You will be Able to Add a (smaller non transforming) G1 Prototype Unicron Toy to Your Collection
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Posted 3 days agoPosted by chuckdawg1999 on September 7th, 2022 @ 10:55pm CDT
Posted by joevill on September 8th, 2022 @ 12:13am CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 8th, 2022 @ 12:15am CDT
I mean, who/what is he going to shoot with that thing? Tornadron? (If it's an energy-draining de-kineto blaster) Eternity? The Living Planet? Those assume TF Marvel Continuity never totally splintered off from the Marvel Universe...
...Oh right, continuity splinters! After his third attack on Cybertron in Aspects of Evil Part 5, he came back in an even smaller body to go on a shooting spree right after Peace, reuniting the warring Autobots against a common enemy, then realized Peace was just the future of Earth Force continuity and fled to Japan, where he hid inside that Beast Wars Neo toy, trapped temporarily when it was cancelled...
...but only until an all new TF comic universe came into existence for him to devour, so he came back in an even smaller form...
...Pat Lee. And this absurd ReAction figure tells the whole story, better than any "Ultimate". Well done, Super 7.
Not that I'm knocking the gun, per se. It makes more sense than that one Frieza toy that came with a machine gun.
Am I the only one who always thought The Revenge looked like it had previously doubled as Unicron's handgun, even before the combining rail gun gimmick with Kingdom Galvatron?
Okay, I'll get off this...
Dang, each new ReAction wave has even more figures I'm going to have to make exceptions for. And if I end up going back to complete earlier waves on the secondary market, ugh...
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 8th, 2022 @ 12:20am CDT
Especially interesting considering the rest are based on animation models, but I guess they wanted to put the old concept out since there's already an official Unicron figure with a 'toon accurate look!
Posted by cloudballoon on September 8th, 2022 @ 1:16am CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:An interesting deep cut of a decision, and honestly I'm all for it.
An interesting, deep fans-service of a decision.
Posted by SpaceEagle on September 8th, 2022 @ 1:17am CDT
cloudballoon wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:An interesting deep cut of a decision, and honestly I'm all for it.
An interesting, deep fans-service of a decision.
You said it better than me!
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 8th, 2022 @ 1:57am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 8th, 2022 @ 4:29am CDT
Oh you son of a bitch, I'm in!
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 8th, 2022 @ 7:58am CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:This is incredible but I have to admit it does feel a little off this Unicron is being done by a company that's not Hasbro.
Indeed. Still hold out the faintest hope, this Unicron will see a "release" in the G1 Reissue line, some day.
Posted by Emerje on September 8th, 2022 @ 8:33am CDT
Emerje
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 8th, 2022 @ 9:00am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote: and almost 20$US each.
never mind then....
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 8th, 2022 @ 9:04am CDT
Posted by Emerje on September 8th, 2022 @ 9:22am CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:wait-WHY ISN'T JETFIRE A 6 INCH?
Because then he'd be the same size as Devastator and Unicron. They only reserve the 6" for the really giant characters.
Emerje
Posted by noctorro on September 8th, 2022 @ 9:59am CDT
Big Unicron out and about! Great Super7 (not my fav company) is doing this, hope it does well and Hasbro takes a hint.
Just Haslab the original Unicron and I think plenty of us old folk will support and buy it. This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller? If they can get big boy to be under 200 euro's it's a no brainer for me.
I will get this, it needs to happen!
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on September 8th, 2022 @ 10:53am CDT
noctorro wrote: This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller?
Uh… he’s 6 inches tall.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 8th, 2022 @ 2:28pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:noctorro wrote: This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller?
Uh… he’s 6 inches tall.
The full quote:
noctorro wrote:Just Haslab the original Unicron and I think plenty of us old folk will support and buy it. This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller? If they can get big boy to be under 200 euro's it's a no brainer for me.
Was referring to this guy:
Not the Super7 figure.
As far as we're aware of his intended size:
TFWiki wrote:Though the prototype had the tallest robot mode at the time of its planned release, it was ultimately shorter than Fortress Maximus.
Personally, I don't think there is a need for HasLab-Greed.
Remaking this mold wouldn't exactly cost the Earth today. As mentioned earlier, he could easily be sold under the reissue banner in G1 packaging. For potentially the price of a Devastator boxset. As he should have been all those years ago.
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on September 8th, 2022 @ 2:29pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Decepticon Stryker wrote:noctorro wrote: This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller?
Uh… he’s 6 inches tall.
