Transformers 2 to Start Filming in June '08 If Strike Delays Are Minimal

Beat me by a minute Skowl!

I dont think this strike will be resolved quickly, guess that means more time for pre-production and designing of the new characters...

I can't see this strike delaying anything. The Daily Show and a few others went right to reruns, but once advertising revenue starts to drop one side will give.

I know there's rumors of this spreading to BroadWay, but I was listeng to the weather report on the radio, right after I heard that, I heard commercials for like ten new productions, so...

OK!

it's plain and simple and it
isn't like rocket science
get the voice cast with a few or more new
members added to the cast
Get the live action cast not tooo many new faces
in that department because i don't to see
tf 2 with more new people than new transformers

and tell petter cullen to give recommendation to
micheal bay say i think prime in the last battle
in the 1st movie screwed megatron voice may i
think frank to play him

and give Gregg Berger a call saying hay gregg we've got
the dinobots in this one fancy about doing grimlock again

and lastly get me a fine ass looking jet
i think ya know whats coming that makes you
think the words holy god i wish i could fly
that sucker let it be a leader class figure class
and get jetfire in there because me want to see
a knock down drag down air fight between
starscream and jetfire

Frank as Metal Monster Megatron? You got to be kidding me.
Leave him to elderly Fred Jones.

Anyone else, was it just me or did Hugo sound like an angry Prime?

i_amtrunks wrote:Beat me by a minute Skowl!

I dont think this strike will be resolved quickly, guess that means more time for pre-production and designing of the new characters...

i doubt it will last long. The tv stations, and movie makers are loosing millions everyday. They'll havta give the writers what they want. Mayby not exactly but a close enough one that tf2 can come out when expected.

What is it these days? Cant people just get on with it? Freaking strikes everywhere. Just get on with your freaking jobs and if it doesn't pay enough then find a different job! I hate strikes.

Anyway...im looking forward to the day we start to see leaked concept art for the new characters.

Sonray wrote:What is it these days? Cant people just get on with it? Freaking strikes everywhere. Just get on with your freaking jobs and if it doesn't pay enough then find a different job! I hate strikes.

Anyway...im looking forward to the day we start to see leaked concept art for the new characters.

well in this case i understand it....i mean they get squat from dvd releases and considering that they're the reason those shows exist.....they do deserve something....i mean if music artists are allowed to get paid for having their music used on tv-on-dvd releases even though they never ask for money for the reruns on tv......writers for sure deserve some too.

Bouncy X wrote:

Sonray wrote:What is it these days? Cant people just get on with it? Freaking strikes everywhere. Just get on with your freaking jobs and if it doesn't pay enough then find a different job! I hate strikes.

Anyway...im looking forward to the day we start to see leaked concept art for the new characters.

well in this case i understand it....i mean they get squat from dvd releases and considering that they're the reason those shows exist.....they do deserve something....i mean if music artists are allowed to get paid for having their music used on tv-on-dvd releases even though they never ask for money for the reruns on tv......writers for sure deserve some too.

yeah my english calss was talking about the strike and he said that for every DVD they sell the writers get 4 cents kinda sucky pay if you ask me

Actually it's not so much about dvd sales, it's more about the revenue generated from shows that are streamed over the internet after they've gone to air.

The writers currently receive no share of that money.

Dont the writers get paid a lump sum to do the job in the first place? If thats a decent amount whats wrong with settling for that? It has to be more than what any of us make.

Seriously...they sit on their ass and type at a computer....its not like its super hard labor or something.

Some may get paid a lump sum but most would opt for a % of the revenue generated.

If you were hired to write a script for a movie that may or may not be a financial success, would you opt to be paid $5000 or a % of the revenue generated?

I'm sure you'd be kicking yourself if you opted for $5000 and the movie raked in $800 million ...

And contrary to what you obviously believe, it's not a case of just sitting on their arses and typing. There's research, meetings, writers block and who knows what else to deal with. And really, "hard work" does not necessarily involve physical labour. Writing is a mental thing and mental labour can be pretty bloody strenuous. Trust me, I work with numbers all day long "sitting on my arse and typing at a computer" and I still go home at the end of the day pretty bloody knackered.

sounds good?

