IGN Movies: I wanted to ask about Transformers and what the writers' room process has been like -- because obviously that's commonplace for television, but not so much for movies. How has it been working with TV heavy-hitters like Steven DeKnight and Robert Kirkman on this franchise?
Akiva Goldsman: The room was honestly as delightful an experience as I've had. I think that we were just lucky enough to have a lot of good folks, all of whom were very generous. You know, I lurked around Fringe, and I learned a lot there. When you have a bunch of people who you respect, who are smart and talented, all trying to help each other figure stuff out, it's good whether you're all in a car heading across country for a road trip or a marriage and a family or a writers' room.
Akiva Goldsman Talks Transformers Writers' Room and the Human Element
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Comment by Deadput
Oct 28, 2015
No matter what anyone in the fandom says in the movies and tv shows humans will always be necessary.
It only works in the comics due to the fact they are not as big as movies or tv shows.
It only works in the comics due to the fact they are not as big as movies or tv shows.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 28, 2015
Just gonna say that humans in Transformers isn't a problem. It's how they are used and portrayed that makes them good or bad.
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Exactly
There are good characters, there are bad characters...
Then there's Kicker.
Comment by Deadput
Oct 28, 2015
Sabrblade wrote:Just gonna say that humans in Transformers isn't a problem. It's how they are used and portrayed that makes them good or bad.
Exactly
There are good characters, there are bad characters...
Then there's Kicker.
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Thankfully, he wasn't bad in the Energon comics by Dreamwave. Actually got a couple of cool moments in there.
Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 28, 2015
If nothing else, he was at least competent (and the only human to ever personally fight against Galvatron one-on-one in combat, and live).mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Then there's Kicker.
Thankfully, he wasn't bad in the Energon comics by Dreamwave. Actually got a couple of cool moments in there.
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Comment by Fires_Of_Inferno
Oct 29, 2015
"IGN: Right, and we've heard about that animated movie being an origin movie with just Transformers in it, right?
Goldsman: Yeah, the prequel. It takes place before Optimus and Megatron ever come to Earth."
Wait... what does THAT mean?
Goldsman: Yeah, the prequel. It takes place before Optimus and Megatron ever come to Earth."
Wait... what does THAT mean?
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Comment by Windsweeper
Oct 29, 2015
After Batman and Robin Akiva Goldsman shouldn't be allowed near any movie production
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Comment by Stuartmaximus
Oct 29, 2015
aye.....but just not with Jem!
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He's written some good movies after that. One shit movie doesn't mean he'd destined to write shit movies the rest of his career.
Comment by SlyTF1
Oct 29, 2015
Windsweeper wrote:After Batman and Robin Akiva Goldsman shouldn't be allowed near any movie production
He's written some good movies after that. One shit movie doesn't mean he'd destined to write shit movies the rest of his career.
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I have to respectfully disagree. The 1986 animated film is absolutely amazing, and human involvement was minimal, and could have easily been removed. I think it is budget restraints that require human involvement. To render 120 minuets of purely alien worlds and dozens of cinema level CG characters would push the budget to an insanely high amount. Remember we are not talking Pixar. We are talking ILM & other animation houses. Creating CG good enough to interact with the "real world" (I realize sometimes they fall short), still is way more complicated than creating an animated film within its own self contained animated world. I just hope that someday technology progresses to the point that you could have an entirely self-contained cinema level Transformers movie with all CG characters. True it would not work for most films, because well... most films require humans (Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU etc...) but Transformers does not.
Comment by o.supreme
Oct 29, 2015
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:No matter what anyone in the fandom says in the movies and tv shows humans will always be necessary. It only works in the comics due to the fact they are not as big as movies or tv shows.
I have to respectfully disagree. The 1986 animated film is absolutely amazing, and human involvement was minimal, and could have easily been removed. I think it is budget restraints that require human involvement. To render 120 minuets of purely alien worlds and dozens of cinema level CG characters would push the budget to an insanely high amount. Remember we are not talking Pixar. We are talking ILM & other animation houses. Creating CG good enough to interact with the "real world" (I realize sometimes they fall short), still is way more complicated than creating an animated film within its own self contained animated world. I just hope that someday technology progresses to the point that you could have an entirely self-contained cinema level Transformers movie with all CG characters. True it would not work for most films, because well... most films require humans (Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU etc...) but Transformers does not.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 29, 2015
No. No, it really isn't.o.supreme wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:No matter what anyone in the fandom says in the movies and tv shows humans will always be necessary. It only works in the comics due to the fact they are not as big as movies or tv shows.
I have to respectfully disagree. The 1986 animated film is absolutely amazing,
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Let's just agree to disagree.
Comment by o.supreme
Oct 29, 2015
Sabrblade wrote:No. No, it really isn't.
