Amazon Listings for Takara Tomy Transformers Studio Series Wave 2

Brawl is more scrawny looking as a voyager than the THICC leader. I may pick him up on sale. Lockdown seem pretty fine too, despite the obligatory arm panels and backpack. Maybe on sale too. Jazz and Megs are day one sure buy, no matter the price.

Didn't realize before now how Brawl's turret just hangs off his back like a really long third peg-leg.

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:The pics above clearly show that 2007 Ratchet is stupidly LARGE. Damn, he's almost a leader by today's standards.

And simultaneously showing that the perfect sized Ratchet is around halfway between him and the shrimpy SS guy

Perfect size compared to what though? Or are you suggesting that ratchet should have been a voyager in the ss line to scale with his live mates?

Looking at the figures included that came from AoE and TLK, and even many of the DotM figures, all scale well with each other, even if the DotM felt a bit chinsier. The Studio series line could EASILY have kept that scale and thus made the new modern versions of movie 1, 2, and 3 characters in scale with the new post DotM guys.

So by extent, you could have had every character from movies 4 and 5 line up with the new toys from 1, 2, and 3, thus making a perfect shelf across the whole movie board. And we have the proper robot mode scale for pretty much everyone save Slug and Strafe (and even Strafe is debatable), so it would not have been that much of a stretch. It could have been perfect!

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Studio is it's OWN scale. It's a movie line where all the figures are intentionally designed to try and be in scale with each other as best as can be allowed given budget and other reasons. Previous movie lines did not have this focus. Characters were simply placed into whichever class their a toy could be made for and the toy was made best to fit that particular budget class and that's why you got multiple size versions of the same character in the same line, (for example in Dark of the Moon there is Ironhide in Deluxe, Voyager AND Leader class all at the same time). If previous movie figures fit into Studio scale it is by chance, not by design (especially since the size classes have all actually changed physical sizes and costs in the past 11 years since the first movie line). In this scale Optimus Prime and Megatron are NOT Leader class. They are Voyager so that photo having the Leader class figures is way off anyways.

The only voyager Primes I own are the Evasion and TLK ones, and I did not grab the TLK one since I had a TLK voyager in there already.

But see my above comments, AOE and TLK were all in scale with one another save pretty much Slug and the non-movie dinobots, this was a perfect chance to continue that scale, but instead they fudged it all up and went smaller for many of these guys.

As a movie lover, it's a hard pill to swallow spending $22 on Jazz or Bee, and Ratchet should have been a voyager. The fact that he keeps getting deluxe toys infuriates me to no end.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
As a movie lover, it's a hard pill to swallow spending $22 on Jazz or Bee, and Ratchet should have been a voyager. The fact that he keeps getting deluxe toys infuriates me to no end.

I'm looking at voyager Prime and Megatron from the Last Knight on my shelf and there's no way Ratchet should be anywhere near as big as either of them. To scale with them as a voyager he'd have to be a very tiny Voyager and then be even more overpriced as a Voyager toy than you apparently consider actual Studio Bee and Jazz to be. Especially when standing next to someone like Studio Starscream who is a voyager but clearly meant to be far larger than Ratchet and so is. And Megatron is meant to be taller than Starscream which the Studio figures do right too. So if Ratchet was a voyager, then Starscream and Megatron (and Optimus and Brawl) would be pushed into being Leaders to be far taller than Ratchet which would up their costs greatly too, and then push Blackout and Grimlock into being Supremes which hugely inflate their costs to the point they'd probably not be profitable at all that size with only the richer collectors being able to afford them at all (not me) and stores less likely to want to devote shelf space to them.

Personally I think they've got it mostly right with this series. I don't know all the decisions they had to make with size in relation to how certain characters are designed factoring costs of parts and paint and such as an overall line.
So yeah gonna have to agree to disagree on this. I really like the overall scale they've done for this line. Moreso than previous ones and I'm enjoying collecting these as a complete line more than any other TF line in my 30+ years as a TF fan.

ZeroWolf wrote:Reminds me...I need to grab both animated Lockdowns at some point.

I literally just sold one a couple weeks ago. I had a junker one and found another junker one at charity shop and mixed the pieces together. I don't like the figure myself much. Fun car mode but not keen on the robot design (in either Animated or RotF versions). It was the third/fourth one I'd come across in past couple years in just my local charity shop for some reason. If I'd known you were looking for one I might have been able to help. Sorry

ok now i must try sleep. after i wipe the blood of these keyboard. been having nosebleeds all day. No idea why. Goodnight.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
As a movie lover, it's a hard pill to swallow spending $22 on Jazz or Bee, and Ratchet should have been a voyager. The fact that he keeps getting deluxe toys infuriates me to no end.

I'm looking at voyager Prime and Megatron from the Last Knight on my shelf and there's no way Ratchet should be anywhere near as big as either of them. To scale with them as a voyager he'd have to be a very tiny Voyager and then be even more overpriced as a Voyager toy than you apparently consider actual Studio Bee and Jazz to be. Especially when standing next to someone like Studio Starscream who is a voyager but clearly meant to be far larger than Ratchet and so is. And Megatron is meant to be taller than Starscream which the Studio figures do right too. So if Ratchet was a voyager, then Starscream and Megatron (and Optimus and Brawl) would be pushed into being Leaders to be far taller than Ratchet which would up their costs greatly too, and then push Blackout and Grimlock into being Supremes which hugely inflate their costs to the point they'd probably not be profitable at all that size with only the richer collectors being able to afford them at all (not me) and stores less likely to want to devote shelf space to them.

Personally I think they've got it mostly right with this series. I don't know all the decisions they had to make with size in relation to how certain characters are designed factoring costs of parts and paint and such as an overall line.
So yeah gonna have to agree to disagree on this. I really like the overall scale they've done for this line. Moreso than previous ones and I'm enjoying collecting these as a complete line more than any other TF line in my 30+ years as a TF fan.

ZeroWolf wrote:Reminds me...I need to grab both animated Lockdowns at some point.

I literally just sold one a couple weeks ago. I had a junker one and found another junker one at charity shop and mixed the pieces together. I don't like the figure myself much. Fun car mode but not keen on the robot design (in either Animated or RotF versions). It was the third/fourth one I'd come across in past couple years in just my local charity shop for some reason. If I'd known you were looking for one I might have been able to help. Sorry

ok now i must try sleep. after i wipe the blood of these keyboard. been having nosebleeds all day. No idea why. Goodnight.

Don't worry about it mate My budget for toy buying anyway has just been dramatically slashed by future plans

-Kanrabat- wrote:People consider the HFTD deluxe Ironhide to be a great toy. So why not just oversizing it by a few millimeters and release it as SS deluxe Ironhide?
It would scale perfectly with Ratchet, Optimus, the Dreads, and the others.

Yeah, I broke out my deluxe Ironhide to compare with my SS figures and was really surprised that he wasn’t that far off from being in scale. I think it’s a pretty good figure, but if they upscale it they’d have to do it like SS Starscream and fix a few things, like having his chest actually tab into place and some better upper arms.

Source: https://gramrix.com/p/1765127089952220302_7589158183

ZeroWolf wrote:Not a lot to go off there...

BUT IT'S BUMBLEBEE! IN A MOVIE LINE! IT MEAN SOMETHING!

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Not a lot to go off there...

What do you mean, it clearly has a VW beetle headlight on his shoulder. Please tell me that's his shoulder. God, I hope they didn't give him headlight, um headlights.

I've got some bad news for you.

I would be down for that, that is one good mold...but who would sunstorm be a redco of