D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.
But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.
And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes
partholon wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.
But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.
And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes
actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?
i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)
kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).
if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:partholon wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.
But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.
And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes
actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?
i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)
kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).
if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.
While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.
ZeroWolf wrote:Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.
Burn wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.
If this new TF universe results in separate universes for all the other franchises, getting Visionaries off the ground after this train wreck will not be an easy task.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Va'al wrote:I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.
I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.
Randomhero wrote:Va'al wrote:I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.
I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.
Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.
People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.
Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”
Va'al wrote:Randomhero wrote:Va'al wrote:I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.
I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.
Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.
People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.
Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”
I take your points, but still see a lot of this as unnecessary in a series that is supposed to be a crossover. Taking characters from the 'other franchise' in your series just to use them as redshirts is just a bit.. lazy? I dunno. As I said, I'm not angry, just pftfptft about it all.
Randomhero wrote:People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.
ZeroWolf wrote:Especially a pointless story that was meant to introduce the visionaries to the hasbroverse yet is about to be rebooted.
Burn wrote:I made you remember suffering? Excellent ...
Burn wrote:Randomhero wrote:People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.
The main TF books are on-goings. The pace of it is going to fluctuate. And if characters die in it, it's done to advance the story.
This is a 5 issue series. You would expect something to happen with each book. But very little happened with this issue. Hell, we didn't even get Waspinator and look at how the previous book ended! So far we've now lost 2.5 Transformers to characters and a franchise that no one cares about. That's why I'm pissed and it's why others are pissed as well. Pointless deaths to further a pointless story.
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