Let's just agree to disagree.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
Oct 29, 2015
That's a matter of opinion, isn't it? Personally, if I had to choose between TF:TM and any of Bay's movies to watch, I'd pick the animated movie. DoTM might make me hesitate for a second (the best of Bay's work), but I'd go with TF:TM over live action. And no, it's not nostalgia talking. Just simply an enjoyment of good entertainment.No. No, it really isn't.I have to respectfully disagree. The 1986 animated film is absolutely amazing,
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 29, 2015
That's a comparison of the 1986 movie vs. the live action movies, which is a different subject from the 1986 movie being "absolutely amazing" or not.Rodimus Prime wrote:That's a matter of opinion, isn't it? Personally, if I had to choose between TF:TM and any of Bay's movies to watch, I'd pick the animated movie. DoTM might make me hesitate for a second (the best of Bay's work), but I'd go with TF:TM over live action. And no, it's not nostalgia talking. Just simply an enjoyment of good entertainment.No. No, it really isn't.I have to respectfully disagree. The 1986 animated film is absolutely amazing,
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Um, what do you think this Cybertron prequel is going to be?
Comment by SlyTF1
Oct 29, 2015
o.supreme wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:No matter what anyone in the fandom says in the movies and tv shows humans will always be necessary. It only works in the comics due to the fact they are not as big as movies or tv shows.
I have to respectfully disagree. The 1986 animated film is absolutely amazing, and human involvement was minimal, and could have easily been removed. I think it is budget restraints that require human involvement. To render 120 minuets of purely alien worlds and dozens of cinema level CG characters would push the budget to an insanely high amount. Remember we are not talking Pixar. We are talking ILM & other animation houses. Creating CG good enough to interact with the "real world" (I realize sometimes they fall short), still is way more complicated than creating an animated film within its own self contained animated world. I just hope that someday technology progresses to the point that you could have an entirely self-contained cinema level Transformers movie with all CG characters. True it would not work for most films, because well... most films require humans (Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU etc...) but Transformers does not.
Um, what do you think this Cybertron prequel is going to be?
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I *think* it is going to be something fully animated on the level of PIXAR, in terms of animation quality, not in terms maturity. Like I said, there's a difference between what ILM and others do to create CG characters realistic enough to blend in real world environments, and "cartoon" CG animated films. To my knowledge, there has never been a fully animated film with CG imagery intended to blend in with real world environments, without having said real world interaction.
It has the potential to be the best TF film ever, but seeing as how it takes pace in the established Live-Action universe, I am skeptical. What I was originally responding to was what I believe is a false assertion that a TF movie simply cannot be made, or made well, *without* any human characters.
Comment by o.supreme
Oct 29, 2015
SlyTF1 wrote:Um, what do you think this Cybertron prequel is going to be?
I *think* it is going to be something fully animated on the level of PIXAR, in terms of animation quality, not in terms maturity. Like I said, there's a difference between what ILM and others do to create CG characters realistic enough to blend in real world environments, and "cartoon" CG animated films. To my knowledge, there has never been a fully animated film with CG imagery intended to blend in with real world environments, without having said real world interaction.
It has the potential to be the best TF film ever, but seeing as how it takes pace in the established Live-Action universe, I am skeptical. What I was originally responding to was what I believe is a false assertion that a TF movie simply cannot be made, or made well, *without* any human characters.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 29, 2015
Dinosaur - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur_(film)o.supreme wrote:To my knowledge, there has never been a fully animated film with CG imagery intended to blend in with real world environments, without having said real world interaction.
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Comment by o.supreme
Oct 29, 2015
cartoon lemur
real lemur
judges- nope not "real world" - Next.
real lemur
judges- nope not "real world" - Next.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 29, 2015
Your pics are broken.
Every character in that movie was CGI while the environments were filmed on location. That's what my point was.
Every character in that movie was CGI while the environments were filmed on location. That's what my point was.
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Comment by o.supreme
Oct 29, 2015
and that is not what I am describing. If the environments were "on location", then they were real, NOT "real life quality" CG. It will be kind of hard to go on location to an alien world.
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Well, I know another film that was close to that, but not quite there only because it ended up having two scenes in live action while the rest was realistic CGI: The LEGO Movie.
Comment by Sabrblade
Oct 29, 2015
Oh, you meant a fully CGI movie with CGI so good that it looks real and not CGI? I see.o.supreme wrote:and that is not what I am describing. If the environments were "on location", then they were real, NOT "real life quality" CG. It will be kind of hard to go on location to an alien world.
Well, I know another film that was close to that, but not quite there only because it ended up having two scenes in live action while the rest was realistic CGI: The LEGO Movie.