"megabudget"...got that damn right. lol

Excellent news.

Burn wrote:Some may get paid a lump sum but most would opt for a % of the revenue generated.

If you were hired to write a script for a movie that may or may not be a financial success, would you opt to be paid $5000 or a % of the revenue generated?

I'm sure you'd be kicking yourself if you opted for $5000 and the movie raked in $800 million ...

And contrary to what you obviously believe, it's not a case of just sitting on their arses and typing. There's research, meetings, writers block and who knows what else to deal with. And really, "hard work" does not necessarily involve physical labour. Writing is a mental thing and mental labour can be pretty bloody strenuous. Trust me, I work with numbers all day long "sitting on my arse and typing at a computer" and I still go home at the end of the day pretty bloody knackered.

I have no sympathy for people who go home knackered even though all they have done all day is sit and type. My wife used to do that, but she is a different situation because she was mentally ill at the time and shouldnt have even been working.

Try working your guts out as a builder in the searing heat all day, lifting boulders and building houses with your bare hands just to scrape together enough to put food on your table, then get back to me about hard work.

Sonray wrote:

Burn wrote:Some may get paid a lump sum but most would opt for a % of the revenue generated.

If you were hired to write a script for a movie that may or may not be a financial success, would you opt to be paid $5000 or a % of the revenue generated?

I'm sure you'd be kicking yourself if you opted for $5000 and the movie raked in $800 million ...

And contrary to what you obviously believe, it's not a case of just sitting on their arses and typing. There's research, meetings, writers block and who knows what else to deal with. And really, "hard work" does not necessarily involve physical labour. Writing is a mental thing and mental labour can be pretty bloody strenuous. Trust me, I work with numbers all day long "sitting on my arse and typing at a computer" and I still go home at the end of the day pretty bloody knackered.

I have no sympathy for people who go home knackered even though all they have done all day is sit and type. My wife used to do that, but she is a different situation because she was mentally ill at the time and shouldnt have even been working.

Try working your guts out as a builder in the searing heat all day, lifting boulders and building houses with your bare hands just to scrape together enough to put food on your table, then get back to me about hard work.

Ok, here's the problem I have with that.

Just because writing is not physically draining, doesn't mean it's not hard work.

I have been writing for years, everything from essays to short stories (which will officially be published in a few months! yay!), and I can tell you, sitting in front of a screen and trying to create a story from scratch can be just as exhausting (my masters thesis in Canadian Literature will prove that once I start writing it in a few years).

In fact, scientific studies have shown that the mental exhaustion after a day of intellectual work is about equal to the physical exhaustion after a day of physical work.

I agree with this writer's strike 100%. These people create the foundation on which just about every tv show ad movie is built. It's like writing a novel and having your royalty checks go to other people. It's not right. Hollywood has taken advantage of the writer's guild, and it's time they realised that these professionals can't be bossed around.

People who say "you should just suck it up, and if you don't like it get another job" obviously have no idea how unions actually work, or why they exist in the first place.

Believe me, all I do is sit and type all day, and I come home knackered too. No, I don't build buildings for a living, but I do a job that is exhausting in a whole different kind of way. Try telling to some of the world's most famous writers, who spend years writing and researching books, that all they do is "sit and type all day".

No, I couldn't build a building if you asked me to. But then again, you probably couldn't write something nearly as good as Marquez's One Hundred Years of Solitude or Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath.

Try doing some hard physical labor yourself, then tell me writing is more stressful.

How about you dig a hole out of solid rock, move boulders with your bare hands and carve out a beautiful swimming pool with no help or machinery at all. All whilst the sun is beating down on your back all day at 45+ degrees celcius. And then at the end you get screwed over with the paycheck and theres nothing you can do about it.

Yeah...thats SO MUCH easier than writing.

Dont bother to question me on this, as im talking from experience, from both ends of the argument.

Its Hollywood, these writers have plenty of money, they are rich Americans living in LA, of course i have no sympathy for these rich, new-car driving writers who sit in their cosey air-conditioned, luxury rooms all day tapping on a keyboard. Now if they was living out on the streets and had literally nothing then maybe id feel different about this.

