The Energon Pub

God Sunstreaker wrote:Prime Arcee: Looks fine. But It reminds me of Generations thrilling 30 Chromia which I have and is my definitive Chromia at the moment. Maybe I'll get the Siege one at some point. But a mix of G1 Arcee and the aforementioned Chromia isn't something I want or need.

Yeah, the main reason Prime Arcee was made blue instead of pink is because the Prime cartoon creators were like "We can't have Jack riding a pink motorcycle. He'd look silly."

Sabrblade wrote:

God Sunstreaker wrote:Prime Arcee: Looks fine. But It reminds me of Generations thrilling 30 Chromia which I have and is my definitive Chromia at the moment. Maybe I'll get the Siege one at some point. But a mix of G1 Arcee and the aforementioned Chromia isn't something I want or need.

Yeah, the main reason Prime Arcee was made blue instead of pink is because the Prime cartoon creators were like "We can't have Jack riding a pink motorcycle. He'd look silly."

Cowards. What's silly about this?

God Sunstreaker wrote:General Opinion for you guys.

Dragstrip: He looks cool and I'm curious about the other Stunticons. However I'm happy with my Combiner Wars version. The CW Dragstrip looks great, is fun, and has those beautiful chrome wheels. Anyway, the CW Menasor was pretty weak, but with all the upgrade kits, which I purchased, it looks amazing. I want to seem more of these new Stunticons before I decide to drop $130 on a new set. I mean, I bought every CW/PotP Combiner to complete the set. About all I want at this point is an official Devastator in scale with the rest. The other thing I like is that I have all 7 CW Stunticons and I like that extra upgraded squad. I'm curious if they're going to make all 7 or just the core 5.

It's gonna be more than 130. Motormaster alone is 85 bucks.

God Sunstreaker wrote:General Opinion for you guys.

Dragstrip: He looks cool and I'm curious about the other Stunticons. However I'm happy with my Combiner Wars version. The CW Dragstrip looks great, is fun, and has those beautiful chrome wheels. Anyway, the CW Menasor was pretty weak, but with all the upgrade kits, which I purchased, it looks amazing. I want to seem more of these new Stunticons before I decide to drop $130 on a new set. I mean, I bought every CW/PotP Combiner to complete the set. About all I want at this point is an official Devastator in scale with the rest. The other thing I like is that I have all 7 CW Stunticons and I like that extra upgraded squad. I'm curious if they're going to make all 7 or just the core 5.

It's gonna be more than 130. Motormaster alone is 85 bucks.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

God Sunstreaker wrote:Prime Arcee: Looks fine. But It reminds me of Generations thrilling 30 Chromia which I have and is my definitive Chromia at the moment. Maybe I'll get the Siege one at some point. But a mix of G1 Arcee and the aforementioned Chromia isn't something I want or need.

Yeah, the main reason Prime Arcee was made blue instead of pink is because the Prime cartoon creators were like "We can't have Jack riding a pink motorcycle. He'd look silly."

Cowards. What's silly about this?

What's silly about it is that guy thought he could take down Dick Grayson Batman.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

God Sunstreaker wrote:Prime Arcee: Looks fine. But It reminds me of Generations thrilling 30 Chromia which I have and is my definitive Chromia at the moment. Maybe I'll get the Siege one at some point. But a mix of G1 Arcee and the aforementioned Chromia isn't something I want or need.

Yeah, the main reason Prime Arcee was made blue instead of pink is because the Prime cartoon creators were like "We can't have Jack riding a pink motorcycle. He'd look silly."

Cowards. What's silly about this?

The mustache on that guy. It's pretty silly.

o.supreme wrote:

God Sunstreaker wrote:Dragstrip: He looks cool and I'm curious about the other Stunticons. However I'm happy with my Combiner Wars version. The CW Dragstrip looks great, is fun, and has those beautiful chrome wheels. Anyway, the CW Menasor was pretty weak, but with all the upgrade kits, which I purchased, it looks amazing. I want to seem more of these new Stunticons before I decide to drop $130 on a new set. I mean, I bought every CW/PotP Combiner to complete the set. About all I want at this point is an official Devastator in scale with the rest. The other thing I like is that I have all 7 CW Stunticons and I like that extra upgraded squad. I'm curious if they're going to make all 7 or just the core 5.

