Comment by jogunwarrior
Jan 22, 2018
I am not sure which is worse here: The writing or the art?
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What, you don't want to see The General* driven through an undeveloped rain forest like it ain't no Thang?
*look it up if you don't know, as Lego joker says "it's probably worth the google"
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Jan 22, 2018

ScottyP wrote:^ That's all I need from this though. I don't need or want tacticool military 'Murica freedom serious time. They're fighting dinosaurs. A large vehicle isn't running my suspension of disbelief into the pavement any further.
What, you don't want to see The General* driven through an undeveloped rain forest like it ain't no Thang?
*look it up if you don't know, as Lego joker says "it's probably worth the google"
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Comment by Transcendent30
Jan 23, 2018
Count the straight white men. More SJW political stupidity from a discredited comic house IDW. Boycott IDW. Please someone bring back real comics with real heroes and stories. Not just token minorities and women "empowering" about and signaling their own virtue. Nothing wrong with women and minorities, but they have to be realistic in their portrayal. You cant just edit out all the white men, and replace them with minorities because "WHITE MEN CAUSE RAPE AND RACISM". Grow the heck up. Also...that artwork is so bad. I couldn't be forced to read this crap for anything.
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Comment by Va'al
Jan 30, 2018
Also out this week with IDW Publishing, alongside Transformers vs Visionaries #2, is the second issue out of three (unfortunately) of the follow-up to the series focusing on GI Joe and MASK - with a little Dire Wraith thrown in for good measure - Scarlett's Strike Force!
The full preview below is courtesy of entertainment and comics website Multiversity Comics, take a look, and join us on Wednesday here at Seibertron.com for a special feature on this week's comics. And as always, join the discussion in the Energon Pub.
The full preview below is courtesy of entertainment and comics website Multiversity Comics, take a look, and join us on Wednesday here at Seibertron.com for a special feature on this week's comics. And as always, join the discussion in the Energon Pub.
Written by Aubrey Sitterson
Illustrated by Nelson Daniel
Colored by Ryan Hill
Lettered by Taylor Esposito
Savage jungles, dinosaur fights, magic rituals, Kung-Fu, monster trucks, giant robots, weird science, strange villains and more—and it’s only the second issue! Roadblock’s team continues its hunt for the brand-new Cobra Commander as trouble brews inside of G.I. Joe’s underwater base. By Aubrey Sitterson (G.I. Joe, Street Fighter x G.I. Joe) and Nelson Daniel (Clue, Dungeons & Dragons). No wonder people are calling it The Best Action Comic Ever!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Bullet points:
· Featuring all-stars of the Hasbro line as M.A.S.K.: Mobile Armored Strike Kommand and the Transformers join G.I. Joe in the fight against Cobra!
· Variant cover by Vasilis Lolos!
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Two comics arrive from IDW Publishing this week that feature Transformers, in the form of Scarlett's Strike Force #2, which is the topic of this review, and Transformers vs. Visionaries #2. These reviews will both be pretty spoiler heavy, as this is meant to assist with comparisons and contrasts with the other book whose review is meant to be read before or after this as a companion piece. You can find that review, for the lastest chapter of Transformers vs. Visionaries, by clicking or tapping on over to this link.
I found myself quite enjoying one of this week's entries in the IDW Hasbro Universe, and really not enjoying the other at all. Which will Scarlett's Strike Force #2 be? Read on to find out!
This is one ridiculous, completely unbelievable, out of this world comic. There are fights against dinosaurs, a caveman that appears from out of nowhere that said dinosaurs kinda listen to, villains turning people into snake people, theories about perpetual energy, impractical military vehicles, a tag team consisting of a guy that controls birds of prey and another that has a full grown pet crocodile, and Skywarp making a phone call. There are only 20 pages, so you're probably thinking there's no way that could all work together in a coherent, meaningful way. If so, you'd be wrong - this is one very fun comic.
Something super important to me for serial comics, movies, or really any story that has an out-of-this-world backdrop like this one does, is that the story never gets so far removed from being relatable that it loses meaning. Scarlett's Strike Force 2 accomplishes this through leveraging its characters and their interactions at every turn. Seen above are Raptor and Croc Master, a pair of campy and downright weird Cobra villains. Some stories would end things right then and there, allowing you to fill in all the blanks. This one doesn't by giving the two very human dialogue, with this bickering working to make them credible as members of this wacky iteration of Cobra but also as characters worthy of the page space they occupy. They still fight Joes together, but they're also given an element that makes you feel like they're still real. This is a distinct difference between some other lesser villains such as, say, Cravex and Cindarr, who I couldn't tell you anything about other than they are Darkling Lords with beards. I think. Maybe goatees.
