Description of Upcoming Transformers Legacy Commander Motormaster

Motormaster himself sounds cool but I'm more inclined to just get upgrades for my CW kit because I don't like this mode of combination.

So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

If they are emulating 3P companies, then Hasbro's using them exactly as they should, IMO. Siege Magnus kept screaming "City Commander" at me the whole time I first transformed him, and was a better toy for the unofficial R&D. At least these official Stunticons should scale better than that Third party team.

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

As it stands I always thought the G1 toon depiction of menasor just wearing the team on top of his robot limbs was very silly (and i could never understand why it was only him portrayed this way) so this will be a pass for me.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

william-james88 wrote:

Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.

Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...

Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.

If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.

sol magnus wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.

Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.

I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.

Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.

It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.

It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.

I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).

I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.

Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.

Yeah, I've had that charge leveled at me as well, but the hobby is the hobby. The 3P figures I've gotten were gap fillers - IE there was no Takara version available - in Masterpiece for favorite characters. When Hasbro did one, then I would still get it.

Anyway, we're derailing - even though it started as relevant due to the Stunticons possibly being 3p-ish. I say, wait it out and see what they actually did rather than judge it based on conjecture. I saw Combiner Wars Menasor in a shop yesterday, and I'm sorry - but he sucks. I wouldn't get him before we knew anything about Legacy, and I still couldn't plunk down my money on him yesterday even for temporaries. So, I will wait and see what the Legacy version does, but I can't see it being worse than Menasor from Combiner Wars.

o.supreme wrote:It is nice I guess, when they do unique characters, but I don't need 6 different takes on Devastator, Superion and Menasor. Probably part of the reason why, as much as I love combiners, I feet a lack of creativity at Hasbro doing the Stunticons again as opposed to a Combiner team that hasn't been updated yet.

Menasor is bad, man. Objectively bad. They needed to correct that one. However, the jury is out on whether it'll be better or not. We shall see.