Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.
Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...
Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.
Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...
cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.
So if this is true, the combined mode will be the height of Siege Jetfire as opposed to the CW combiner which is the height of a leader?william-james88 wrote:There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy...
The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.
sol magnus wrote:cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.
I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.
ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.
I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.
Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.
AcademyofDrX wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.
I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.
Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.
It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.
william-james88 wrote:Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.
Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...
Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.
AcademyofDrX wrote:I do think there are a few other interesting trends where Hasbro is clearly following the unlicensed market. The Centurion accessory pack, Earthrise Quintesson figures, SS86 Starscream's throne, all of these had clear antecedents from these toymakers. If Motormaster and Menasor deliver as rumored, they'll be the latest examples, not a new event.
Next up? Probably Generations Tarn. Hasbro has already made him available to their licensing partners that make non-transforming robots, and he's going to be in Cyberverse, so it's only a matter of time.
sol magnus wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.
I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.
Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.
It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.
It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.
I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).
Mistaken_Table wrote:william-james88 wrote:Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.
Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...
Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.
If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.
AcademyofDrX wrote:sol magnus wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:sol magnus wrote:cloudballoon wrote:So, like the newer 3P then? No surprise there. But at the cost of a Commmander + 4 DLX, it's similar (if not more than) in price to the KO of an early 3P Bruticus. Made by Machine Boy iirc? Hasbro better design something much better than that to be competitive.
I'll never get over the idea that the company that owns the IP has to "compete" with some group of randos.
Always why I felt a lot of 3p were wasting their talents when if they could do their own ip, then they would be true competitors.
It's very hard and very expensive to launch new IP. I have a lot of respect for what Unrustables was trying to do, but I doubt it's considered a successful model. Hasbro is worth $13B, they don't have to worry about competing with 3P, and it would be madness for unlicensed toymakers to think that way.
It's not what the companies think or don't think that chaps my a--. It's the customers.
I've purchased my fair share of 3P figures (although I'm mainly into upgrade kits, which I feel is fair game), but at no time do I think 'I'm not getting the Hasbro version, I'm getting the XTranCUBEWuKFC version over that. Sure, free marketplace and everything, but I grew up in the time when Diaclones were considered knock-offs (lol).
I'm generally hostile to so-called 3P, but the more I read on the subject, the more I'm convinced that original toy designs based on Hasbro's IP are probably legally permissable while still ethically wrong. I picked up a 3P Huffer years ago because he was the only minibot I didn't like in Generations, but I could never bear to open it, and Kingdom Huffer has made it unnecessary. I do get the occasionally Nonnef pack, though.
Personally, it's not my scene, but if that's something people like, that's for them. I'd rather have cheaper, generally more reliable mass market figures than premium priced stuff with questionable quality control, but that's just me. Maybe some would see me as a Hasbro shill, but I like what they do and I like their products, so they get my money.
o.supreme wrote:It is nice I guess, when they do unique characters, but I don't need 6 different takes on Devastator, Superion and Menasor. Probably part of the reason why, as much as I love combiners, I feet a lack of creativity at Hasbro doing the Stunticons again as opposed to a Combiner team that hasn't been updated yet.
AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm expecting eBay to get totally flooded with CW/UW Menasor, but that doesn't seem to have happened yet. I should probably sell mine now instead of waiting for a year, but I have a nearly complete Season 2 collection and I don't want to break it up prematurely.
I see it as like Classics/Universe versus WfC, the new ones made the old ones look like garbage to me, but some fans think they're oldies but goodies.
What? Every CW Combiner is the height of Siege Jetfire.Rodimus Prime wrote:So if this is true, the combined mode will be the height of Siege Jetfire as opposed to the CW combiner which is the height of a leader?william-james88 wrote:There are a few descriptions of the upcoming Transformers Legacy commander Motormaster toy...
The cars making the arms clip on while the legs are hollow rectangles for the cars to slide into, filling out the holes.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AcademyofDrX wrote:Mistaken_Table wrote:william-james88 wrote:Mistaken_Table wrote:So Hasbro's taking cues from the KO companies and not actually doing a combiner.
Boy do I love oddly-shaped shelves...
Many bots come together to make a big bot, it's a combiner.
If its like the KOs, the trailer IS the big bot and the 5 vehicles are decoration/gap-fillers. Its a shelf.
That's still a combiner tho
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