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That first page has some of the worst composition I've ever seen. Aside from the hands, what are we looking at? Where are the sight lines??

QUICKSWITCH

Finally have a good reason to own his toy fiction wise, not that he has a bad toy either. Nice to see him brought in. And Wheeljack and Breakdown are good too.

A small plus, but finally it's there.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:QUICKSWITCH

Finally have a good reason to own his toy fiction wise, not that he has a bad toy either. Nice to see him brought in. And Wheeljack and Breakdown are good too.

A small plus, but finally it's there.

Has he not been in IDWverse til now?

Sixshot was introduced way back in 2006, after all.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:QUICKSWITCH

Finally have a good reason to own his toy fiction wise, not that he has a bad toy either. Nice to see him brought in. And Wheeljack and Breakdown are good too.

A small plus, but finally it's there.

Has he not been in IDWverse til now?

Sixshot was introduced way back in 2006, after all.

He showed up once in a flashback in OP issue 1, but this is the first time he is on screen and speaking

The two main Six Changers appearing over a decade apart?

The jumbled nature of IDWverse pooling characters from every continuity has always confused me.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The two main Six Changers appearing over a decade apart?

The jumbled nature of IDWverse pooling characters from every continuity has always confused me.

Every character that has ever existed is fair game, no matter the source material. And Sixshot is really the only well known (I use the term loosely even in his case) six-changer, so it's not terribly surprising for me to see Quickswitch appear this late in the game. And it is fun that he gets to appear at all, it helps get the obscure characters some actual screen time

Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

True. The only two shown to be Uber-Powerful in IDWverse are Prime and Megatron. A joke in itself at times.

Better hope he doesn't show up for a few panels then becomes the latest victim in IDW's efforts to put over Visionaries.

This was the comic I tried to find the RI cover for. Got it on Ebay for just under $11. I'm pretty happy with that.

The story still isn't all that great though.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

If you want to talk other possible crossovers, there MAY be a thread about it already, if not, feel free to start one and take it there folks.
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Nevermind, I did the annoying-time-consuming-piss-me-off-split-posts-into-a-new-topic thing.

partholon wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.

Even so, I hope Burn is right and we don't get a quick hi and bye for Quickswitch, though I fear he will die just because he is the guy who will almost succeed but then fail only for Primus to save the day sort of thing.

Well heres the thing, we know that the good guys will survive this...or at least win this as I'm guessing the events of op happen afterwards, since none of the cast have mentioned that onyx has turned up to say hi...though that would be a fun ending if onyx just appeared and stopped the darkling lords plan with ease. Would also be fun if somehow this was part of a plan by the liege maximo

I don't see how this can end with any of the Visionaries left on Cybertron?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

partholon wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.

Oh this was all lazy retcon stuff? Although I do recall at least Ratchet discussing his unique core, I thought I'd have to dig out Spotlight Sixshot and Devastation again for information on 'ununtrium' and 'point one percenters'. As I loathe retcon, it will be duly ignored.

I love pork sausages, I have them for breakfast once or twice a week, it's kinda like a treat for me.

So this morning I sat down to have some pork sausages for breakfast, and to read Transformers vs Visionaries issue #4. I knew what I was getting into, I even told myself "don't do this, you won't enjoy your breakfast". But I didn't listen and continued forward on my path of self-torture.

Which hey, turns out, Witterquick and Mortdred are getting tortured too! So at least I'm not alone in my suffering.



Anyhoo ... really, just another bland issue, which I thought was actually the last issue in this series, imagine my disappointment when I discovered there's actually another issue. HUZZAH! Another chance for self-torture!

The plot, as we all know, magical talisman thingy heading to core of Cybertron to trigger magic stuff to turn Cybertron into new human for squishy magical beings. And then there's the magic countering thingy. That's where we left off last issue?



Yeah ... not much happens there. It's mostly about the Visionaries standing around being evil or emo.

What I don't get though is why they need to secure the anti-magic bomb to the outside of Quickswitch when Wheeljack and Ironhide ride inside him. Why not just carry it? That's just ... ugh. It makes no sense!