Another case of this book successfully using charm to ground a story with an insane premise is found in Destro. Destro is, I think, a guy made of metal, at least somewhat. The point is that he's a walking impossibility, he should not and logically could not exist in real life, and that's completely fine of course. He's working for a Cobra Commander in Baroness that seems to have gone loony during her time locked up in Lemuria/The Nemesis. She's having Cobranarchists turned into snake people (seriously), which presumably is leveraged by Crystal Ball's physic powers and their T'mup with Dire Wraiths.
Pretty stupid, right? Destro agrees.
Having him frame what the reader views, with this skepticism right there on the page, gives Scarlett's Strike Force some honesty in its insanity. No fruit is thrown to resolve anything. Like Polly, Destro throws shade to get his point across.
Chances are you're not following this book just for the Joes, as there's the Decepticon Seeker, Skywarp, still helping the team out while they try to work on how to not work on fixing his teleportation abilities. No one's told Matt Trakker about this, and he gets a few moments reminding you why he was one of the parts of the trainwreck M.A.S.K. re-launch attempt that was worth salvaging. Initially, I was concerned this interaction would be it for Skywarp in this issue, and if it were it would continue a status quo that has been brought up and never resolved for 13-ish issues prior to this one. By the end this was alleviated, as Skywarp calls Duke to channel his bottled up frustration into making a deal - I won't go full on spoiler here so that you can experience it for yourself if you so choose, but suffice it to say that I found it to be a smart twist that made me really want to root for Skywarp. Writer Aubrey Sitterson has taken the base "G1" character, honored developments made to him by John Barber, Shane McCarthy, and others, then built on it in clever ways. He doesn't treat the Transformers property as a burden, prop, or distraction in this "G.I. Joe" book, he treats it as a tool and makes full use of it.
The art is a bit of a mixed bag, at least on the surface. Out of context, some of it looks less than great. Within the context of the book (where it actually matters!), Nelson Daniel's lines are fluid, expressive, and well suited for the heavy action focus of the story. Some parts feel like they're channeling early-mid 90s Geoff Senior a little, and while I wouldn't take that comparison too far, it is made as a compliment to the choice made to keep the focus on where it's intended to be. Ryan Hill's colors, though very orange heavy throughout, help distinguish scenes from one another well, with the cold, steely interior of Lemuria contrasting vividly with both the characters within it and with the red, dark, underground feeling of Crystal Ball's P.I.T. For the record, I'm not sure it's actually called the P.I.T., I've been reading Transformers vs. G.I. Joe: The Quintessential Collection and it's rubbing off. Speaking of Scioli, Taylor Esposito handles the lettering work well, and although there aren't too many speech bubbles to navigate there are plenty of fun sound effects throughout that assist with the action sequences.
The covers aren't bad, though I would like to actually see some Baroness Commander channeling the Dino Riders sometime, which is seen on the cover by Harvey Tolibao used in this news story's thumbnail. As always, you can find images of all of the covers and full credits for the issue in our Vector Sigma Database page for Scarlett's Strike Force #2, but do note it does contain a character appearance list that may be considered as spoiler-laden!
This isn't a story without its flaws - the setting sprawls a bit and some parts feel unfocused, with the actual focus on action making for a sometimes-too-quick turn through pages - but the character work that is seen and the dialogue that is presented all feel like they should be there. The introduction of a new character (at least, new to me) in Friday is handled well, with this unintelligible caveman more memorable already than most of the Spectral Knights over in Transformers vs. Visionaries. As fellow comics reviewer/fellow site admin Va'al pointed out to me while we pondered how to go about these reviews, Sitterson had fun with the toybox he was given and I think it shows. There's intriguing development throughout, and Skywarp's call to Duke at the end feels significant not just because of what it is, but because of what it does.
What exactly does it do? It makes me want to read more, and it's a shame there's only one more issue of this book to go.
Comment by ScottyP
Feb 7, 2018
One of These Things Is Not Like The Other: Part 1 (of 2)
A review of IDW's latest GI Joe comic, Scarlett's Strike Force #2
Very Spoiler Filled - You Have Been Warned!

Maybe the most depressing Grand Slam line so far?
A review of IDW's latest GI Joe comic, Scarlett's Strike Force #2
Very Spoiler Filled - You Have Been Warned!

Maybe the most depressing Grand Slam line so far?
Two comics arrive from IDW Publishing this week that feature Transformers, in the form of Scarlett's Strike Force #2, which is the topic of this review, and Transformers vs. Visionaries #2. These reviews will both be pretty spoiler heavy, as this is meant to assist with comparisons and contrasts with the other book whose review is meant to be read before or after this as a companion piece. You can find that review, for the lastest chapter of Transformers vs. Visionaries, by clicking or tapping on over to this link.