A new set of Legacy Stunticons is going to run you upwards of $180, unless they go on sale ($22 each for 4 deluxes, then $85 for CC Motormaster + tax.



I understand Legacy is a new design team, and unfortunately 8 years later here I am about to bow out again. Sure there are a few bucket list items I'll be picking up from older lines, and keeping my eyes on anything TT does that may be special or unique outside of Hasbro, but that's about it.

Right, I completely forgot that Motormaster is the rumored commander class. Ok, so I stand corrected, $180 for a new combiner. That's even harder to swallow.

I mean, I got CW "Wild Rider" off BBTS for close to $50. I also got the G2 versions.

I love my combiners

I almost bought three versions of Superion. I was late to the party and tracked down all the CW Aerialbots specifically because I didn't like Skydive's blue dorsal wings and I liked the orange on Silverbolt instead of the yellow. And I got all 7 of those bots as well including the "Slingshot" And they are my favorite set. I think they've stayed in Superion mode for 4 and a half years now either sitting on my desk or on a shelf.

So I've spent a lot.

However I do like the G1 look. I did recently pick up the Siege Springer despite the fact that I love the thrilling 30 "IDW" Springer. And I did it because I wanted a shelf with the '86 movie bots and the IDW springer just looked off compared to the Kingdom and Studio figures. I still have hold out for good quality and high reviews unless there's no options, for example, there's a missing space for Arcee and I was tempted to pickup the Earthrise/Kingdom one to fill the slot even though every review says it's weak compared to the thrilling 30 Arcee, which I have. It's just up with the girl bots in my daughters room. I have a missing spot for Airrazor for the same reason, but since I have Tigerhawk it's not really a vacancy I care much about.

I'm in a similar boat with you I think. I stopped collecting for about 15 years. I stopped around energon and the minicons. And I came back because of Arcee, Springer, and the G1 Seacon reissue. Then I stumbled onto thrilling 30 Metroplex, Masterpiece Star Saber and the CW Aerialbots and got back into it. I was going to stop after the CW-PotP trilogy, but I wanted a Sideswipe and which got me to notice Ironhide, and Hound and then I just basically got the entire trilogy. Right now I just have Skid, and Kickback on pre-order. All I really want at this point is to complete Kingdom with Pipes, Tigertron, and Slammer, and updated version of Gears and Swerve, and Sunstorm. I think I'd pick up a Titan class Nemesis or other TF starships as well.

However I want to get out of collecting as well. This must be an '80's kid thing and I just got hit with the perfect advertising hook that was season 1 and 2 of Transformers that the rest of us got hit with. All this stuff brings me joy but I have a family now they they bring me more. Like the TF stuff is a nostalgic happiness, but that's my past.

Maybe there's kids out there that like Prime, and Beast wars, but all of that is derivative. It's all trying to copy the original in some way but make it different/better. G1 was the phenomenon. And it's still going-ish. But guess what: my son doesn't care about this stuff. He likes watching the shows but doesn't care about the toys and he's 7, right in that sweet spot. My daughter likes the toys but she's 2.

Maybe Optimus Prime has the staying power of Disney's Mickey Mouse or DC's Superman but, we'll see. My parents like Mickey Mouse, but I didn't care for him and my son doesn't even know it exists. Hasbro may need to reinvent itself in the next few years to stay relevant. But a robot that turns into something else: it's a cool toy concept but as a character driven story, does it really make logical sense? I guess time will tell.

So someone had the bright idea to go "Wait a minute, if the line-wide gimmick is Energon weapons, then is Blaster's gun going to be clear plastic?", and one of the leakers confirmed based on what they've seen so far that Blaster's gun is NOT his Energon weapon/made of clear plastic, his included EJECT is.

Oof.

Nemesis Primal wrote:So someone had the bright idea to go "Wait a minute, if the line-wide gimmick is Energon weapons, then is Blaster's gun going to be clear plastic?", and one of the leakers confirmed based on what they've seen so far that Blaster's gun is NOT his Energon weapon/made of clear plastic, his included EJECT is.

