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[Burn]

Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

But AGAIN, that was a Transformers centric book.

This is meant to be a crossover, but so far the story has basically revolved around a Visionaries civil war, with guest appearances from Transformers, two of which have been killed and another twisted.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.

I NEVER said I didn't want it from the get go. I was willing, and gave the book a chance.

[Randomhero]

Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

But AGAIN, that was a Transformers centric book.

This is meant to be a crossover, but so far the story has basically revolved around a Visionaries civil war, with guest appearances from Transformers, two of which have been killed and another twisted.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.

I NEVER said I didn't want it from the get go. I was willing, and gave the book a chance.

Rom vs Transformers killed a Magnus and killed a bunch of space knights. Theres a cross over event. Revolutionaries killed razorclaw and in a way Predaking and Bugley. Again, cross over.

[Randomhero]

And of course it’s very centered around the visionaries because nobody knows any of them and they gotta take the time to introduce these characters. I’m not gonna blame the book and not caring becuase we know it’s all ending in 5 months becuase i think it’s pretty obvious the end wasn’t really planned with this series first created

[ZeroWolf]

That's surely the point though that burns trying to make. Transformers are just fodder in this story designed to push visionaries. It's like this if it were a slogan "come for the transformers, stay for the visionaries" but it hasn't worked out like that. At least not in my opinion anyway.

[Burn]

What the heck man? I don't like this series, why do I have to justify that to you?

There is literally NOTHING you can say that will change my mind on this book, so why are you so hell bent on proving my OPINION is wrong?

[Randomhero]

That's surely the point though that burns trying to make. Transformers are just fodder in this story designed to push visionaries. It's like this if it were a slogan "come for the transformers, stay for the visionaries" but it hasn't worked out like that. At least not in my opinion anyway.

And the 1986 movie used the entire 84 cast as canon fodder to push the new 1987 toys. Do you hate that too?

[Randomhero]

What the heck man? I don't like this series, why do I have to justify that to you?

There is literally NOTHING you can say that will change my mind on this book, so why are you so hell bent on proving my OPINION is wrong?

Becuase your review sucked and was half assed as your claim the comic is.

‘Nothing happens in this, this book isn’t good’

Wheeljack creates something to stop the talisman, the good visionaries are preparing to battle to save their species and the planet, the alliance heads down to stop Armageddon, an Autobot sacrifices himself for the greater good of his species, and villains seem to stop them on a cliffhanger for the next issue.

Can’t wait for the next review, I’m gonna make the assumption it’s gonna go like this

‘I didn’t like this issue and I didn’t like this series with the same complaints copied and pasted from the previous reviews about how. I have I didn’t like’

Good review!

[Burn]

Becuase your review sucked and was half assed as your claim the comic is.

Let me explain something to you.

I **** know it sucked. It was NEVER meant to be a review. Va'al and ScottyP approached me and asked me if they could use it. I explained to them it wasn't a review, it was not meant to be a review, but they felt it conveyed what they wanted to say and didn't want to have to type up a review of their own.

So after great reluctance on my part (because I knew stupid crap like this would happen) I agreed to let them news it.

Thanks for making me regret that decision. I forgot how wrong it is to have an opinion that differs from others around here.

By all means, if you think you can do better, then feel free to do a series review once issue 5 comes out. If you're interested, contact Va'al about it.

[ZeroWolf]

That's surely the point though that burns trying to make. Transformers are just fodder in this story designed to push visionaries. It's like this if it were a slogan "come for the transformers, stay for the visionaries" but it hasn't worked out like that. At least not in my opinion anyway.

And the 1986 movie used the entire 84 cast as canon fodder to push the new 1987 toys. Do you hate that too?

Problem is that example is of Transformers being fodder for other transformers (and that decision is controversial in some circles still). The revolutions example was closer I felt. There's not a lot to like here (my opinion) but if you do like then that's completely fine don't feel like you have to overwhelming defend it as this is just different opinions going off each other. If you're arguing for equal treatment across all the books that's going to be a struggle as our tastes are all going to be different

[Va'al]

Becuase your review sucked and was half assed as your claim the comic is.

Let me explain something to you.

I **** know it sucked. It was NEVER meant to be a review. Va'al and ScottyP approached me and asked me if they could use it. I explained to them it wasn't a review, it was not meant to be a review, but they felt it conveyed what they wanted to say and didn't want to have to type up a review of their own.

So after great reluctance on my part (because I knew stupid crap like this would happen) I agreed to let them news it.

Thanks for making me regret that decision. I forgot how wrong it is to have an opinion that differs from others around here.

By all means, if you think you can do better, then feel free to do a series review once issue 5 comes out. If you're interested, contact Va'al about it.

By all means, Randomhero, come be an ass towards me too, as I specifically asked Burn for this, edited it to include images, and newsed it up.

I say this again: I WOULD'VE SAID THE EXACT SAME THINGS, JUST WORDIER. And I could not be bothered, by that point.

[1984forever]

Seems like with the end of the current continuity on the horizon people are saying what they really and truly feel about IDW’s garbage. IDW has been crap since the beginning. I can’t express to you what a step down it was going from Dreamwave to IDWs slow snail-like pace. This issue was unreasonable. I’m mad that I read this review because now I have a craving for a BLT with pork bacon... which they don’t serve in my neighborhood.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

The disgruntled always have something to say, never happy with anything. In decades gone by they would have been rightly ignored. Another sign of how dire this era is, when such people are not only listened to but pandered to also. People hide their rudeness and embitterment behind the mere word "opinion". Which isn't always the case. Not everything said is opinion, sometimes they are just comments, statements made to illicit attention and reaction. Adults that never learned how to grow up, nor to treat others, stranger or not, with manners and respect.