But as it is, its just a case of greed and laziness.

Sonray wrote:Try doing some hard physical labor yourself, then tell me writing is more stressful.

Yes, I've done physical labour. Yes, it's tough. But so is writing. Physical labour might be more difficult, but don't say that writing is not 'labour', or exhausting in any way.

Sonray wrote:How about you dig a hole out of solid rock, move boulders with your bare hands and carve out a beautiful swimming pool with no help or machinery at all. All whilst the sun is beating down on your back all day at 45+ degrees celcius. And then at the end you get screwed over with the paycheck and theres nothing you can do about it.

Nothing you can do about it? Maybe you should think about joining a union... they'll protect you from stuff like that...

Oh wait...

Sonray wrote:Just get on with your freaking jobs and if it doesn't pay enough then find a different job! I hate strikes.

Skowl wrote:

Sonray wrote:Try doing some hard physical labor yourself, then tell me writing is more stressful.

Yes, I've done physical labour. Yes, it's tough. But so is writing. Physical labour might be more difficult, but don't say that writing is not 'labour', or exhausting in any way.

How about you dig a hole out of solid rock, move boulders with your bare hands and carve out a beautiful swimming pool with no help or machinery at all. All whilst the sun is beating down on your back all day at 45+ degrees celcius. And then at the end you get screwed over with the paycheck and theres nothing you can do about it.

Nothing you can do about it? Maybe you should think about joining a union... they'll protect you from stuff like that...

Oh wait...

Sonray wrote:Just get on with your freaking jobs and if it doesn't pay enough then find a different job! I hate strikes.

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Not everyone lives in a "perfect" union filled world, where their jobs are safe or have a back up plan. Some people actually have to work for themselves, and fend for themselves. Ever heard of self employment? And yeah, it would be kinda hard when you are trying to scrape together a living in a foreign country, where practically no one knows you even exist.

Jesus dude...have you ever been outside that little box you seem to be living in?

I've done physical labor and I've done jobs where it's mostly mental. Both could be draining.

These writers deserve the right to strike just as much as garbage collectors do when they strike. The work these writers do goes on to make a lot of people a lot of money. Over the past 10 years or so, that work has made even more people more money AND doubled as advertising in some cases. They asked for more money, were told to STFU, and their union voted to strike on it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Sonray, no one is saying your job is easy. They're saying that both mental and physical labor can be hard. Just because one thing maybe be harder than the other doesn't mean the other is easy. If you think writing is easy and it pays better, than why wouldn't you just become a writer? Why in the world would someone take a hard job and just barely scrape by when they could take an easy job and live the good life? If only things were that simple, no?

Devastator wrote:Sonray, no one is saying your job is easy. They're saying that both mental and physical labor can be hard. Just because one thing maybe be harder than the other doesn't mean the other is easy. If you think writing is easy and it pays better, than why wouldn't you just become a writer? Why in the world would someone take a hard job and just barely scrape by when they could take an easy job and live the good life? If only things were that simple, no?

If only, the world would be a better place.

I just dont believe (while i know it can be hard) that simply sitting down and typing at a computer can even compare to breaking your back, ripping your muscles and griding your bones-physical labor. I have tried writing, and i sucked at it, but it wasn't nearly as hard. Like i didn't go home sweating and smelling like a pig and covered in all manner of dirt with blood and scratches all over my body. (nothing serious but accidents always happen in such an environment)

And this was from years ago btw, it wasn't my job and isn't my job, i never claimed it to be, BUT my dad was a builder in Spain and i often went to work with him and helped, and whilst i barely took the strain off of him i knew how hard it was, specially at the ripe old age of 10. Just watching what he had to do was exhausting sometimes.

Sonray, by your own logic, these nine-to-fivers are doing work that a monkey could do. They are lucky to not have their jobs shipped out to China or automated entirely. They should be happy just having a job in today's modern world.

Work is work. Sometimes it's physically draining; sometimes it's mentally draining. The difference is that when something is physically draining, you can go home, shower it off, and pass out. When something is mentally draining it stays with you after you "clock out." It can make it very difficult to sleep. That's what happens with jobs that have some consequence to them. It's something that a person doomed to physical labor will never understand. Look at the consequences of failure. So you dropped a bag of cement. That sucks. Pick it up and keep carrying it. Turn in a terrible movie script and you'll have millions of people, many of whom will never even meet you, cursing your name for years.