I found myself quite enjoying one of this week's entries in the IDW Hasbro Universe, and really not enjoying the other at all. Which will Scarlett's Strike Force #2 be? Read on to find out!
This is one ridiculous, completely unbelievable, out of this world comic. There are fights against dinosaurs, a caveman that appears from out of nowhere that said dinosaurs kinda listen to, villains turning people into snake people, theories about perpetual energy, impractical military vehicles, a tag team consisting of a guy that controls birds of prey and another that has a full grown pet crocodile, and Skywarp making a phone call. There are only 20 pages, so you're probably thinking there's no way that could all work together in a coherent, meaningful way. If so, you'd be wrong - this is one very fun comic.
Something super important to me for serial comics, movies, or really any story that has an out-of-this-world backdrop like this one does, is that the story never gets so far removed from being relatable that it loses meaning. Scarlett's Strike Force 2 accomplishes this through leveraging its characters and their interactions at every turn. Seen above are Raptor and Croc Master, a pair of campy and downright weird Cobra villains. Some stories would end things right then and there, allowing you to fill in all the blanks. This one doesn't by giving the two very human dialogue, with this bickering working to make them credible as members of this wacky iteration of Cobra but also as characters worthy of the page space they occupy. They still fight Joes together, but they're also given an element that makes you feel like they're still real. This is a distinct difference between some other lesser villains such as, say, Cravex and Cindarr, who I couldn't tell you anything about other than they are Darkling Lords with beards. I think. Maybe goatees.
Another case of this book successfully using charm to ground a story with an insane premise is found in Destro. Destro is, I think, a guy made of metal, at least somewhat. The point is that he's a walking impossibility, he should not and logically could not exist in real life, and that's completely fine of course. He's working for a Cobra Commander in Baroness that seems to have gone loony during her time locked up in Lemuria/The Nemesis. She's having Cobranarchists turned into snake people (seriously), which presumably is leveraged by Crystal Ball's physic powers and their T'mup with Dire Wraiths.
Pretty stupid, right? Destro agrees.
Having him frame what the reader views, with this skepticism right there on the page, gives Scarlett's Strike Force some honesty in its insanity. No fruit is thrown to resolve anything. Like Polly, Destro throws shade to get his point across.
Chances are you're not following this book just for the Joes, as there's the Decepticon Seeker, Skywarp, still helping the team out while they try to work on how to not work on fixing his teleportation abilities. No one's told Matt Trakker about this, and he gets a few moments reminding you why he was one of the parts of the trainwreck M.A.S.K. re-launch attempt that was worth salvaging. Initially, I was concerned this interaction would be it for Skywarp in this issue, and if it were it would continue a status quo that has been brought up and never resolved for 13-ish issues prior to this one. By the end this was alleviated, as Skywarp calls Duke to channel his bottled up frustration into making a deal - I won't go full on spoiler here so that you can experience it for yourself if you so choose, but suffice it to say that I found it to be a smart twist that made me really want to root for Skywarp. Writer Aubrey Sitterson has taken the base "G1" character, honored developments made to him by John Barber, Shane McCarthy, and others, then built on it in clever ways. He doesn't treat the Transformers property as a burden, prop, or distraction in this "G.I. Joe" book, he treats it as a tool and makes full use of it.
The art is a bit of a mixed bag, at least on the surface. Out of context, some of it looks less than great. Within the context of the book (where it actually matters!), Nelson Daniel's lines are fluid, expressive, and well suited for the heavy action focus of the story. Some parts feel like they're channeling early-mid 90s Geoff Senior a little, and while I wouldn't take that comparison too far, it is made as a compliment to the choice made to keep the focus on where it's intended to be. Ryan Hill's colors, though very orange heavy throughout, help distinguish scenes from one another well, with the cold, steely interior of Lemuria contrasting vividly with both the characters within it and with the red, dark, underground feeling of Crystal Ball's P.I.T. For the record, I'm not sure it's actually called the P.I.T., I've been reading Transformers vs. G.I. Joe: The Quintessential Collection and it's rubbing off. Speaking of Scioli, Taylor Esposito handles the lettering work well, and although there aren't too many speech bubbles to navigate there are plenty of fun sound effects throughout that assist with the action sequences.
The covers aren't bad, though I would like to actually see some Baroness Commander channeling the Dino Riders sometime, which is seen on the cover by Harvey Tolibao used in this news story's thumbnail. As always, you can find images of all of the covers and full credits for the issue in our Vector Sigma Database page for Scarlett's Strike Force #2, but do note it does contain a character appearance list that may be considered as spoiler-laden!