Oof.

Okay. So what? Is he still blue?

Nemesis Primal wrote:So someone had the bright idea to go "Wait a minute, if the line-wide gimmick is Energon weapons, then is Blaster's gun going to be clear plastic?", and one of the leakers confirmed based on what they've seen so far that Blaster's gun is NOT his Energon weapon/made of clear plastic, his included EJECT is.

Oof.

What?!?! Have a link to photos?

Is it too much to ask for a Soundwave and a Blaster in Voyager scale with nice tapes at or greater then the g1 quality?

Nemesis Primal wrote:So someone had the bright idea to go "Wait a minute, if the line-wide gimmick is Energon weapons, then is Blaster's gun going to be clear plastic?", and one of the leakers confirmed based on what they've seen so far that Blaster's gun is NOT his Energon weapon/made of clear plastic, his included EJECT is.

Oof.

The only question I have is whether to use the LA Noire or Philip Seymour Hoffman / Meryl Streep Doubt image.

Nemesis Primal wrote:So someone had the bright idea to go "Wait a minute, if the line-wide gimmick is Energon weapons, then is Blaster's gun going to be clear plastic?", and one of the leakers confirmed based on what they've seen so far that Blaster's gun is NOT his Energon weapon/made of clear plastic, his included EJECT is.

Oof.

Hmmm, This may actually answer a question that has been bugging me since the leakers indicated Soundwave and Blaster would come with one of their cassettes. The Siege cassette molds were gang molded in pairs, Ravage and Laserbeak, Rumble and Ratbat. They were molded in a way that you couldn't make 1 without making the other. I've been wondering how they would pull of making an Eject from this without another bat-bot to fill out the other half of the mold. The answer could be new, simpler molds.

Here's the source for this rumor. Apollux is reputable, but even he hedges on whether the final product will be translucent.
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/ ... t-19679722

"I believe Eject is made of translucent blue plastic, but that's just old info from a deco sheet, haven't seen production/engineering photo's to confirm."

AcademyofDrX wrote:Here's the source for this rumor. Apollux is reputable, but even he hedges on whether the final product will be translucent.
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/ ... t-19679722

"I believe Eject is made of translucent blue plastic, but that's just old info from a deco sheet, haven't seen production/engineering photo's to confirm."

Exactly. Considering Apollux gave accurate leaks/info on every retail Kingdom figure and Terrorsaur (some of that info being the first we even heard of Kingdom), I am inclined to believe that they at least believe the info to be true if they are sharing it, but there is room for error, hence my phrasing of "based on what they've seen so far". I know how some of y'all feel about clear plastic though, I figured it was worth mentioning.

(I typically leave the specific usernames out because some of them have specifically asked for their names to be left out when stuff like this is posted and/or newsed here, just FYI)

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Hmmm, This may actually answer a question that has been bugging me since the leakers indicated Soundwave and Blaster would come with one of their cassettes. The Siege cassette molds were gang molded in pairs, Ravage and Laserbeak, Rumble and Ratbat. They were molded in a way that you couldn't make 1 without making the other. I've been wondering how they would pull of making an Eject from this without another bat-bot to fill out the other half of the mold. The answer could be new, simpler molds.

And if there is a humanoid cassette molding that isn't gang-molded with a second cassette, it could also explain the Studio Series 86 Core Rumble listing as also using a variant of that mold.

If this does turn out to be true, I wonder what this means for other figures in the line though that historically have smaller partners, like if Pointblank will have an Energon Targetmaster or if Armada Sceamer's Mini-Con will be Energon.

God Sunstreaker wrote:What?!?! Have a link to photos?

Is it too much to ask for a Soundwave and a Blaster in Voyager scale with nice tapes at or greater then the g1 quality?