But I digress. The main problem with this crossover seems to stem from it's central premise: It shouldn't have been set on present day Cybertron. Visionaries was a post-apocalyptic series. A former technological civilisation rebuilt within a medieval framework. None of that includes Mad Max visuals or a haphazard conceit about magical macguffins on Cybertron. Send a handful of Transformers to Their world, as they used the Arthurian template in Sunbow. That would have worked.

So out of this and the Avengers crossover, which is worse? I'd say both are equally appalling and reflect marketing driven cash -ins without substance or merit.

[Va'al]

I love irony.



In all honesty, I have no idea in how the series will end, as we have nothing about anything given to us in the penultimate issue about any sort of climax. Sure, Merklynn is evil and manipulative. There's magic which is bad in Cybertron. Thrustinator is somehow there, Kup and Quickswitch are not. Probably everyone is doublecrossing everyone else.

[AlphaBass]

But I digress. The main problem with this crossover seems to stem from it's central premise: It shouldn't have been set on present day Cybertron. Visionaries was a post-apocalyptic series. A former technological civilisation rebuilt within a medieval framework. None of that includes Mad Max visuals or a haphazard conceit about magical macguffins on Cybertron. Send a handful of Transformers to Their world, as they used the Arthurian template in Sunbow. That would have worked.

A post-apocalyptic Cybertron with scattered Transformers fighting with what they have left against a new group that wants to populate the planet with their race? That's a story that could ask why the TF deserve their planet, why this new group wants to live there, and how the TF war affected their position. Even hints of the post war event (Unicron singularity or whatever) can be scattered as a way of hinting what may have happened.

There's ways to do it.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

There's ways to do it.

Agreed. They don't seem to have been thought through in this book however.

[ZeroWolf]

There's ways to do it.

Agreed. They don't seem to have been thought through in this book however.

True, it almost like it could have been visionaries vs anything, all you would do is swap out your preferred alien race and you would have gotten almost the same story. Though a future setting may have been more problematic as it was supposed to set visionaries up in the hasbroverse for the here and now so they could have been used in the other comics. Of course I'm waiting for the revelation that Unicron destroyed their original home...

[AlphaBass]

Could've taken over a moon. Impact might be muted, but it would allow them to exist without the obvious "this apocalypse ain't happening before Unicron" event.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Also, if they truly wanted to push Visionaries, cash in on that nostalgia, the radical revamp in visual design and characterisation wasn't the way to go either.

[ZeroWolf]

I think the fact they were redesigned is evidence that they gauged there to be little interest in a old fashioned visionaries series so an attempt to appeal to new fans were made, hence the visionaries got their g2..which has also flopped by the looks, I expect another new series of designs in the new continuity

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I think the fact they were redesigned is evidence that they gauged there to be little interest in a old fashioned visionaries series so an attempt to appeal to new fans were made, hence the visionaries got their g2..which has also flopped by the looks, I expect another new series of designs in the new continuity

If they aren't shelved altogether, as a result of the reaction to this series.

[ZeroWolf]

I think the fact they were redesigned is evidence that they gauged there to be little interest in a old fashioned visionaries series so an attempt to appeal to new fans were made, hence the visionaries got their g2..which has also flopped by the looks, I expect another new series of designs in the new continuity

If they aren't shelved altogether, as a result of the reaction to this series.

While certainly possible I don't think it's too likely as they have the license,;might as well use it, even if now it's just guest appearances like in an Rom issue he visits the visionaries home world where direwraiths are teaming up with the badguys

[Daniel Adkins]

Who knows if Rom will even get another shot now that Ryall isn’t there anymore.

[ScottyP]

If you don't like Burn's non-review being used as a review then get on my case, not his. Actually, get on neither of us, points have been made at this, well, point

Rom vs Transformers killed a Magnus and killed a bunch of space knights. Theres a cross over event. Revolutionaries killed razorclaw and in a way Predaking and Bugley. Again, cross over.

These are all poor examples to support your point and I can explain why I feel so.

Magnus had been established to be a suit of armor in IDW, with several owners over the years due to "Ultra Magnus" dying. A lot. When Rom vs TFs killed Convoy, it fit with established precedent while allowing the creative team some narrative freedom and felxibility.

Bugly was John Barber fixing a perceived plot hole from 2008 (Or maybe a real one, it has been a long time) while also effectively advancing the plot of Revolutionaries.

Finally, Razorclaw is not confirmed as dead. At this point it doesn't look like this will really matter anyhow. Wherever they were going with the Predacons following Von Rani is clearly not getting got to.

Quickswitch didn't bother me personally because he was an obvious redshirt with no prior appearances in this continuity, and really Quickswitch is a d-level uncharacter anyhow. Kup bothered me because outside of shock value, there was little point in offing a well-developed, very loved character at that point of the story. Put Quickswitch there and have them use some regular old non sentient drill tank and what really changes?

[Sunstar]

Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

But AGAIN, that was a Transformers centric book.

This is meant to be a crossover, but so far the story has basically revolved around a Visionaries civil war, with guest appearances from Transformers, two of which have been killed and another twisted.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.

I NEVER said I didn't want it from the get go. I was willing, and gave the book a chance.

Rom vs Transformers killed a Magnus and killed a bunch of space knights. Theres a cross over event. Revolutionaries killed razorclaw and in a way Predaking and Bugley. Again, cross over.

Yeah, but the story was decent.

Edit: I could quite merrily live with a continuation of the rom transformers universe.

[Big Grim]

Edit: I could quite merrily live with a continuation of the rom transformers universe.

As could I. I really enjoyed Rom Vs Transformers. I felt it fit well.