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Transformers 3 - 2-D not 3-D!

Posted by Blurrz Mar 23, 2010 at 9:52pm CDT 34,908 views
A few months ago we had a report stating that Transformers 3 might just possibly be filmed in 3-D. However, Deadline.com gives us a couple reasons as to why this might not be happening, including statements from Michael Bay! Check out a snippet of the article below...

Not every filmmaker is as high on the conversion process as studios like Warner Bros seem to be.

“I shoot complicated stuff, I put real elements into action scenes and honestly, I am not sold right now on the conversion process,” says Michael Bay. Paramount and DreamWorks are pressuring him to allow Transformers 3 to be dimensional-ized after the fact, because there simply isn’t enough time to shoot with 3D camera and post the film between now and its July 1, 2011 release date. Cameron took his time on Avatar, and will do the same with the elaborate Fantastic Voyage remake he’s producing for Fox. His longtime 3D documentary collaborator, Andrew Wight, did the same when he produced the underwater thriller Sanctum. Conversions, on the other hand, are rush jobs done right before release dates.

Bay investigated shooting at least some Transformers 3 footage with 3D cameras, but found them too heavy and cumbersome for the fast pace action scenes he shoots. Bay feels the process of sending out 2D film for 3D conversion is more problematic and pricey than studios are admitting. Too often, companies selling 3D retrofitting services arrive with a sharp demo reel, but leave with a deer-in-the-headlights look when Bay gives them his own footage to convert, on a tight deadline.

“I am trying to be sold, and some companies are still working on the shots I gave them,” Bay said. “Right now, it looks like fake 3D, with layers that are very apparent. You go to the screening room, you are hoping to be thrilled, and you’re thinking, huh, this kind of sucks. People can say whatever they want about my movies, but they are technically precise, and if this isn’t going to be excellent, I don’t want to do it. And it is my choice.”

Bay uses the same top-shelf crews and visual effects teams on all his films, and he bolstered the quality of his Transformers 3 cast with Frances McDormand and John Malkovich. He objects to the idea of handing over his finished film to an unproven process--and people who haven't had time to develop a level of trust with him--with a release date bearing down on him.

Said Bay: “I’m used to having the A-team working on my films, and I’m going to hand it over to the D-team, have it shipped to India and hope for the best? This conversion process is always going to be inferior to shooting in real 3D. Studios might be willing to sacrifice the look and use the gimmick to make $3 more a ticket, but I’m not. Avatar took four years. You can’t just shit out a 3D movie. I’m saying, the jury is still out.”

Bay also disputes the $100,000 per minute conversation cost estimate. Try between $120,000 to $150,000 per minute, he said, with a top-shelf conversion of Transformers 3 costing $30 million.

In the end, Bay might have little choice but take the plunge if the film is to generate the highest possible global gross against competition like Pirates of the Caribbean, which is likely to go 3D. Fox is having the same discussions right now on The Voyage of the Dawn Treader and Gulliver’s Travels, and Warner Bros and New Line will start the debate on The Hobbit as soon as Guillermo del Toro, Peter Jackson and their co-writers turn in the script for the second installment within a month.


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Comment by Mkall Mar 23, 2010
One word.

GOOD
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Comment by Supreme Convoy Mar 23, 2010
Oh, that's a shame. :(

I was honestly looking forward to a 3D Transformers experience. Though Bay brings up a good point, if they're shooting soon then they probably won't have enough time to make the CGI and the 3D look right.

If I want my 3D Transformers kick, I'll have to wait for the Universal Studios ride.
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Comment by Solrac333 Mar 23, 2010
GOOOOOOOOD!
:APPLAUSE:
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Comment by Blackstreak Mar 23, 2010
If any of the movies listed is released in 3D I sure won't be seeing them. No reason to be putting out sequels in 3D when the prequels are in 2D. It's bad enough the movies cost $9.25 or near $10 a ticket here in Cincinnati, OH. Tack another $3 to that and I definitely won't be going. At current prices the movie will have to be one that I absolutely must see asap.
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Comment by Scatterlung Mar 23, 2010
I don't like Bay's films much... but you can't fault his attitude. If its going to be done, it best be done right. Good on him for making the choice so intelligently.
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Comment by Schlitzy Mar 24, 2010
please, no 3D!!
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Comment by Alex Jones Mar 24, 2010
I am not sold on 3-D myself. Avatar, in my opinion, was really style over substance. And I don't want to get into the debate about Avatar but I do think it was overly hyped. If you watch the movie in 2-D you'll see it for what it is - Pochantas in Space. What I also find very odd was that the 3-D has been around for a long time and all of a sudden it is trendy gimmick. IIRC, the technology that the Avatar filmmakers were trying to promote was the emotion capture stuff.
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Comment by Lastjustice Mar 24, 2010
I respect Mr Bay's decision for not going on the bandwagon. Unless they decided they wanted to postpone the release of the third movie I'd rather they left it out. Lets have him focus on simply making a great film than try gimmick people into the seats.
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Comment by alldarker Mar 24, 2010
As has been said before, 3D is a hype, and I seriously respect Michael Bay for not taking the easy road.
I haven't seen Avatar and aren't planning to do so either, either in 2D or 3D, but I've seen plenty of other 3D movies which definitely put style over content (and I use the word 'style' very loosely: gimmick is probably the better suited word).
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Comment by Chaoslock Mar 24, 2010
I'm not really sold with todays "3D" movies, either. Avatar was good, but it was good because of the overall experience of the movie - and they just couldn't leave the too close footages out of it. Alice I saw in iMax, and while it had good parts -the card soldiers and the cat looked awesome in 3D- I sometimes saw second contour lines through the 3D glasses. Final Destination looked aweful, I think it was just what Bay calls "fake-3D".
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Comment by Swiftknife24 Mar 24, 2010
YES!!! Best news I've heard in weeks! :KREMZEEK:

