Notes from Planned Filming of Transformers 7 in Peru Hints at a Very High Robot to Human Ratio

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A big problem for several fans in the live action films is how the Transformers are often times secondary characters in their own movies, with many human characters. While this is due to how costly the effects are, along with the POV style of shooting/mayhem Michael Bay deliberately chose for his films, the point still stands. The upcoming Transformers: Rise of the Beasts film seems to deviate from this, at least for the scenes shot in Peru. The Peruvian news site RPP reported documents detailing the 120 cast and crew members that will be on site for the filming in September and out of that list only 2 are actors. And since we know that key scenes of the film will take place in Peru, seeing such a low number of actors means the rest of the characters are CGI. It has been suspected that this is the place where the film's mcguffin is found along with the Maximals so there will be scenes where humans are the minority. Or this could be a misinterpretation of the article (like maybe it's just 2 Peruvian actors integrating with the rest of the cast) or of the source the article is using. We'll see. Of course don't forget that there will be lots of humans in the Brooklyn segment including a job interview for the main character.

Notes from Planned Filming of Transformers 7 in Peru Hints at a Very High Robot to Human Ratio

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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 30, 2021

A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

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Comment by Deadput Aug 30, 2021

Lack of humans isn't an indicator that the robots magically become better characters.

The issue in the past is partially due to many human characters just not being good or annoying which makes one tolerate their presence less, I mean from what I could tell most people didn't have a problem with Lennox and Epps in at least the first film as characters which is probably because their roles in the films usually made sense as well as not being annoying.

Not sure if I'm just being bias in this case but I did love the Lennox team stuff in the first film, the attack from Blackout and then the desert stuff with Scorponok, that stuff wasn't just enjoyable because of the Decepticons but there were some good performances (imo) from the humans in this case.

Kinda going on a tangent but I guess my point is that just because we are seeing humans here doesn't mean that the film is going to have terrible robot presence, it's not like we are going to see actual Transformers on set outside of the vehicles and maybe some head on a stick props.

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Comment by First-Aid Aug 30, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

This is how it is for ANY large army. It seems that in the Bumblebee movie, B127 was his original designation and the Autobot lieutenants (higher command?) seemed to have more original style and names. It was the same with the 'Cons. That was one of the main issues with the G1 cartoon...you couldn't really have a REAL war becuase all the characters were named, incorporated, and important. In war, there are losses. Imagine millions of years of the kind of violence we saw in the cartoon movie...that one movie essentially wiped ALL the main characters we knew. There needs to be disposeable troops to demonstrate the losses of war, with the lieutenants/command structure demonstrating more customized styles, and thus names rather than designations.

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Comment by william-james88 Aug 30, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.

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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 30, 2021

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.

They also need to have likable personalities.

All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".

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Comment by william-james88 Aug 30, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
They also need to have likable personalities.

All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".

There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.

Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.

That film had more personalities than any of the other films.

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Comment by TulioDude Aug 30, 2021

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
They also need to have likable personalities.

All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".

There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.

Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.

That film had more personalities than any of the other films.

I agree with this.

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Comment by Autobot N Aug 30, 2021

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
They also need to have likable personalities.

All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".

There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.

Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.

That film had more personalities than any of the other films.

And Drift didn't seem either murder obsessed or a jerk

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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 30, 2021

Autobot N wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
They also need to have likable personalities.

All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".

There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.

Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.

That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
And Drift didn't seem either murder obsessed or a jerk

He did go all stabby stabby at that one alien who just startled him in Lockdown's ship.

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Comment by #1 Signal Lancer fan Aug 30, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

This is exactly the issue. Look at the Transformers TV series. Large or small casts of bots don't matter, what matters is the writing of the characters you choose to focus on.

There's nothing wrong with having big Decepticon armies, for example, the problem was that the robots they chose to focus on were poorly-developed and one-dimensional.

It's not about quantity or humans or quantity of robots, it's about the quality of both.

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Comment by william-james88 Aug 30, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:A large number of robots can still be lacking in personality, as seen in any big Decepticon army scenes from the previous movies.

Sure, but hopefully a few have personalities. I am personally optimistic for this film.
They also need to have likable personalities.

All five Autobots in AOE, for instance, had personality, but it was the same one: "Murder-obsessed jerk".

There were differences. Bumblebee and Hound were far more empathetic to humans than Crosshairs who didn't care.

Optimus felt like he was betrayed and was fed up of this world Ala Tommy Wiseau.

That film had more personalities than any of the other films.
And Drift didn't seem either murder obsessed or a jerk
He did go all stabby stabby at that one alien who just startled him in Lockdown's ship.

At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.

But guys, let's be frank, we turned a new leaf with the Bumblebee film. I highly doubt we will go back to the mindless inconsequential bots we got from the Bay era if the presentation the movie makers held on this film is any indication.

Then again, I did think of something. There are parts of the final act of The Last Knight where there are only 2 humans (Mark and Laura). Other characters like Isabella are in different shots, and the entire army team is on their base (along with buster Bluth). So we are going between lots of humans and lots of terrible jokes even though the central component of that scene only has 2 humans.

BUT once again, I am 100% certain this movie will be better than The Last Knight.

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Comment by Autobot N Aug 30, 2021

william-james88 wrote:BUT once again, I am 100% certain this movie will be better than The Last Knight.

There's no way this could be worse than TLK unless they do it deliberately

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Comment by william-james88 Aug 30, 2021

Autobot N wrote:
william-james88 wrote:BUT once again, I am 100% certain this movie will be better than The Last Knight.
There's no way this could be worse than TLK unless they do it deliberately

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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 30, 2021

william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.

I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.

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Comment by First-Aid Aug 31, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.

They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.

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Comment by william-james88 Aug 31, 2021

First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.

They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.

Do rednecks also have scottish accents?

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Comment by First-Aid Aug 31, 2021

william-james88 wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.

They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.

Do rednecks also have scottish accents?

Some do, yup. Remember, the definition of Redneck is a glorious absence of sophistication (full or part time). They had mullets and beards and Topspin had "shades" and a "ballcap" with his mullet.

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Comment by Sabrblade Aug 31, 2021

First-Aid wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.

They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.

Do rednecks also have scottish accents?

Some do, yup. Remember, the definition of Redneck is a glorious absence of sophistication (full or part time). They had mullets and beards and Topspin had "shades" and a "ballcap" with his mullet.

Don't forget Leadfoot's massive beer gut.

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Comment by Deadput Sep 1, 2021

I mean I would only say Leadfoot fits that bill to being close to offensive, and even then I would only consider the belly to fit the bill, but even then it's more like the car hood chests of characters like G1 Jazz/Prowl but lower down rather then being actually fat.

Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget Leadfoot's massive beer gut.

I mean as the above photo shows, it's not even obvious from certain angles so I wouldn't consider it massive by any means.

There isn't anything of a dead-ringer to that with Roadbuster and Topspin besides the vague shape of a ballcap, Mullet and "glasses" if you want to call the visors that.

For the actual stereotype nature of the Wreckers, it's really, really tame.

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Comment by First-Aid Sep 1, 2021

Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:At least you remember something he did. By contrast I watched DOTM twice and can't say what the wreckers did in that movie at all.
I remember one thing. They mutilated some dude.

They were offensive to rednecks and their culture.

Do rednecks also have scottish accents?

Some do, yup. Remember, the definition of Redneck is a glorious absence of sophistication (full or part time). They had mullets and beards and Topspin had "shades" and a "ballcap" with his mullet.
Don't forget Leadfoot's massive beer gut.