I think there's a song written about this somewhere. Money for Nothin', I believe.

Professor Smooth wrote:Sonray, by your own logic, these nine-to-fivers are doing work that a monkey could do. They are lucky to not have their jobs shipped out to China or automated entirely. They should be happy just having a job in today's modern world.

Work is work. Sometimes it's physically draining; sometimes it's mentally draining. The difference is that when something is physically draining, you can go home, shower it off, and pass out. When something is mentally draining it stays with you after you "clock out." It can make it very difficult to sleep. That's what happens with jobs that have some consequence to them. It's something that a person doomed to physical labor will never understand. Look at the consequences of failure. So you dropped a bag of cement. That sucks. Pick it up and keep carrying it. Turn in a terrible movie script and you'll have millions of people, many of whom will never even meet you, cursing your name for years.

I think there's a song written about this somewhere. Money for Nothin', I believe.

meh, i dont see it that way but whatever.

Sonray wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:Sonray, by your own logic, these nine-to-fivers are doing work that a monkey could do. They are lucky to not have their jobs shipped out to China or automated entirely. They should be happy just having a job in today's modern world.

Work is work. Sometimes it's physically draining; sometimes it's mentally draining. The difference is that when something is physically draining, you can go home, shower it off, and pass out. When something is mentally draining it stays with you after you "clock out." It can make it very difficult to sleep. That's what happens with jobs that have some consequence to them. It's something that a person doomed to physical labor will never understand. Look at the consequences of failure. So you dropped a bag of cement. That sucks. Pick it up and keep carrying it. Turn in a terrible movie script and you'll have millions of people, many of whom will never even meet you, cursing your name for years.

I think there's a song written about this somewhere. Money for Nothin', I believe.

meh, i dont see it that way but whatever.

Hay all i am back and i just gotta say classic sonray response, or in other words i find his point rather shallow, in that although it has personnal merit it fails to take in any other external input at all.

I gotta say that mental beats phsyical hands down, try teaching in a prison all day and then going home and trying to forget about it-if ur job is mental it taxes u 24/7

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:Sonray, by your own logic, these nine-to-fivers are doing work that a monkey could do. They are lucky to not have their jobs shipped out to China or automated entirely. They should be happy just having a job in today's modern world.

Work is work. Sometimes it's physically draining; sometimes it's mentally draining. The difference is that when something is physically draining, you can go home, shower it off, and pass out. When something is mentally draining it stays with you after you "clock out." It can make it very difficult to sleep. That's what happens with jobs that have some consequence to them. It's something that a person doomed to physical labor will never understand. Look at the consequences of failure. So you dropped a bag of cement. That sucks. Pick it up and keep carrying it. Turn in a terrible movie script and you'll have millions of people, many of whom will never even meet you, cursing your name for years.

I think there's a song written about this somewhere. Money for Nothin', I believe.

meh, i dont see it that way but whatever.

Hay all i am back and i just gotta say classic sonray response, or in other words i find his point rather shallow, in that although it has personnal merit it fails to take in any other external input at all.

I gotta say that mental beats phsyical hands down, try teaching in a prison all day and then going home and trying to forget about it-if ur job is mental it taxes u 24/7

What do you mean by has no external input? If you mean others who agree then of course its not gonna have that, because very few people have led a similar kind of life i have, but i KNOW how hard life really is. I only speak from personal experience, and what my life has made me into.

Just FYI though, there are some that agree with me som im not alone.

Sonray wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:Sonray, by your own logic, these nine-to-fivers are doing work that a monkey could do. They are lucky to not have their jobs shipped out to China or automated entirely. They should be happy just having a job in today's modern world.

Work is work. Sometimes it's physically draining; sometimes it's mentally draining. The difference is that when something is physically draining, you can go home, shower it off, and pass out. When something is mentally draining it stays with you after you "clock out." It can make it very difficult to sleep. That's what happens with jobs that have some consequence to them. It's something that a person doomed to physical labor will never understand. Look at the consequences of failure. So you dropped a bag of cement. That sucks. Pick it up and keep carrying it. Turn in a terrible movie script and you'll have millions of people, many of whom will never even meet you, cursing your name for years.