But hey, at least we get to see Quickswitch! You know, that OTHER six-changer? Yeah, he's dead.



This issue didn't send me into fanboy rage like the first issue did. Maybe I'm over it? Maybe the writers are over it and are just going through the motions? Maybe the thought of the whole universe ending makes me think they can do whatever they want, it's all going away soon?



Overall, meh. It's an issue that moves the story line along at a snails pace.

Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

ZeroWolf wrote:Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

If this new TF universe results in separate universes for all the other franchises, getting Visionaries off the ground after this train wreck will not be an easy task.

Burn wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

If this new TF universe results in separate universes for all the other franchises, getting Visionaries off the ground after this train wreck will not be an easy task.

True, though I don't believe that they are abandoning the shared universe just yet but either way I've got a good idea on how to really do a visionaries revival...game of thrones, visionaries style. It would be a hit if done just right, all the elements are there. They would just have to pretend this didn't exist

I ain’t phased. Not because it’s the end or it’s this series. As I’ve said I’m enjoying the series just fine. Getting upset over Quickswitch is like getting upset over a micromaster. He was literally no one. It’s not like Ratbat in issue 2 of RID of trailbreaker in MTMTE or even a throttlebot in OP

I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Va'al wrote:I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”

Looking at it in that respect, Simon furman has a lot in common with Yoshiyuki "kill'em all" Tomino, creator and mass murderer of the mobile suit gundam franchise

I do love the end of the review that says the story is moving yet at a snails pace. MEANWHILE 74 issues later in MTMTE/LL were finally reaching Cyberutopia not because of story progression but due to macguffins and convenient coincidences but we’re gonna praise that a lot more for...things and...stuff.

I’m just playing devils advocate but let’s not kid ourselves, were not reaching the end because of the story. The warren, something getaway decides to bring up years after joining the crew that can get them there is conveniently able to reach cyberutopia in moments and Rodimus crew also conveniently discovered it because that’s what they were flying into are all now where it’s going. And scorponok is also using this thing because he is part of this plot.

I mean come on now.

Randomhero wrote:

Va'al wrote:I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”

I take your points, but still see a lot of this as unnecessary in a series that is supposed to be a crossover. Taking characters from the 'other franchise' in your series just to use them as redshirts is just a bit.. lazy? I dunno. As I said, I'm not angry, just pftfptft about it all.

Va'al wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Va'al wrote:I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”

I take your points, but still see a lot of this as unnecessary in a series that is supposed to be a crossover. Taking characters from the 'other franchise' in your series just to use them as redshirts is just a bit.. lazy? I dunno. As I said, I'm not angry, just pftfptft about it all.

They needed a big name. Talking about Kup. I got it. Do I like it? Not really but it was necessary.

It wasn’t gonna be a visionary because and I’m sorry NOBODY CARES ABOUT VISIONARIES. Nobody! They needed a big name to get a hook and they did it.

That’s what this series is so notorious for. Starting off with killing kup. And “terrible designs that ruined people’s love for visionaries.” Don’t give me that. It was a failed cartoon and failed toyline.

Randomhero wrote:People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

The main TF books are on-goings. The pace of it is going to fluctuate. And if characters die in it, it's done to advance the story.

This is a 5 issue series. You would expect something to happen with each book. But very little happened with this issue. Hell, we didn't even get Waspinator and look at how the previous book ended! So far we've now lost 2.5 Transformers to characters and a franchise that no one cares about. That's why I'm pissed and it's why others are pissed as well. Pointless deaths to further a pointless story.

Especially a pointless story that was meant to introduce the visionaries to the hasbroverse yet is about to be rebooted.

ZeroWolf wrote:Especially a pointless story that was meant to introduce the visionaries to the hasbroverse yet is about to be rebooted.

Which means I suppose I should get over the death of Kup and drop my fanboy raging.

But fuck it ... this is a shit series. It's down there with Transformers/Avengers.

Ugh when I said in a different thread that ahm was the worst idw had done, I had completely forgotten that book existed.

Thanks burn -_- I thought I'd managed to erase it from my memory

I made you remember suffering? Excellent ...

Burn wrote:I made you remember suffering? Excellent ...