No photos yet, it's just word of mouth from a historically trustworthy source. If I had pics, I would have posted them when I first mentioned it. Most anytime I post something like this, I'm just parroting back info from a reputable source I observed that doesn't post here so the info is visible for a greater audience.
...and now that I say that out loud, I realize I sound like I may as well be a cassette spy myself.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Hmmm, This may actually answer a question that has been bugging me since the leakers indicated Soundwave and Blaster would come with one of their cassettes. The Siege cassette molds were gang molded in pairs, Ravage and Laserbeak, Rumble and Ratbat. They were molded in a way that you couldn't make 1 without making the other. I've been wondering how they would pull of making an Eject from this without another bat-bot to fill out the other half of the mold. The answer could be new, simpler molds.

And if there is a humanoid cassette molding that isn't gang-molded with a second cassette, it could also explain the Studio Series 86 Core Rumble listing as also using a variant of that mold.

If this does turn out to be true, I wonder what this means for other figures in the line though that historically have smaller partners, like if Pointblank will have an Energon Targetmaster or if Armada Sceamer's Mini-Con will be Energon.

And the SS86 Core Rumble is where things would get interesting and/or complicated. That is a core figure and the previous Siege cassettes were basically 1/2 of a core figure since they were 2 to a pack. I can't see them doing a single siege sized cassette and trying to charge full core price, so the new SS86 Rumble has to be something bigger.

A single core cassette could be something twice as thick as the Siege ones in cassette mode and still fit in a Soundwave with the double cassette door (Netflix Soundwave or Siege Soundblaster). That could work with some existing Voyager molds with the double cassette deck.

The problem with this would be that we know Hasbro isn't going to add a $10 core figure to a $30 Voyager figure and still charge Voyager price. So I'm inclined to think that we might get something very simple with Soundwave and Blaster, not much more complex than a weapon, and the separate core figures released will be the real cassette minions.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Hmmm, This may actually answer a question that has been bugging me since the leakers indicated Soundwave and Blaster would come with one of their cassettes. The Siege cassette molds were gang molded in pairs, Ravage and Laserbeak, Rumble and Ratbat. They were molded in a way that you couldn't make 1 without making the other. I've been wondering how they would pull of making an Eject from this without another bat-bot to fill out the other half of the mold. The answer could be new, simpler molds.

And if there is a humanoid cassette molding that isn't gang-molded with a second cassette, it could also explain the Studio Series 86 Core Rumble listing as also using a variant of that mold.

If this does turn out to be true, I wonder what this means for other figures in the line though that historically have smaller partners, like if Pointblank will have an Energon Targetmaster or if Armada Sceamer's Mini-Con will be Energon.

And the SS86 Core Rumble is where things would get interesting and/or complicated. That is a core figure and the previous Siege cassettes were basically 1/2 of a core figure since they were 2 to a pack. I can't see them doing a single siege sized cassette and trying to charge full core price, so the new SS86 Rumble has to be something bigger.

A single core cassette could be something twice as thick as the Siege ones in cassette mode and still fit in a Soundwave with the double cassette door (Netflix Soundwave or Siege Soundblaster). That could work with some existing Voyager molds with the double cassette deck.

The problem with this would be that we know Hasbro isn't going to add a $10 core figure to a $30 Voyager figure and still charge Voyager price. So I'm inclined to think that we might get something very simple with Soundwave and Blaster, not much more complex than a weapon, and the separate core figures released will be the real cassette minions.

I'm personally predicting that Eject and Rumble will be the same mold, and it won't be particularly complex, but Rumble will come with accessories/weapons to have him as a stand-alone release while Eject basically is treated as an accessory (specifically an Energon weapon, in this case). That way there's incentive for people to grab the new Rumble even if they have the Siege ones to get their Frumbles kitted out with some piledrivers, back guns, maybe some drills or a blast effect, etc, in addition to other changes like a new deco. Essentially, I foresee Rumble as having the Core Class equivalent of Hot Rod's accessory count.

Plus Netflix Soundwave does not actually have the double-cassette door from what I've seen of in-hand pics and TFWiki, that's only Soundblaster, and since they are rereleasing either Siege or Netflix Soundwave in Legacy, I would assume they would want to preserve that compatibility with a new cassette rather than just go "what, you don't have the Siege one? Oh well, too bad, this new one doesn't actually do that".