I think there's a song written about this somewhere. Money for Nothin', I believe.

meh, i dont see it that way but whatever.

Hay all i am back and i just gotta say classic sonray response, or in other words i find his point rather shallow, in that although it has personnal merit it fails to take in any other external input at all.

I gotta say that mental beats phsyical hands down, try teaching in a prison all day and then going home and trying to forget about it-if ur job is mental it taxes u 24/7

What do you mean by has no external input? If you mean others who agree then of course its not gonna have that, because very few people have led a similar kind of life i have, but i KNOW how hard life really is. I only speak from personal experience, and what my life has made me into.

Just FYI though, there are some that agree with me som im not alone.

What i kinda ment by external input, or lack of is that u dont tailor ur point, or rethink it after listening to the discussion (or so it appears)-essentially making the act of discussion moot.

You mean change my opinion? Why on earth would someone do that? Its my opinion, and if i think the strike is retarded then my opinion obviously isnt going to change due to my very opinionated nature. No one has said anything so far that has made enough sense to change my opinion on the matter, no offense to anyone.

Im stubborn, and set in my ways so i wont change, and this is my stance on the situation and im sticking to my guns. (unlike some pople who flip-flop on everything, i dont do that) IMO, its a sign of a strong character.

Changing your mind after learning new facts is not flip flopping.

Professor Smooth wrote:Changing your mind after learning new facts is not flip flopping.

True but i havnt learnt any new facts, i still dont consider writing harder than hard physical labor.

Professor Smooth wrote:Changing your mind after learning new facts is not flip flopping.

Actually i think being big enough to accept others opinions is a pretty great sign of character.

Plus if there is no chance of change why discuss? U may as well build a spambtot to post for ya!

GrimSqueaker wrote:Actually i think being big enough to accept others opinions is a pretty great sign of character.

Yes it is.

Unfortunately this forum seems to be lacking characters.

Burn wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Actually i think being big enough to accept others opinions is a pretty great sign of character.

Yes it is.

Unfortunately this forum seems to be lacking characters.

Maybe i could draw a few new ones?

GrimSqueaker wrote:

Burn wrote:

GrimSqueaker wrote:Actually i think being big enough to accept others opinions is a pretty great sign of character.

Yes it is.

Unfortunately this forum seems to be lacking characters.

Maybe i could draw a few new ones?

Nah please dont.

And why is everyone so adamant to change everyone? isn't that a bit....a dunno...a sign of a control freak? You cant change people, especially when they are stubborn assholes like me.

Sorry about bringing up something that has supposedly down but I just had to point this out.

I just dont believe (while i know it can be hard) that simply sitting down and typing at a computer can even compare to breaking your back, ripping your muscles and griding your bones-physical labor. I have tried writing, and i sucked at it, but it wasn't nearly as hard. Like i didn't go home sweating and smelling like a pig and covered in all manner of dirt with blood and scratches all over my body. (nothing serious but accidents always happen in such an environment)

Well, do you think anybody is going to pay you for what you wrote? Writing isn't the same as just writing. Nobody is going to pay a writer that sucks.

thats a fair point Iodel, and in response to Sonray i dont think people are trying to change u as a person.....just open ur eyes to an alternate opinions here and there.

ANd like i said unless u are at least open to the possibility of someone else making a good point and are willing to take in all sides of a discussion, doing any of this becomes nothing more than a ranting ego massage

lodelco wrote:Sorry about bringing up something that has supposedly down but I just had to point this out.

I just dont believe (while i know it can be hard) that simply sitting down and typing at a computer can even compare to breaking your back, ripping your muscles and griding your bones-physical labor. I have tried writing, and i sucked at it, but it wasn't nearly as hard. Like i didn't go home sweating and smelling like a pig and covered in all manner of dirt with blood and scratches all over my body. (nothing serious but accidents always happen in such an environment)

Well, do you think anybody is going to pay you for what you wrote? Writing isn't the same as just writing. Nobody is going to pay a writer that sucks.

