There's bot a lot of excitement and doubt when it comes to this film. The excitement comes from the simple fact that this films appears to have the robots be the main characters in their movie for once, with only a couple of humans tagging along. At the same time, doubt comes from June being a stacked month for movie releases. Rise of the Beasts is being released right between Spiderverse's release week-end and the week-end that has both The Flash and Elemental, all family films. We'll see which of these films gets the bigger impact.
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There's bot a lot of excitement and doubt when it comes to this film. The excitement comes from the simple fact that this films appears to have the robots be the main characters in their movie for once, with only a couple of humans tagging along. At the same time, doubt comes from June being a stacked month for movie releases. Rise of the Beasts is being released right between Spiderverse's release week-end and the week-end that has both The Flash and Elemental, all family films. We'll see which of these films gets the bigger impact.
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THAT is the main problem. If you can only relate to a character that "look like you", you have a serious problem.
I've seem movies since ever.
I was Ripley fighting Aliens.
I was Axel Foley solving crimes in Miami.
I was Rambo, mowing down enemies.
I was a German Shepherd trying to find his way home.
I was a freaking TOASTER having a trippy journey.
If you want to "look at you", you narcissist, just get a mirror.
Comment by -Kanrabat-
May 12, 2023
Hydrargyrus wrote:What in the world? Man’s just tryna say that it’s easier to relate to a character that looks like you, because race/ethnicity tends to run a little more than skin-deep. That shouldn’t be controversial.
THAT is the main problem. If you can only relate to a character that "look like you", you have a serious problem.
I've seem movies since ever.
I was Ripley fighting Aliens.
I was Axel Foley solving crimes in Miami.
I was Rambo, mowing down enemies.
I was a German Shepherd trying to find his way home.
I was a freaking TOASTER having a trippy journey.
If you want to "look at you", you narcissist, just get a mirror.
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Comment by TOO MUCH ENERGON!
May 12, 2023
Frankly, I think this film is going to flop. I'm stoked for it myself, but no one I've talked to IRL even knows this movie exists. The thing has been barely marketed even though it was announced like two years ago. Hell, we got that first "teaser" back in December and then nothing until, what, like a few weeks ago until we finally got a "full" trailer? Furthermore, these trailers tells us absolutely nothing about the Maximals. Why are there suddenly animal Transformers? Chances are if you're under 30, you'll have no clue about what Beast Wars is and who these characters are. I used to work with a lot of teenagers who were self-professed big fans of Transformers, and none of them had any idea what Beast Wars was, and thought the idea was stupid when I explained it to them. There's also the notion that G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers, so I have to wonder who this film is even for. Hopefully kids will see this and immediately become fans of Ronnie Primal and Cheetor, but who knows?
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We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.
We grew up watching movies that redefined genres. Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Alien. John Carpenter's The Thing. The Terminator. Not the Disney-fied stripmined versions or "reimagined for modern audiences" nonsense they're trying to sell us now. We're not too old to go to the theater for a good movie. We're smart enough to spot a shit-show when we see it and not waste our money on it. Nursing homes are expensive.
Comment by Brokebot
May 12, 2023
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .
We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.
We grew up watching movies that redefined genres. Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Alien. John Carpenter's The Thing. The Terminator. Not the Disney-fied stripmined versions or "reimagined for modern audiences" nonsense they're trying to sell us now. We're not too old to go to the theater for a good movie. We're smart enough to spot a shit-show when we see it and not waste our money on it. Nursing homes are expensive.

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Comment by Sabrblade
May 12, 2023
Just like the Bay movies.Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .
We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.

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You can take that stance if you like, but statistically people DO age-out of the movie theatre experience by and large. How many movies does you grandmother and great-grandmother go to see per year? Way less than when she was 20. I love all those movies you mentioned (I'm pushing 40 myself), and completely agree with you about being unimpressed by CGI spectacle. One of my favourite moviegoing experiences of the past several years was walking into a movie theatre in the middle of the day and watching The Peanut Butter Falcon.
EDIT: Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
Comment by TOO MUCH ENERGON!
May 12, 2023
Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .
We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.
We grew up watching movies that redefined genres. Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Alien. John Carpenter's The Thing. The Terminator. Not the Disney-fied stripmined versions or "reimagined for modern audiences" nonsense they're trying to sell us now. We're not too old to go to the theater for a good movie. We're smart enough to spot a shit-show when we see it and not waste our money on it. Nursing homes are expensive.
You can take that stance if you like, but statistically people DO age-out of the movie theatre experience by and large. How many movies does you grandmother and great-grandmother go to see per year? Way less than when she was 20. I love all those movies you mentioned (I'm pushing 40 myself), and completely agree with you about being unimpressed by CGI spectacle. One of my favourite moviegoing experiences of the past several years was walking into a movie theatre in the middle of the day and watching The Peanut Butter Falcon.
EDIT: Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
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I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
Comment by Brokebot
May 12, 2023
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
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Amen.
Comment by -Kanrabat-
May 12, 2023
Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
Amen.