The full quote:noctorro wrote:Just Haslab the original Unicron and I think plenty of us old folk will support and buy it. This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller? If they can get big boy to be under 200 euro's it's a no brainer for me.
Was referring to this guy:
Not the Super7 figure.
As far as we're aware of his intended size:TFWiki wrote:Though the prototype had the tallest robot mode at the time of its planned release, it was ultimately shorter than Fortress Maximus.
Personally, I don't think there is a need for HasLab-Greed.
Remaking this mold wouldn't exactly cost the Earth today. As mentioned earlier, he could easily be sold under the reissue banner in G1 packaging. For potentially the price of a Devastator boxset. As he should have been all those years ago.
Ah, my mistake then.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 8th, 2022 @ 3:58pm CDT
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 8th, 2022 @ 4:11pm CDT
Emerje wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:wait-WHY ISN'T JETFIRE A 6 INCH?
Because then he'd be the same size as Devastator and Unicron. They only reserve the 6" for the really giant characters.
Emerje
Are you saying devastator and unicron being the same size is good scale?
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on September 8th, 2022 @ 4:13pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Titan class is too small for unicron
and he already got the haslab, so the next unicron will probably take a while to come out officially if at all.
Posted by transformers_va on September 8th, 2022 @ 4:31pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Why? I get that it was the original prototype, but that thing is ugly as hell. Wouldn't it be better for Hasbro/Takara to focus their efforts on better toys, or improving old toys, instead?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 8th, 2022 @ 4:40pm CDT
transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Why? I get that it was the original prototype, but that thing is ugly as hell. Wouldn't it be better for Hasbro/Takara to focus their efforts on better toys, or improving old toys, instead?
Well, because it will be different from what we usually gets.
Also, many like myself LOVES the appeal of old vintage clunky things. The price and demand of old G1 Transformers and other vintage toys is proof enough.
Be honest.
Compared to let's say Leader Earthrise Optimus Prime, the original G1 Optimus Prime is a "bad toy" (ignoring the trailer, of course.), and is basically "garbage" compared to today's standards.
But people keep buying him. Over and over. Why? It's not because it's the "better" Optimus. It's nostalgia and the vintage appeal.
I bet many TF fans who were not even alive when Beast Wars came out are now adult today and spend a fortune on G1 toys. There's also a huge market for old metal vehicles from last century.
Feel free to not like the old stuff, but I know I'm not alone in wanting "new" G1 toys like the unreleased Unicron prototype. The G1 Arcee too.
Posted by transformers_va on September 8th, 2022 @ 4:49pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Why? I get that it was the original prototype, but that thing is ugly as hell. Wouldn't it be better for Hasbro/Takara to focus their efforts on better toys, or improving old toys, instead?
Well, because it will be different from what we usually gets.
Also, many like myself LOVES the appeal of old vintage clunky things. The price and demand of old G1 Transformers and other vintage toys is proof enough.
Be honest.
Compared to let's say Leader Earthrise Optimus Prime, the original G1 Optimus Prime is a "bad toy" (ignoring the trailer, of course.), and is basically "garbage" compared to today's standards.
But people keep buying him. Over and over. Why? It's not because it's the "better" Optimus. It's nostalgia and the vintage appeal.
I bet many TF fans who were not even alive when Beast Wars came out are now adult today and spend a fortune on G1 toys. There's also a huge market for old metal vehicles from last century.
Feel free to not like the old stuff, but I know I'm not alone in wanting "new" G1 toys like the unreleased Unicron prototype. The G1 Arcee too.
If they actually produced this, my bet would be it would be a shelfwarmer. It would be geared towards a minority subset of the collector community, just like the BW characters. Personally, I'm getting sick of tired of seeing 25 Scorponoks, 40 Shadow Panthers, 30 Waspinators, etc taking up the shelves in the stores, to please the few, but don’t see better characters like Legacy Cosmos, Motormaster, Blitzwing, etc. which seem to be in higher demand.
*Edit: forgot to mention the BW reissues that are littering the shelves... every character I've seen, ends up in the clearance section, because there isn't a high demand for them...
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on September 8th, 2022 @ 5:05pm CDT
I doubt he'd do well at retail, though. I mean there's a market for retro toys, but this isn't a regular sized toy; it's really large. I dunno if kids would want him today.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 8th, 2022 @ 5:09pm CDT
transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Why? I get that it was the original prototype, but that thing is ugly as hell. Wouldn't it be better for Hasbro/Takara to focus their efforts on better toys, or improving old toys, instead?
