Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders

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Below you will see nice hi res images of the reveals we had today from Hasbro Pulse Con. Preorders are already up as well from a variety of retailers. Hasbro Pulse also now has the preorder up for the exclusive 2 pack of Alpha Trion and Orion Pax.

The non exclusive toys currently up for preorder with delivery dates of march 2023 are. The images below show us some gimmicks that were unexplored today like Leo Convoy's armed lion mode and Hotshot's canon made from his wheels (probably because, as with all gimmicks, they are more aimed towards kids than older fans).

Transformers Legacy Evolution Core Dinobot Slug
Transformers Legacy Evolution Core Dinobot Sludge
Transformers Legacy Evolution Core Soundblaster

Transformers Legacy Evolution Deluxe Breakdown
Transformers Legacy Evolution Deluxe Scraphook
Transformers Legacy Evolution Deluxe Armada Hot Shot
Transformers Legacy Evolution Deluxe Needlenose

Transformers Legacy Evolution Voyager Leo Prime
Transformers Legacy Evolution Voyager Tarn

If you are wondering, the "wave 1" leaders are repacks of Legacy year 1 leaders.

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Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146040)
Posted by Bounti76 on September 30th, 2022 @ 11:43pm CDT

So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146042)
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2022 @ 11:47pm CDT

Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy, just rather simple and straightforward).

Nemesis Primal wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So that Skar's a 6th Dinobot? Damn, so much for my hope that was gonna be re-do or 2-pack rerelease of Doubledealer's partners lol. Also, who not do Scorn? Oh well.
Because by doing Skar, who I've been told turns into an ankylosaurus, and making the torso out of Slug and Sludge as we've seen, they've now set themselves up with the necessary molds to repaint/retool this set of Core Dinos into the Dinoking crew. None of the Dinoking components turned into spinos like Scorn, but they did have an ankylosaurus.

While I see this too, I am tempering my expectations since this will be the SECOND time Hasbro teases a possible reuse of combining Dinobots into Dinoking. I still havent forgotten when they showed the weapon attachment on POTP Snarl to make him resemble Doryu and yet we never ever saw it again.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146043)
Posted by Bounti76 on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:00am CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146044)
Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:08am CDT

Bounti76 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146045)
Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:24am CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

Yeah, I got the feeling fans would be very upset about it. I could already imagine people feeling bummed out they're forking over Voyager price tag cash. Especially with Pointblank having already released at the Deluxe price tag.

I also wonder if non-hardcore fans would even care about the Targetmasters? I didn't see many people buying or caring about the Battle Masters alongside the Micromasters... (I loved both personally)

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146048)
Posted by Emerje on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:52am CDT

Cyber Bishop wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Till-all-R1 wrote:Next up is Needlenose, personally speaking I think the aesthetics on the CW version look better than this new version. I also think the timing if comical because I was just speaking about a potential Aerialbots redux and this bot certainly looks the part for reuse there.

Isn't his transformation upside down from the Aerialbots? Plus I don't think his wings can fold.

The CW Needlenose is a straight re-deco of Deluxe Class CW Firefly and that is exactly why I passed on him, wasn't impressive at all.

This new needlenose looks almost exact to his G1 counterpart.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Needlenose_(G1)

Ill take something original instead of a straight repaint anyday.

I think you might have glossed over the part where he said Legacy Needlenose would make a good base for a future Aerialbot, I was just pointing out that transformation is upside down and wouldn't really work for a properly accurate Aerialbot.

This hasn't grown on me at all. I think if they painted the eyes in it would look a little better, but that's not something they really do aside from Primal. Maybe the white plastic just isn't letting the camera pick up the details? Needs a wider muzzle like the box art.

Emerje

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146050)
Posted by Barricade.it on October 1st, 2022 @ 1:24am CDT

Scraphook looks quite good, Tarn is AWESOME! :shock:

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146053)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on October 1st, 2022 @ 1:45am CDT

Yeah, till now I've been easily avoiding the Junkions simply because I wasn't ever that big a fan of them and the whole limited space issue. But that Scraphook is definitely growing on me and might very well be my first Junkion purchase!