Thank you Mr. Bay! Fight the oppression! :APPLAUSE:

Lousy_Autobot_Lover wrote:I am not sold on 3-D myself. Avatar, in my opinion, was really style over substance. And I don't want to get into the debate about Avatar but I do think it was overly hyped. If you watch the movie in 2-D you'll see it for what it is - Pochantas in Space. What I also find very odd was that the 3-D has been around for a long time and all of a sudden it is trendy gimmick. IIRC, the technology that the Avatar filmmakers were trying to promote was the emotion capture stuff.


Agreed! Even motion capture has been around for donkeys years. I felt ripped off with Avatar...and I saw that it was a behind-numbing Pochahantas even in 3-D!

Anyway, yeah, cannot wait for Transformers #3, now! :grin:
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Comment by vectorA3 Mar 24, 2010
without kissing his a*&, I agree with Bay. They're already fighting the clock as it is. Wouldn't look good at all if it were rushed 3D. Good choice to keep it 2D. I'll take that over gimmicky, bad 3D any day.
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Comment by Dragonslayer Mar 24, 2010
Thank the Lord!! Last thing I want is to have my favorite robots popping out of the screen and giving me a headache.
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Comment by Prime Riblet Mar 25, 2010
I agree with Bay's decision completely. I could care less about 3-D effects. They aren't really that awesome IMO. I have been a non-fan of 3-D since Jaws 3-D. Wow, that was terrible.
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Comment by SlyTF1 Mar 25, 2010
Lousy_Autobot_Lover wrote:I am not sold on 3-D myself. Avatar, in my opinion, was really style over substance. And I don't want to get into the debate about Avatar but I do think it was overly hyped. If you watch the movie in 2-D you'll see it for what it is - Pochantas in Space. What I also find very odd was that the 3-D has been around for a long time and all of a sudden it is trendy gimmick. IIRC, the technology that the Avatar filmmakers were trying to promote was the emotion capture stuff.


Exactly! When I first saw it in theaters I was like, "Holy crap! This is almost as AWSUM as ROTF", then I saw it in 2-D and I was like "WTF is this shit!?". Same when I was 8 and saw the Spy Kids 3 movie (The first 3-D movie I know of) then I watch it in 2-D and Im like "What a load of ass!". I would like to see a 3-D TF movie, oh well, Ill just bring my glasses to the theater that makes everything 3-D (Not joking, I actually do have some like that) but I see where Michael Bay is coming from $1000 per minute, I wouldnt do that either, and the fact that they are heavy and he cant do all of those awesome fast clips like the ROTF Shangi scene.
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Comment by ang3l3s Mar 26, 2010
As jazz would say "do it in style or don't do it at all" so if bay believes that the 3d will muck up his style quality than the hand s says no, his movie...he know what he wants.
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Comment by Joshua Vallse Mar 27, 2010
I think ultimately the studio will have the last say.

If this third film ends up being like the last, just special effects and eye candy, then I think they'll go 3D just so they can sell the gimmick. Just how marketing people are. As far a ruining the complication of his movie style, I really don't see that happening.

All the 3-Dimensional films I been to, it only enhances a film. Even Beowulf was watchable as a 3D film, that was the films gimmick. I saw it again on DVD, and it was just sad. Also the ROTF DVD release is already sporting a 3D gimmick in itself being that online live webcam game. So, sadly, I would say I'd be more interested in seeing this third film as a 3D themepark ride (Ala Terminator 3-D or Shrek 4-D) then sit down and expect a film of some type.

Also, alot of money was already blindly thrown at ROTF in ticket sales in which the studio would be able to justify the cost expenses of 3-D conversion. And finally, for Bays ranting about people in India and doing this film to give people jobs, it would actually supply more jobs for people here in Hollywood as well. I have a friend who works on 3-D film conversion...here...in LA.....not India.

So, I say bring on the third dimension. If anything, do it for the kids. :roll:
Laters,
Josh
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Comment by Lastjustice Mar 28, 2010
Joshua Vallse wrote:I think ultimately the studio will have the last say.


I agree they do, but Bay is currently their golden boy, they probably won't want to mess with him atm. Michael Bay like Menasor, you point him in the direction you want him to go, and get the heck out of the way hehe. Then watch the destruction from a safe distance. Telling him what to do likely is a futile process.
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Comment by gigazarak Mar 29, 2010
Doesn't it mean that conversion to 3D, or even shooting it in 3D in the first place, makes the movie cost more to make, so more people need to see the movie for it to make it's money back?
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Comment by vectorA3 Mar 29, 2010
no 3D. There's no time. We're almost 15 months out. It'll go by in a heartbeat
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