This isn't a story without its flaws - the setting sprawls a bit and some parts feel unfocused, with the actual focus on action making for a sometimes-too-quick turn through pages - but the character work that is seen and the dialogue that is presented all feel like they should be there. The introduction of a new character (at least, new to me) in Friday is handled well, with this unintelligible caveman more memorable already than most of the Spectral Knights over in Transformers vs. Visionaries. As fellow comics reviewer/fellow site admin Va'al pointed out to me while we pondered how to go about these reviews, Sitterson had fun with the toybox he was given and I think it shows. There's intriguing development throughout, and Skywarp's call to Duke at the end feels significant not just because of what it is, but because of what it does.
What exactly does it do? It makes me want to read more, and it's a shame there's only one more issue of this book to go.
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Comment by ZeroWolf
Feb 7, 2018
So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
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Comment by ScottyP
Feb 7, 2018
No factual idea, but with Micronauts, MASK, and Rom having Omnibus style editions announced while Joe has not, I assume it will be collected with GI Joe 1-9 in a larger format TPB.ZeroWolf wrote:So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
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Seems a shame as I love off the wall crazy ideas like this.
Comment by ZeroWolf
Feb 7, 2018
ScottyP wrote:No factual idea, but with Micronauts, MASK, and Rom having Omnibus style editions announced while Joe has not, I assume it will be collected with GI Joe 1-9 in a larger format TPB.ZeroWolf wrote:So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
Seems a shame as I love off the wall crazy ideas like this.
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The Scarlett's Strike Force TPB will collect all three issues, plus the First Strike two-part tie-in.
I've said it once, I'll say it again: this series getting canned is a damn crime.
Comment by Daniel Adkins
Feb 7, 2018
ScottyP wrote:No factual idea, but with Micronauts, MASK, and Rom having Omnibus style editions announced while Joe has not, I assume it will be collected with GI Joe 1-9 in a larger format TPB.ZeroWolf wrote:So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
The Scarlett's Strike Force TPB will collect all three issues, plus the First Strike two-part tie-in.
I've said it once, I'll say it again: this series getting canned is a damn crime.
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On top of the First Strike tie-in being collected in Champions?
Comment by Va'al
Feb 8, 2018
Daniel Adkins wrote:ScottyP wrote:No factual idea, but with Micronauts, MASK, and Rom having Omnibus style editions announced while Joe has not, I assume it will be collected with GI Joe 1-9 in a larger format TPB.ZeroWolf wrote:So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
The Scarlett's Strike Force TPB will collect all three issues, plus the First Strike two-part tie-in.
On top of the First Strike tie-in being collected in Champions?

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Yeah. It’s not like this isn’t something that happens a lot with event tie-ins with trades.
Comment by Daniel Adkins
Feb 8, 2018
Va'al wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:ScottyP wrote:No factual idea, but with Micronauts, MASK, and Rom having Omnibus style editions announced while Joe has not, I assume it will be collected with GI Joe 1-9 in a larger format TPB.ZeroWolf wrote:So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
The Scarlett's Strike Force TPB will collect all three issues, plus the First Strike two-part tie-in.
On top of the First Strike tie-in being collected in Champions?
Yeah. It’s not like this isn’t something that happens a lot with event tie-ins with trades.
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Just checking, as it came out this week - not questioning you!
Comment by Va'al
Feb 8, 2018
Daniel Adkins wrote:Va'al wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:ScottyP wrote:No factual idea, but with Micronauts, MASK, and Rom having Omnibus style editions announced while Joe has not, I assume it will be collected with GI Joe 1-9 in a larger format TPB.ZeroWolf wrote:So cancelled after three issues? How will it be collected?
The Scarlett's Strike Force TPB will collect all three issues, plus the First Strike two-part tie-in.
On top of the First Strike tie-in being collected in Champions?
Yeah. It’s not like this isn’t something that happens a lot with event tie-ins with trades.
Just checking, as it came out this week - not questioning you!

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Comment by Va'al
Feb 22, 2018
Courtesy of iTunes, we have a three-page preview to share with you all, for the last issue in the short-lived IDW Publishing series focusing on the characters in GI Joe and MASK: Scarlett's Strike Force #3! Including the likes of Matt Trakker, Skywarp, the new Cobra Commander, Vipers and maybe some remaining Dire Wraiths too..? Take a read below!
It’s the third bombastic issue and the fun’s just getting started, sports fans! But that’s how it goes when you mix ninjas, talking robots, elite soldiers, maniacal despots, magical snake rituals... and so much more... into what people are calling The Best Action Comic Ever! By Aubrey Sitterson (G.I. Joe, Street Fighter X G.I. Joe) and Nelson Daniel (Clue, Dungeons & Dragons).
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Comment by Transcendent30
Feb 22, 2018
More social justice bullshit from IDW. *Boycotted*
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Comment by Fires_Of_Inferno
Feb 22, 2018
The artwork is kinda crap, but I like the writing. Also I love that Snake Eyes chose a. My class of choice as well!