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Comment by Sabrblade
May 12, 2023
I don't recall the director saying it's "more" important than all else. Just that it's one aspect of the movie that's important to him.Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
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Regardless, that's not even a problem for me, there were non-whites in all the other movies and it wasn't a problem. My problem is that yet again the Transformers story gets short-changed.
Comment by Rodimus Prime
May 12, 2023
Go back to page 1 and read about his first interview. He literally stated that this movie was "made for black and brown people." I called it out back then, and of course was labeled a racist by a couple narrow minded idiots here.Sabrblade wrote:I don't recall the director saying it's "more" important than all else. Just that it's one aspect of the movie that's important to him.Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
Regardless, that's not even a problem for me, there were non-whites in all the other movies and it wasn't a problem. My problem is that yet again the Transformers story gets short-changed.
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
May 12, 2023
Holy frikkin Christ.
I am done with the lot of you. No wonder we don't have much good conversation on here, when this is where we keep coming back to.
I will make this simple: any additional "race" posts that are not DIRECTLY related to a NEW ARTICLE that is focus on this topic will be deleted and the user warned.
And for 3 of you, you are on the cusp of being banned thanks to warning counts and borderline trolling posts.
We are done here.
I am done with the lot of you. No wonder we don't have much good conversation on here, when this is where we keep coming back to.
I will make this simple: any additional "race" posts that are not DIRECTLY related to a NEW ARTICLE that is focus on this topic will be deleted and the user warned.
And for 3 of you, you are on the cusp of being banned thanks to warning counts and borderline trolling posts.
We are done here.
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And people should be allowed to discuss it. If a hollywood studio makes a diversity obsessed cringe-fest and calls it a movie (or a TV show), people should be free to call it out for what it is. Deciding that you don't like certain truths doesn't make them UN-true, nor unnoticed by the population. Forcing silence isn't creating 'unity', it's applying control - and wandering dangerously close to "peace through tyranny" (to loop it back to Tranformers-talk).
That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
Comment by DeathReviews
May 12, 2023
-Kanrabat- wrote:Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
Amen.
And people should be allowed to discuss it. If a hollywood studio makes a diversity obsessed cringe-fest and calls it a movie (or a TV show), people should be free to call it out for what it is. Deciding that you don't like certain truths doesn't make them UN-true, nor unnoticed by the population. Forcing silence isn't creating 'unity', it's applying control - and wandering dangerously close to "peace through tyranny" (to loop it back to Tranformers-talk).
That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
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It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
Comment by Brokebot
May 12, 2023
DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
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Yeah, it needs at least $500 M, but the good news is that it doesn't need much more than that either. Unlike the other big films, like Indy, Little Mermaid, Elemental and even Spider-verse, the film is very merchandise/licensing heavy. So any marketing push will contribute to sale of all things Transformers, not just the movie. I think we saw from past stats that Hasbro doubles in revenu from toy sales during movie years. If the film can prosper as a paid commercial for more consumer products, then that can be enough to justify making more of them.
The Flash movie is in the same boat as that where it's also very licensing and merchandise heavy.
Comment by william-james88
May 12, 2023
Brokebot wrote:DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
Yeah, it needs at least $500 M, but the good news is that it doesn't need much more than that either. Unlike the other big films, like Indy, Little Mermaid, Elemental and even Spider-verse, the film is very merchandise/licensing heavy. So any marketing push will contribute to sale of all things Transformers, not just the movie. I think we saw from past stats that Hasbro doubles in revenu from toy sales during movie years. If the film can prosper as a paid commercial for more consumer products, then that can be enough to justify making more of them.
The Flash movie is in the same boat as that where it's also very licensing and merchandise heavy.
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Even the worst movies like AoE and TLK broke records.
So for a Transformers movie to fail, it should be done on purpose.
Comment by -Kanrabat-
May 12, 2023
william-james88 wrote:Brokebot wrote:DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
Yeah, it needs at least $500 M, but the good news is that it doesn't need much more than that either. Unlike the other big films, like Indy, Little Mermaid, Elemental and even Spider-verse, the film is very merchandise/licensing heavy. So any marketing push will contribute to sale of all things Transformers, not just the movie. I think we saw from past stats that Hasbro doubles in revenu from toy sales during movie years. If the film can prosper as a paid commercial for more consumer products, then that can be enough to justify making more of them.
The Flash movie is in the same boat as that where it's also very licensing and merchandise heavy.
Even the worst movies like AoE and TLK broke records.
So for a Transformers movie to fail, it should be done on purpose.
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
May 12, 2023
I'm also thinking it will have a rough weekend given it comes out at the same time as the Flash and Spiderverse. That is going to be a very busy movie weekend
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TLK was such a turd burger that it's been blamed for affecting Bumblebee, which only cleared $468M against a budget of $130M.
I'm thinking that the Beasties will have a good opening weekend, then will have a second week nosedive. Hasbro may profit from it, but the movie itself will be a box office failure or barely profit.
Comment by Brokebot
May 12, 2023
-Kanrabat- wrote:Even the worst movies like AoE and TLK broke records.
So for a Transformers movie to fail, it should be done on purpose.
TLK was such a turd burger that it's been blamed for affecting Bumblebee, which only cleared $468M against a budget of $130M.
I'm thinking that the Beasties will have a good opening weekend, then will have a second week nosedive. Hasbro may profit from it, but the movie itself will be a box office failure or barely profit.

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Comment by -Kanrabat-
May 12, 2023
Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
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Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
Comment by Rodimus Prime
May 12, 2023
Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
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TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
Comment by william-james88
May 12, 2023
Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
May 12, 2023
Seriously? Didn't it make close to a billion? The production costs couldn't be that high.william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.