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say since a lot of these reveals are slated for 23 that we probably won't be getting anymore reveals until next year? Officially anyway. That way it gives them ample time to get shipped out before moving on to the next thing.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146054)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 1st, 2022 @ 1:51am CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Bounti76 wrote:So Needlenose is almost literally just his G1 figure with articulation? I guess the budget for Sunbeam and Zigzag ate up what might have otherwise gone to deco or more complexity in transformation.

100%, it's the same as what happened with Gen Scoop before him (not a bad toy)

True. Though while I don't think Needlenose is a bad toy, I can't help but notice that at least Scoop's Targetmasters had arm articulation. They could have at least added that on Sunbeam and Zigzag (and Peacemaker). Truth be told, I wouldn't have minded at all if they'd bumped up Needlenose and Pointblank to Voyager Class, so there was more of an engineering budget for both those figures and their Targetmasters (and a toy head option for Pointblank).

Sure you wouldn't have minded, but it's easy to imagine all that whining coming from fans who just see a deluxe sized toy in a voyager box. Personally, I am glad they found a way for this to fit within the deluxe price point, it leaves slots open for other characters in the voyager class.

For the record, when I say Needlenose should be voyager, I mean he should be physically bigger. I don't really care if his transformation doesn't change much. May be flatten out the underside kibble some? And I actually prefer battle-master-sized Targetmasters instead of what we'll be getting here. Same with Pointblank. I wouldn't have minded paying voyager price for a deluxe plus battlemaster in the same package. Should have gotten a BM Targetmaster, like Crosshairs did and Spinister did, even if they were parts of exclusive sets. Yes, I know that would open a whole new can of worms.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146056)
Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:15am CDT

Considering the scalped to hell prices of the Phantomstrike Squadron and Pinpointer being locked behind yet another Siege Megs repaint, I think I'm very much grateful we're getting the Targetmaster buddies bundled in so we don't have to track them down...
Hell, it was annoying even getting Singe, and he wasn't in either of those sets! He was regular retail and I couldn't find a single store that had any in stock.

I likewise prefer Needlenose being deluxe size rather than bigger - I think it'd make him look out of place amongst his Targetmaster buds. Cyclonus is allowed that because he was always shown to be taller than his mates.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146057)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:18am CDT

Well, I've finally seen something about Breakdown that I can say was a bad idea.

Taking some of his stock photos on a white background! Not as dumb as doing that with Skyfire, but still.

By the way, has anyone pointed out yet that poster!Hot Shot is blatantly based on the original toy? He's got car roof panels on his forearms and red Mini-Con hardpoints coming out of the spoiler.

Which are things that did not carry over to this version.

Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

Something the stock images didn't show but very obviously exists: Lio Convoy's Energon Matrix.

Note the hinge.
His stock photos do show more of the same idiocy seen in Breakdown's though!

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146058)
Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:23am CDT

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though. ;)^

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146060)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:41am CDT

SpaceEagle wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though.

Given how much this Hot Shot wrung out of the Deluxe budget as it is, it's probably for the best they didn't try to force Jolt as part of him. I think we are likely to see Jolt as part of a pack of some sort (most likely an SSROTF Arcee-type deal), especially with them having gone to the trouble of that Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers.

Will, regarding Dinoking... I think we do stand a decent chance of them actually going there this time. Doing Dinoking from the PotP Dinobot molds had PotP's truncation, the PotP molds (being four Deluxes and a Voyager) making for a costlier set, and people's dissatisfaction with CW Liokaiser working against it. This time around we're working with more momentum, and cheaper figures. Plus Selects is a thing that exists and has proven itself now.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146061)
Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:45am CDT

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
SpaceEagle wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Speaking of him, I cannot agree in the slightest with this version of Hot Shot being called "mid". It's more accurate overall than the Universe deluxe was, it actually comes with weapons no matter which country you get it from, it retains a Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers (so if we get Jolt & they don't botch his transformation like the Universe version did, or possibly also if you have the original Jolt, you can do the propeller thing), and it retains the axlezooka. My only gripe with the design is that he can't use the engine blaster as chest armor. I wish he was a Voyager so that he'd size better with OG Armada toys, but I love the design.