Suffering? If only, Avengers/transformers is banned under the Geneva convention as a form of torture

Burn wrote:

Randomhero wrote:People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

The main TF books are on-goings. The pace of it is going to fluctuate. And if characters die in it, it's done to advance the story.

This is a 5 issue series. You would expect something to happen with each book. But very little happened with this issue. Hell, we didn't even get Waspinator and look at how the previous book ended! So far we've now lost 2.5 Transformers to characters and a franchise that no one cares about. That's why I'm pissed and it's why others are pissed as well. Pointless deaths to further a pointless story.

Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

Also in wreckers, things didn’t really start kicking off till 3rd to fourth issue, first couple are set ups. Likes this.

Stuff did happen in this book. Wheeljack finalized his plan to stop the talisman and they headed down to stop in. The good visionaries and autobots are together to save the planet. A lot happens.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.

Randomhero wrote:Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

But AGAIN, that was a Transformers centric book.

This is meant to be a crossover, but so far the story has basically revolved around a Visionaries civil war, with guest appearances from Transformers, two of which have been killed and another twisted.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.

I NEVER said I didn't want it from the get go. I was willing, and gave the book a chance.

Burn wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

But AGAIN, that was a Transformers centric book.

This is meant to be a crossover, but so far the story has basically revolved around a Visionaries civil war, with guest appearances from Transformers, two of which have been killed and another twisted.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.

I NEVER said I didn't want it from the get go. I was willing, and gave the book a chance.

Rom vs Transformers killed a Magnus and killed a bunch of space knights. Theres a cross over event. Revolutionaries killed razorclaw and in a way Predaking and Bugley. Again, cross over.

And of course it’s very centered around the visionaries because nobody knows any of them and they gotta take the time to introduce these characters. I’m not gonna blame the book and not caring becuase we know it’s all ending in 5 months becuase i think it’s pretty obvious the end wasn’t really planned with this series first created

That's surely the point though that burns trying to make. Transformers are just fodder in this story designed to push visionaries. It's like this if it were a slogan "come for the transformers, stay for the visionaries" but it hasn't worked out like that. At least not in my opinion anyway.

What the heck man? I don't like this series, why do I have to justify that to you?

There is literally NOTHING you can say that will change my mind on this book, so why are you so hell bent on proving my OPINION is wrong?

ZeroWolf wrote:That's surely the point though that burns trying to make. Transformers are just fodder in this story designed to push visionaries. It's like this if it were a slogan "come for the transformers, stay for the visionaries" but it hasn't worked out like that. At least not in my opinion anyway.

And the 1986 movie used the entire 84 cast as canon fodder to push the new 1987 toys. Do you hate that too?

Burn wrote:What the heck man? I don't like this series, why do I have to justify that to you?

There is literally NOTHING you can say that will change my mind on this book, so why are you so hell bent on proving my OPINION is wrong?

Becuase your review sucked and was half assed as your claim the comic is.

‘Nothing happens in this, this book isn’t good’

Wheeljack creates something to stop the talisman, the good visionaries are preparing to battle to save their species and the planet, the alliance heads down to stop Armageddon, an Autobot sacrifices himself for the greater good of his species, and villains seem to stop them on a cliffhanger for the next issue.

Can’t wait for the next review, I’m gonna make the assumption it’s gonna go like this

‘I didn’t like this issue and I didn’t like this series with the same complaints copied and pasted from the previous reviews about how. I have I didn’t like’

Good review!

Randomhero wrote:Becuase your review sucked and was half assed as your claim the comic is.

Let me explain something to you.

I fucking know it sucked. It was NEVER meant to be a review. Va'al and ScottyP approached me and asked me if they could use it. I explained to them it wasn't a review, it was not meant to be a review, but they felt it conveyed what they wanted to say and didn't want to have to type up a review of their own.

So after great reluctance on my part (because I knew stupid crap like this would happen) I agreed to let them news it.

Thanks for making me regret that decision. I forgot how wrong it is to have an opinion that differs from others around here.

By all means, if you think you can do better, then feel free to do a series review once issue 5 comes out. If you're interested, contact Va'al about it.