Well, because it will be different from what we usually gets.
Also, many like myself LOVES the appeal of old vintage clunky things. The price and demand of old G1 Transformers and other vintage toys is proof enough.
Be honest.
Compared to let's say Leader Earthrise Optimus Prime, the original G1 Optimus Prime is a "bad toy" (ignoring the trailer, of course.), and is basically "garbage" compared to today's standards.
But people keep buying him. Over and over. Why? It's not because it's the "better" Optimus. It's nostalgia and the vintage appeal.
I bet many TF fans who were not even alive when Beast Wars came out are now adult today and spend a fortune on G1 toys. There's also a huge market for old metal vehicles from last century.
Feel free to not like the old stuff, but I know I'm not alone in wanting "new" G1 toys like the unreleased Unicron prototype. The G1 Arcee too.
If they actually produced this, my bet would be it would be a shelfwarmer. It would be geared towards a minority subset of the collector community, just like the BW characters. Personally, I'm getting sick of tired of seeing 25 Scorponoks, 40 Shadow Panthers, 30 Waspinators, etc taking up the shelves in the stores, to please the few, but don’t see better characters like Legacy Cosmos, Motormaster, Blitzwing, etc. which seem to be in higher demand.
*Edit: forgot to mention the BW reissues that are littering the shelves... every character I've seen, ends up in the clearance section, because there isn't a high demand for them...
Well, logic would dictate that it would be produced in relatively limited quantities for online stores only. He'll also be expensive as hell.
Posted by Flashwave on September 8th, 2022 @ 6:42pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Decepticon Stryker wrote:noctorro wrote: This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller?
Uh… he’s 6 inches tall.
The full quote:noctorro wrote:Just Haslab the original Unicron and I think plenty of us old folk will support and buy it. This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller? If they can get big boy to be under 200 euro's it's a no brainer for me.
Was referring to this guy:
Not the Super7 figure.
As far as we're aware of his intended size:TFWiki wrote:Though the prototype had the tallest robot mode at the time of its planned release, it was ultimately shorter than Fortress Maximus.
Personally, I don't think there is a need for HasLab-Greed.
Remaking this mold wouldn't exactly cost the Earth today. As mentioned earlier, he could easily be sold under the reissue banner in G1 packaging. For potentially the price of a Devastator boxset. As he should have been all those years ago.
The problem is, if not HasLab, who will Hasbro sell to? Walmart and Target have said in past they are hesitant about giant toys in niche categories, and second gen nostalgia alone won’t sell Unicron like G1 Prime. Could they do this through Selects? Could they do it through Amazon/Online Retailers? I am not sure but my gut says no. HasLab let’s them control and adjust the costs to match production run size
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 8th, 2022 @ 6:58pm CDT
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Emerje wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:wait-WHY ISN'T JETFIRE A 6 INCH?
Because then he'd be the same size as Devastator and Unicron. They only reserve the 6" for the really giant characters.
Emerje
Are you saying devastator and unicron being the same size is good scale?
Scale matters not in this line of figures. Is it a really big character? he gets the 6" figure; otherwise, you are 3.75".
transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Why? I get that it was the original prototype, but that thing is ugly as hell. Wouldn't it be better for Hasbro/Takara to focus their efforts on better toys, or improving old toys, instead?
Well, because it will be different from what we usually gets.
Also, many like myself LOVES the appeal of old vintage clunky things. The price and demand of old G1 Transformers and other vintage toys is proof enough.
Be honest.
Compared to let's say Leader Earthrise Optimus Prime, the original G1 Optimus Prime is a "bad toy" (ignoring the trailer, of course.), and is basically "garbage" compared to today's standards.
But people keep buying him. Over and over. Why? It's not because it's the "better" Optimus. It's nostalgia and the vintage appeal.
I bet many TF fans who were not even alive when Beast Wars came out are now adult today and spend a fortune on G1 toys. There's also a huge market for old metal vehicles from last century.
Feel free to not like the old stuff, but I know I'm not alone in wanting "new" G1 toys like the unreleased Unicron prototype. The G1 Arcee too.
If they actually produced this, my bet would be it would be a shelfwarmer. It would be geared towards a minority subset of the collector community, just like the BW characters. Personally, I'm getting sick of tired of seeing 25 Scorponoks, 40 Shadow Panthers, 30 Waspinators, etc taking up the shelves in the stores, to please the few, but don’t see better characters like Legacy Cosmos, Motormaster, Blitzwing, etc. which seem to be in higher demand.
