Akiva Goldsman No Longer Involved with Transformers, Writers Room May Not Continue

It's a shame that Goldsman is no longer a part of the writers' board. Surely The Last Knight didn't reach many expectations for both fans and the studio, but I kind of feel that it's best to let TLK be the final main TF movie. This might sound weird, but I feel that with the series now being 10 years old, it's best to have the Bumblebee movie and the potential Cybertron prequel be the only movies so they can take us back full circle to the 2007 movie. After that, once the hype dies down, I feel that Hasbro could then make a reboot. (I have a couple of ideas that could make it stand out from other TF works, and it's neither like this series or a CG version of G1)

I don't think TF is a dead movie franchise. I think they tried to bet on this reboot and they've lost. It's right that some heads fall.

Nevertheless, TF have still a great appeal even though a radical choice like TLK has seriously damaged it (though imho TLK is far better than AOE). The only way to give this franchise some new energy is to go back to the roots and guide things in their own place, without all the mess that has nothing to do with TFuniverse itself.

I think Bee Movie will have more success than TLK right because from the first news it appears this movie will do exacty this.

In other words: they should take courage and cancel TLK and AOE and let TFs be TFs.

Well. There goes that quality cinematic universe, I guess. Back to bad scripts after the meisterwerk that was The Last Knight.

After the dumpster fire that was TLK? Good.

To be honest, I think the writer's room was part of the problem. Too many cooks spoil the broth. TLK was a mess of a hundred potentially good ideas all crammed into one movie. Had it focused purely on the Knights/staff storyline, or the Autobots on the run, or the Decepticons getting out of prison, it might have worked. As is, having all those story threads and ideas running through one movie was a recipe for disaster. The only movies I've seen that pull off that amount of different subplots well have been Amelie and most Coen Brothers movies, and fairly obviously comparing those to Transformers is a silly idea.

If we do get a TF6 (not counting the spinoffs) hopefully it'll be a return to form- one or two writers at most, a straightforward but solid story and plenty of robot action with only the token amount of humans.

RAR wrote:I'm disappointed the Movie Press is pretty much ignoring The Last Knight - as there is some very odd things that seem to have happened with this Movie that made it go off the rails in some uniquely bizarre ways.

I can only really conclude that Bay just used the people complaining about them being to long to not finish his movie properly at all let alone just cut what was shot. It's clear that a whole lot of what he left in was filler and that other scenes are poorly explained - over-explained or not explained at all.

I don't think the usual problems all Transformers Movie share is going to be down to a reduced run time - they will be down to Bay being incapable of doing his job properly and Paramount being incapable of approving a script that makes sense.

People say the same thing again and again and they don't listen

People say
1) The screen is to dark (even worse in 3D) and you can't tell the characters apart (even the humans sometimes)
2) The framing of scenes is just wonky and disjointed with robots and sometimes people out of frame and it's just confusing to look at.
3) The Music is to generic and repetitive and self-reverential
4) Characters just disappear and also take actions that make no sense
5) Character are in the Movie who serve no purpose who's entire presence could be trimmed to 2 lines of dialgue and a saving of millions of dollars
6) Lack of Expert approval - any technical dialogue - is ALWAYS wrong - and often the visual are wrong too.

a) probably not the right thread
b) movie media is ignoring TLK? huh?

Someone's happy today.

i think things have worked out as well for the franchise as they can.

the films STILL making money, last i checked it was circa 570million worldwide so its made its production budget back so everyone gets paid.

and its been enough of a FLOP to merit a real reboot.

i hate to see something fail but it took batman and robin to get the dark knight made so hopefully despite TF5 being nowhere NEAR as bad as BnR itll serve as the launch pad for a "REAL" Transformers film wherein the characters actually look and act like their supposed to.

ive no prob with steering away from G1 - personally i'd love to see an adaptation of IDWs infiltration/escalation arc. but they NEED to get back to some core tropes.