No, but i never expected anyone to pay for it. It was just some stupid little story i wrote up when i was a kid as i was bored at the time.

And do you think i am a complete moron or something? Please dont insult my intelligence like that again, i know someone isnt going to pay a writer that sucks or has no talent, writers like that dont get the opportunity to be paid for what they produce anyway. (although judging by some Hollywood scripts this isnt entirely true but i digress)

GrimSqueaker wrote:thats a fair point Iodel, and in response to Sonray i dont think people are trying to change u as a person.....just open ur eyes to an alternate opinions here and there.

ANd like i said unless u are at least open to the possibility of someone else making a good point and are willing to take in all sides of a discussion, doing any of this becomes nothing more than a ranting ego massage

No, what people want me to do is accept that writing can be harder the physical labor, which IN MY OPINION it doesn't even come close.

To be honest, at this point i simply don't care anymore. I think its hypocritical to say that im not willing to accept "alternate opinions" but neither is anyone else on here willing to accept the possibility that slogging your guts out and wearing your fingers down to the bone (quite literally sometimes) is harder then sitting down in an air conditioned room typing up a story on a computer.

Thats a double standard, and you are just being hypocritical at this point so don't lecture me about accepting alternate opinions or "opening my eyes" until you are all willing to do so yourselves.

Thats all im saying on the matter from now on since this "ranting ego massage" (which i find rich coming from you Grim) is obviously not going to have any sort of conclusion, unless of course people just all bite their tongues and shut up about it like im going to do.

I could be wrong but i am pretty sure several people have said that indeed yes working hard physically does indeed suck-people are willing to accept that.....

...although from the sounds of it u seem to have no actual experience of hard mental labor so perhaps u need to give those who have genuinely and professionally experienced both the benefit of the doubt.

I dont think i have actually given my opinion yet on the actual matter. And though i have done many sucky jobs i havent done any more physical than stock room management. But i will say that i dont see how a job no mater how physically draining can ever compare to one that is mentally taxing, that u cant leave behind adn keeps u up at night.
As some of you might know i have recently finished working in a childrens prison, it was one of the most frightening and rewarding experiences of my life. What i learned from those children and what i read in their files will give me many sleepless nights to come i assure u-give me backbreaking labor any day, at least bruises heal.

I think this depends greatly on your definition of "harder".

Physical work is grueling, to be sure. I've never done "hard" labor, but I've done physical "grunt" work before. It's tiring, sometimes painful, and often thankless work.

But writing (and creative work in general) is not "easy". The physical act of pen on paper or fingers on keyboard may be easy, but the mental/emotional effort is not.

I've been involving in various projects of singing, writing, and drawing in my lifetime. If you want to be good it takes a lot of practice, study, and mental discipline. Furthermore, good creative art requires pouring your emotion and passion into your work, which *can* be very draining.

I've had concerts where all I did was stand and sing for a couple hours, and I'd still be as drained as if I'd just spent a shift cleaning or doing the stock work. The mind is not separate from the body; when you put your soul into your creative work, it can *definitely* make your body feel tired, too.

And writing, at least, can be rather thankless work, at least on TV and movies. I mean, think about it. Directors, actors, and producers are usually big names... but when's the last time you heard of a well-known screenwriter who didn't also fill one of those better-known hats?

In the end, I think comparing physical labor to creative work is pretty much comparing apples and oranges. Neither is "easy" at all... they both require their own set of skills and tax aspects of the body and soul, and they're both crucial for different reasons.

From personal experience, my brother is a very educated man who works alot as a landscaper. In the summer, he works with his hands, does heavy lifting, builds and fixes stuff and generally does all the hard physical labour you would expect from a landscaper.

Now, he's doing research and starting to write a book for a research institution for our local university.

And I've never seen him more tired, exhausted and generally worn-out. He is forced to work mornings, afternoons, evenings and weekends just to meet deadlines, and has to spent a large amount of time in either dusty old archives or in a tiny little office with nothing but a lamp and a laptop. He is a very good writer, but it takes much more out of him than heavy lifting ever could.

He has honestly told me he prefers the physical labour.

Take from that what you will.