Randomhero wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:That's surely the point though that burns trying to make. Transformers are just fodder in this story designed to push visionaries. It's like this if it were a slogan "come for the transformers, stay for the visionaries" but it hasn't worked out like that. At least not in my opinion anyway.

And the 1986 movie used the entire 84 cast as canon fodder to push the new 1987 toys. Do you hate that too?

Problem is that example is of Transformers being fodder for other transformers (and that decision is controversial in some circles still). The revolutions example was closer I felt. There's not a lot to like here (my opinion) but if you do like then that's completely fine don't feel like you have to overwhelming defend it as this is just different opinions going off each other. If you're arguing for equal treatment across all the books that's going to be a struggle as our tastes are all going to be different

Burn wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Becuase your review sucked and was half assed as your claim the comic is.

Let me explain something to you.

I **** know it sucked. It was NEVER meant to be a review. Va'al and ScottyP approached me and asked me if they could use it. I explained to them it wasn't a review, it was not meant to be a review, but they felt it conveyed what they wanted to say and didn't want to have to type up a review of their own.

So after great reluctance on my part (because I knew stupid crap like this would happen) I agreed to let them news it.

Thanks for making me regret that decision. I forgot how wrong it is to have an opinion that differs from others around here.

By all means, if you think you can do better, then feel free to do a series review once issue 5 comes out. If you're interested, contact Va'al about it.

By all means, Randomhero, come be an ass towards me too, as I specifically asked Burn for this, edited it to include images, and newsed it up.

I say this again: I WOULD'VE SAID THE EXACT SAME THINGS, JUST WORDIER. And I could not be bothered, by that point.

Seems like with the end of the current continuity on the horizon people are saying what they really and truly feel about IDW’s garbage. IDW has been crap since the beginning. I can’t express to you what a step down it was going from Dreamwave to IDWs slow snail-like pace. This issue was unreasonable. I’m mad that I read this review because now I have a craving for a BLT with pork bacon... which they don’t serve in my neighborhood.

The disgruntled always have something to say, never happy with anything. In decades gone by they would have been rightly ignored. Another sign of how dire this era is, when such people are not only listened to but pandered to also. People hide their rudeness and embitterment behind the mere word "opinion". Which isn't always the case. Not everything said is opinion, sometimes they are just comments, statements made to illicit attention and reaction. Adults that never learned how to grow up, nor to treat others, stranger or not, with manners and respect.

But I digress. The main problem with this crossover seems to stem from it's central premise: It shouldn't have been set on present day Cybertron. Visionaries was a post-apocalyptic series. A former technological civilisation rebuilt within a medieval framework. None of that includes Mad Max visuals or a haphazard conceit about magical macguffins on Cybertron. Send a handful of Transformers to Their world, as they used the Arthurian template in Sunbow. That would have worked.

So out of this and the Avengers crossover, which is worse? I'd say both are equally appalling and reflect marketing driven cash -ins without substance or merit.

I love irony.



In all honesty, I have no idea in how the series will end, as we have nothing about anything given to us in the penultimate issue about any sort of climax. Sure, Merklynn is evil and manipulative. There's magic which is bad in Cybertron. Thrustinator is somehow there, Kup and Quickswitch are not. Probably everyone is doublecrossing everyone else.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But I digress. The main problem with this crossover seems to stem from it's central premise: It shouldn't have been set on present day Cybertron. Visionaries was a post-apocalyptic series. A former technological civilisation rebuilt within a medieval framework. None of that includes Mad Max visuals or a haphazard conceit about magical macguffins on Cybertron. Send a handful of Transformers to Their world, as they used the Arthurian template in Sunbow. That would have worked.

A post-apocalyptic Cybertron with scattered Transformers fighting with what they have left against a new group that wants to populate the planet with their race? That's a story that could ask why the TF deserve their planet, why this new group wants to live there, and how the TF war affected their position. Even hints of the post war event (Unicron singularity or whatever) can be scattered as a way of hinting what may have happened.

There's ways to do it.

AlphaBass wrote:There's ways to do it.

Agreed. They don't seem to have been thought through in this book however.