the cons have to be proactive and an effective threat, the bots have to be on the backfoot before overcoming the odds. prime needs to act like prime and not bloody grimlock. ditto megatron needs to be scary because of who he IS and not what he looks like.

moreover they need a proper fecking reason to be on earth that isnt a mcguffin. i havent clue one why prime in the movieverse is dedicated to protecting humanity. in the comics it was simple- the cons being here was his fault. he crashed the ark into it.

if they dont want to go the ark route fine but gives us a fecking reason thats as good as that as to what their motivation is.

its ironic that TLK looks to be the one to cause all this as even some of the critics that hate whats bays done with these films concede its not the worst of them. i guess the REAL question now is with goldsman gone and the writers room in disarray WHO is gonna get handed this reboot task?

partholon wrote:i think things have worked out as well for the franchise as they can.

the films STILL making money, last i checked it was circa 570million worldwide so its made its production budget back so everyone gets paid.

Not really. Theatres take 50% of the revenue so that they can stay in business (they arent showing the film for free) so all the studio got back so far is at most 285 million, but more like 261 million (since its usually more like 46% that they get back). The film cost 217 million to produce but we dont know how much marketting cost. If marketting was more than 20 million, which I am sure it is, then there are still some people that havent gotten paid yet and the film might be in a deficit when all is said and done.

Sabrblade wrote:This is the best sum up of the films' criticisms I've seen:

Meanwhile the Bay films, separate from any "GEEWUN 4eva!" criticism are:
-heavily misogynistic and filled with creepy male gaze moments (usually on young/underage girl's bodies)
-filled with blatant military propaganda for some reason
-overly crude "humor" (if it was funny I *might* strike this from the list, but it's really not. It's like gross dad humor)
-have way too many racist moments (the correct amount to have would be ZERO)
-are extremely violent in a way that is inappropriate for Hasbro's main target demographic: children

Allspark is that way.

Sabrblade wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:This is the best sum up of the films' criticisms I've seen:

Meanwhile the Bay films, separate from any "GEEWUN 4eva!" criticism are:
-heavily misogynistic and filled with creepy male gaze moments (usually on young/underage girl's bodies)
-filled with blatant military propaganda for some reason
-overly crude "humor" (if it was funny I *might* strike this from the list, but it's really not. It's like gross dad humor)
-have way too many racist moments (the correct amount to have would be ZERO)
-are extremely violent in a way that is inappropriate for Hasbro's main target demographic: children

Allspark is that way.

It's still valid criticism.

Debatable. TLK was unbearable dreck but most of these complaints seem like the usual offendatron "It isn't made of Tumblr humour and bitching about slavery so it's bad REEEEEEEE" twaddle one would expect from a perpetually #triggered teenaged girl who's never experienced adversity in her life.

Seriously. Considering my mother enjoyed every movie that wasn't TLK (and the reason she disliked that one was the shoddy acting, terrible storyline and Izabella, AKA the worst human sidekick the franchise has seen in a while) I'd say these "criticisms" were made by someone who doesn't understand what actual racism or misogyny are and quite frankly needs a good slap.

Seriously, let's run through these:

Misogyny: Attractive women on screen do not a misogynist movie make. No.
Military propaganda: Ech. What is with these people and the virulent hatred for the people that keep them safe?
Overly crude "humour": Hardly a complaint that can't be levelled at the vast majority of hollywood attempts at humour. Plus, at least most of the humour in the Transformers movies were at least slightly funny.
Racism: No. Not even close. The Twins' characterization was A: created by Reno Wilson (who IS black) and B: was supposed to be a pisstake of "wiggers" AKA white teens who adopt sh!tty "gangsta" culture to look cool.
Violence: Nothing outside the age rating. Not every Transformers work of fiction is aimed at the same demographic. We have IDW feeding robot spines to other robots, and those comics are regarded as some of the best fiction in the franchise.

So yeah. Get that crap outta here.