I'd forgotten Netflix didn't get the double door. I really hope you aren't right about how they plan on handling the core class cassettes. That would be a real disappointment if they end up being super tiny figures with extras. I'm still using my TR Frumble duo as my main ones. The Siege ones are just too tiny for my liking.

Packaging concept art like this doesn't necessarily reflect how the toys will look. Need we bring up the Fossilizer art vs. the actual figures....?

I'm not convinced that the Soundwave release is in fact a re-release, the rumors are all over the place, and "pr" could be truncation rather than "package refresh." I need to see Blaster before I'm going to jump to any conclusions, and that should be happening sooner than later one way or another.

hopefully the exclusive pulse show thing will be where the good stuff is at (& just maybe a second Hasbro D&D figure after a whole year has passed XD). I'm happy to save money not wanting a lot from Legacy as it stands but it would be nice to be excited for something for a change.

blackeyedprime wrote:hopefully the exclusive pulse show thing will be where the good stuff is at (& just maybe a second Hasbro D&D figure after a whole year has passed XD). I'm happy to save money not wanting a lot from Legacy as it stands but it would be nice to be excited for something for a change.

I would keep expectations very low. The only tease so far is for a Ghostbusters Proton Pack, rumored as a HasLab product.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm not convinced that the Soundwave release is in fact a re-release, the rumors are all over the place, and "pr" could be truncation rather than "package refresh." I need to see Blaster before I'm going to jump to any conclusions, and that should be happening sooner than later one way or another.

I can see Blaster being his own mold and them still re-releasing Soundwave from the Netflix/Siege line. I tend to er on the side of caution here. Will has already provided great reasons as to why it could be a repackage, so if we expect that but do indeed get different, then all the better. Prepare for the worst as they say.

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm not convinced that the Soundwave release is in fact a re-release, the rumors are all over the place, and "pr" could be truncation rather than "package refresh." I need to see Blaster before I'm going to jump to any conclusions, and that should be happening sooner than later one way or another.

I can see Blaster being his own mold and them still re-releasing Soundwave from the Netflix/Siege line. I tend to er on the side of caution here. Will has already provided great reasons as to why it could be a repackage, so if we expect that but do indeed get different, then all the better. Prepare for the worst as they say.

If the PR isn't "Package Refresh", then wouldn't it be logical to conclude it would be Prime Soundwave, which opens up a whole other kettle of fish?

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm not convinced that the Soundwave release is in fact a re-release, the rumors are all over the place, and "pr" could be truncation rather than "package refresh." I need to see Blaster before I'm going to jump to any conclusions, and that should be happening sooner than later one way or another.

I can see Blaster being his own mold and them still re-releasing Soundwave from the Netflix/Siege line. I tend to er on the side of caution here. Will has already provided great reasons as to why it could be a repackage, so if we expect that but do indeed get different, then all the better. Prepare for the worst as they say.

If the PR isn't "Package Refresh", then wouldn't it be logical to conclude it would be Prime Soundwave, which opens up a whole other kettle of fish?

You mean how they would G1-ify Drone Soundwave?

ZeroWolf wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm not convinced that the Soundwave release is in fact a re-release, the rumors are all over the place, and "pr" could be truncation rather than "package refresh." I need to see Blaster before I'm going to jump to any conclusions, and that should be happening sooner than later one way or another.

I can see Blaster being his own mold and them still re-releasing Soundwave from the Netflix/Siege line. I tend to er on the side of caution here. Will has already provided great reasons as to why it could be a repackage, so if we expect that but do indeed get different, then all the better. Prepare for the worst as they say.

If the PR isn't "Package Refresh", then wouldn't it be logical to conclude it would be Prime Soundwave, which opens up a whole other kettle of fish?

You mean how they would G1-ify Drone Soundwave?

Not sure how you would pull that one off, but you definitely have a point.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You mean how they would G1-ify Drone Soundwave?

Not sure how you would pull that one off, but you definitely have a point.

I dread seeing the resulting mess of a Prime Soundwave.
But I'm looking forward to the REAL character the pretool will be intended for.