*Edit: forgot to mention the BW reissues that are littering the shelves... every character I've seen, ends up in the clearance section, because there isn't a high demand for them...
Saying the BW community is a minority like that is both pretty wrong and narrow based on your stores. Mine still have shelfwarming SS86 Blurrs, Kups, Sweeps, and Wreck Gars, and all the beasts are gone, including the walmart exclusive ones, so it's all about your specific location. Beast Wars is hardly G1 Unicron level of minority target audience.
Posted by Flashwave on September 8th, 2022 @ 7:01pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Decepticon Stryker wrote:noctorro wrote: This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller?
Uh… he’s 6 inches tall.
The full quote:noctorro wrote:Just Haslab the original Unicron and I think plenty of us old folk will support and buy it. This G1 Unicron, is he Titan size or smaller? If they can get big boy to be under 200 euro's it's a no brainer for me.
Was referring to this guy:
Not the Super7 figure.
As far as we're aware of his intended size:TFWiki wrote:Though the prototype had the tallest robot mode at the time of its planned release, it was ultimately shorter than Fortress Maximus.
Personally, I don't think there is a need for HasLab-Greed.
Remaking this mold wouldn't exactly cost the Earth today. As mentioned earlier, he could easily be sold under the reissue banner in G1 packaging. For potentially the price of a Devastator boxset. As he should have been all those years ago.
The problem is, if not HasLab, who will Hasbro sell to? Walmart and Target have said in past they are hesitant about giant toys in niche categories, and second gen nostalgia alone won’t sell Unicron like G1 Prime. Could they do this through Selects? Could they do it through Amazon/Online Retailers? I am not sure but my gut says no. HasLab let’s them control and adjust the costs to match production run size
Posted by Emerje on September 8th, 2022 @ 8:50pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Emerje wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:wait-WHY ISN'T JETFIRE A 6 INCH?
Because then he'd be the same size as Devastator and Unicron. They only reserve the 6" for the really giant characters.
Emerje
Are you saying devastator and unicron being the same size is good scale?
Scale matters not in this line of figures. Is it a really big character? he gets the 6" figure; otherwise, you are 3.75".
Exactly. Super7 drew a line between large characters and giant characters and it runs right between Jetfire and Devastator.
As for making G1 Unicron into a figure, while I would really like that, I don't see Hasbro doing it. There is the smaller Takara version with the stand, but that still feels out of reach.
What I would like to see is the next best thing, a non Transforming Super7 Super Cyborg version. Proportions would be good and at a reasonable size of 11".
Emerje
Posted by Seibertron on September 8th, 2022 @ 10:30pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Remaking this mold wouldn't exactly cost the Earth today. As mentioned earlier, he could easily be sold under the reissue banner in G1 packaging. For potentially the price of a Devastator boxset. As he should have been all those years ago.
G1 Unicron is a big figure from that era at approximately 12 to 14 inches tall. I'm assuming brand new tooling for a figure that large with a low production run would make Unicron a much more expensive figure than a G1 reissue Devastator with existing tooling that has been around for almost 40 years (give or take with the Diaclones).
However, I would absolutely love to see a 40th, 45th, or 50th anniversary faithful reproductions of Unicron and G1 Arcee (in prototype colors and accurate colors for Arcee). Toss in some collectible G1 style'd boxes with or without windows and I'm 1000% sold. In my fantasy land where we get those at some point, I figured about $300 for a reproduction of G1 Arcee and around $500 for Unicron would be appropriate.
One day!
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 9th, 2022 @ 2:06am CDT
Flashwave wrote:The problem is, if not HasLab, who will Hasbro sell to? Walmart and Target have said in past they are hesitant about giant toys in niche categories, and second gen nostalgia alone won’t sell Unicron like G1 Prime. Could they do this through Selects? Could they do it through Amazon/Online Retailers? I am not sure but my gut says no. HasLab let’s them control and adjust the costs to match production run size
Well, as Walmart and Target mean nothing to anyone outside the US. I would infer G1 Unicron would be an online retail piece. In recent years, in spite of some fans wholeheartedly buying into Hasbro's line about extra engineering and parts numbers dramatically increasing price. A G1 figure is extremely basic and that excuse wouldn't really apply. They would inflate the price anyway, because Hasbro. But he realistically shouldn't be too more expensive to make or sell than G1 Devastator or any other combiner team, or City Bot.
HasLab-Greed means they can bump up the price to whatever they feel like and some will blindly throw money at it regardless.
Seibertron wrote:G1 Unicron is a big figure from that era at approximately 12 to 14 inches tall. I'm assuming brand new tooling for a figure that large with a low production run would make Unicron a much more expensive figure than a G1 reissue Devastator with existing tooling that has been around for almost 40 years (give or take with the Diaclones).
However, I would absolutely love to see a 40th, 45th, or 50th anniversary faithful reproductions of Unicron and G1 Arcee (in prototype colors and accurate colors for Arcee). Toss in some collectible G1 style'd boxes with or without windows and I'm 1000% sold. In my fantasy land where we get those at some point, I figured about $300 for a reproduction of G1 Arcee and around $500 for Unicron would be appropriate.
One day!
See but that would price G1 Arcee around the range of Masterpiece Dinobot. G1 Unicron to MP-44. Which I think would be a false equivalence. Hasbro would never honestly price either. But they could likely leave such reproductions to their lowest level designers. Who could probably finish it in a weekend.
Posted by noctorro on September 9th, 2022 @ 2:20am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:transformers_va wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'd cream my pants if "G1" Unicron is the next titan.
Hell, I'd do more than cream my pants. I'd bake them into a freaking wedding cake!
Why? I get that it was the original prototype, but that thing is ugly as hell. Wouldn't it be better for Hasbro/Takara to focus their efforts on better toys, or improving old toys, instead?
Well, because it will be different from what we usually gets.
Also, many like myself LOVES the appeal of old vintage clunky things. The price and demand of old G1 Transformers and other vintage toys is proof enough.
Be honest.
Compared to let's say Leader Earthrise Optimus Prime, the original G1 Optimus Prime is a "bad toy" (ignoring the trailer, of course.), and is basically "garbage" compared to today's standards.
But people keep buying him. Over and over. Why? It's not because it's the "better" Optimus. It's nostalgia and the vintage appeal.
I bet many TF fans who were not even alive when Beast Wars came out are now adult today and spend a fortune on G1 toys. There's also a huge market for old metal vehicles from last century.
Feel free to not like the old stuff, but I know I'm not alone in wanting "new" G1 toys like the unreleased Unicron prototype. The G1 Arcee too.
Well, this.
Owh a G1 Arcee prototype stick figure would be awesome!
I think if Hasbro releases a G1 Team set (like the studio series autobot full pack) like:
G1 Sideswipe, prowl, smokescreen, optimus, ironhide, Ratchet and Megatron/Soundwave /3 seekers.
If that was released for a not insane price then it would sell.
If this prototype G1 Unicron is about the old supreme class, and considering it's simplistic engineering, it should cost around 100 euro's / 130 euro's.
Which G1 fan would not buy a fatboy G1 Unicron for only 100 usd?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 9th, 2022 @ 4:32am CDT
noctorro wrote:
Which G1 fan would not buy a fatboy G1 Unicron for only 100 usd?
Oh, I would. But realistically speaking, I think Faticron will be titan priced due to a more limited run.
The irony is they could then repaint it a few times like they did with the original Armada mold.
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on September 9th, 2022 @ 7:12am CDT
I'm not sure how kid-appeal it is. But they did do retro He-Man figures lately, retro Ghostbusters, and retro TMNT sometimes, all at retail ... maybe it would sell.
Posted by Emerje on September 9th, 2022 @ 7:55am CDT
Seibertron wrote:I figured about $300 for a reproduction of G1 Arcee and around $500 for Unicron would be appropriate.
I'm with you on Unicron since that guy would definitely have to be a HasLab project and probably require a lower target number than Selects Unicron so the higher price would be needed to offset that.
But for Arcee, she'd be a pretty small figure, I wouldn't want her any bigger than than G1 Hot Rod, Kup, and Blurr. The benefit is that they could probably get a retailer like Walmart involved like with previous reissues, especially if it coincides with a movie that features Arcee and is in G1 style packaging. Add Takara Tomy to the mix and the price could be under $50. Hey, if Walmart is willing to accept an entirely remade Rattrap then his aunt Arcee should be no problem, too.
Emerje
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 9th, 2022 @ 8:57am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 9th, 2022 @ 9:31am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:OK, here's something not many of you may think about when it comes to G1 prototypes: do they have any permanent molds or masters with which to work from? As I understand, those are made when a figure is greenlit for mass-production, so any design rejected before that stage would literally have nothing.
I do think we all understand that any prototype would have its mold made from scratch. So if they decide to mass produce the th8ng, I wouldn't mind some more repaints.
Posted by Emerje on September 9th, 2022 @ 8:12pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:OK, here's something not many of you may think about when it comes to G1 prototypes: do they have any permanent molds or masters with which to work from? As I understand, those are made when a figure is greenlit for mass-production, so any design rejected before that stage would literally have nothing.
I do think we all understand that any prototype would have its mold made from scratch. So if they decide to mass produce the th8ng, I wouldn't mind some more repaints.
Yeah, I even mentioned it at the end of my post. I don't think that's an obstacle.
Emerje
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 10th, 2022 @ 4:23am CDT
That is a guestimate of less than five step transformation. The size of him might add some cost in raw materials. But he isn't an expensive piece of engineering.
Beast Wars Neo Unicron, on the other hand, would be pricey to reproduce from scratch.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 10th, 2022 @ 8:36am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That [500] is a crazy sum for G1 Unicron and anyone would be a fool to pay it. It wouldn't cost them anywhere near that to produce from scratch in 2022. Looking at it: the head pops up/down. The arms fold open to be the planet rings (don't assume that shoulder joints would move) and the legs (don't assume they move either) ratchet down from within the hollow planet body. One final flourish would seem to be an extra ratchet in the planet for his bot waist.
That is a guestimate of less than five step transformation. The size of him might add some cost in raw materials. But he isn't an expensive piece of engineering.
Beast Wars Neo Unicron, on the other hand, would be pricey to reproduce from scratch.
I bet there would be more then enough people willing to pay that price. If they did it, it'd easily be a limited product to like say a 1000 pieces, they would sell out quickly.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 10th, 2022 @ 8:52am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I bet there would be more then enough people willing to pay that price. If they did it, it'd easily be a limited product to like say a 1000 pieces, they would sell out quickly.
Best case scenario would be mass produced like a normal Titan with a normal Titan price and make it NON exclusive. This way, scalpers will be screwed and everyone will have a chance.
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 10th, 2022 @ 9:07am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I bet there would be more then enough people willing to pay that price. If they did it, it'd easily be a limited product to like say a 1000 pieces, they would sell out quickly.
Best case scenario would be mass produced like a normal Titan with a normal Titan price and make it NON exclusive. This way, scalpers will be screwed and everyone will have a chance.
Yeah, thats not going to happen I'm afraid. I think Seibertron had it right on the money.
Still, I maintain that even at $500 they'd sell out
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 10th, 2022 @ 10:01am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I bet there would be more then enough people willing to pay that price. If they did it, it'd easily be a limited product to like say a 1000 pieces, they would sell out quickly.
Best case scenario would be mass produced like a normal Titan with a normal Titan price and make it NON exclusive. This way, scalpers will be screwed and everyone will have a chance.
Yeah, thats not going to happen I'm afraid. I think Seibertron had it right on the money.
Still, I maintain that even at $500 they'd sell out
Well, I think this also could be a very nice HASLAB project. And depending of the target number, I'm sure that price could be toned down by more than half.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 10th, 2022 @ 11:22am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I bet there would be more then enough people willing to pay that price. If they did it, it'd easily be a limited product to like say a 1000 pieces, they would sell out quickly.
Exactly, hence why I also said:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:HasLab-Greed means they can bump up the price to whatever they feel like and some will blindly throw money at it regardless.
The figure remade in 2022 is not worth 500, in any currency. If they had actually released it in 1986. There would be no question as to it's value. Indulging in HasLab-Greed for it now, at that price, equates to one thing:
Posted by Emerje on September 11th, 2022 @ 12:22am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The figure remade in 2022 is not worth 500, in any currency. If they had actually released it in 1986. There would be no question as to it's value. Indulging in HasLab-Greed for it now, at that price, equates to one thing:
Except it wouldn't be remade, it would be an entirely new first time released figure based on something that was almost made but wasn't. That means tooling out entirely new steel molds which everybody I hear talking about their own experience with them estimate each mold costing around $100K to make. Articulation doesn't really matter when it comes to molds, just how much plastic is used, and Unicron would take a lot of plastic (the tall one is like 20" tall or so. Back in 2012 we were happily paying $350 for Encore Fortress Maximus and his molds were already made. Asking $500 for a n entirely newly molded "vintage" Unicron in 2022 sounds right. This is the same Hasbro that was charging $50 for reissue Optimus Prime without his trailer after all.
Emerje
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