The Universe one was so close to nailing it IMO, as an older toy I'll at least give it the kudos that it was a nice update for the time - and as such I think the Legacy figure does a nice job at giving us an update for the now. Honestly if they included Jolt it would've already cemented itself as superior over the Universe version. Can't wait to see Jolt come out elsewhere and complete the set, though.
Given how much this Hot Shot wrung out of the Deluxe budget as it is, it's probably for the best they didn't try to force Jolt as part of him. I think we are likely to see Jolt as part of a pack of some sort (most likely an SSROTF Arcee-type deal), especially with them having gone to the trouble of that Mini-Con hardpoint between the spoilers.

Will, regarding Dinoking... I think we do stand a decent chance of them actually going there this time. Doing Dinoking from the PotP Dinobot molds had PotP's truncation, the PotP molds (being four Deluxes and a Voyager) making for a costlier set, and people's dissatisfaction with CW Liokaiser working against it. This time around we're working with a fresher start, more momentum, and cheaper figures.

Yeah, personally I'd like that SSROTF Arcee type approach because that means updated minicons, and who doesn't want more minicons?

But, yeah, I still think this is a very nice Hot Shot update, and I am honestly glad they actually got the Axelzooka in it as well.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146062)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:52am CDT

I think the lion head can be "saved" if I add some extra paint details:

- Light greenish/blueish-grey eyes, with black "mascara" and pupil with highlight (closer to the original toy, rather than the MP or cartoon version).

- Metallic gold paint on the yellow parts.

- Black velum on the inside of the lips and between nose and mouth.

- dark grey wash and lighter white highlights around eyes

- Metallic silver teeth

Here's a quick and dirty digital mock-up:

Lio Convoy.png

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146063)
Posted by Sculyblast on October 1st, 2022 @ 3:32am CDT

I am looking forward to the nemisis recolor.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146064)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:09am CDT

Sculyblast wrote:I am looking forward to the nemisis recolor.

That's not the Nemesis version, but rather the "Galva-Convoy" version:

- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Galva_Convoy

The "Nemesis" version is actually a black version called "Black Lio Convoy" :

-
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Black_Lio_Convoy

"A redeco of Lio Convoy, Black Lio Convoy sports the now-familiar black, silver, and teal color scheme which was later used for Robots in Disguise Scourge, Alternators Nemesis Prime and many, many other "evil" Optimus Primes. There is also a variant of this toy that comes with gold claws, which is harder to find than the normal version.Black Lio Convoy was a Toys"R"Us exclusive and came in a Lio Convoy box with a sticker indicating that it was "Black Lio Convoy". A special Lucky Draw version limited to 10 pieces was also released through Comic Bom Bom, which featured "BL-00" painted in white on his robo-butt.This toy is also used to represent the separate character of Black Lio Convoy..."

Beast_Wars-Black_Lio_Convoy.jpg

I wouldn't mind the anime version colours, which are inverted from the toy's colours.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146066)
Posted by MCutter on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:52am CDT

Has anyone pointed out Chopshop flying in among the Insecticon swarm? I'm guessing he'll be part of the next Buzzworthy 'collide' four-pack.

*edit: name of the four-pack

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146068)
Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 5:05am CDT

MCutter wrote:Has anyone pointed out Chopshop flying in among the Insecticon swarm? I'm guessing he'll be part of the next Buzzworthy 'across' four-pack.

Yeah, there was a mention about how all 7 of the Insecticons are there. I agree that they might make a pack of the remaining Deluxe Insecticons. ;)^

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146074)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 1st, 2022 @ 8:16am CDT

It looks like the A-Team got a hold of Mater and did their thing to beef him up for a confrontation and now we got Scraphook! :-P

But if someone offered me this Legacy Needlenose or the impressive looking one from before then what's to think about? But this Legacy version got shafted over the potential that could have been. Look how awesome Spinister turned out for the club release and his targetmasters/minions looked a hell of a lot better....'nuff said!

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146075)
Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2022 @ 8:18am CDT

Sculyblast wrote:I am looking forward to the nemisis recolor.

He'll be black and silver/grey

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146076)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 1st, 2022 @ 8:22am CDT

william-james88 wrote:
He'll be black and silver/grey

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146077)
Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2022 @ 8:43am CDT

Personally, if the budget from other toys were taken to ensure the awesomeness of the new junkion system, I'd say it was worth it

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146079)
Posted by Squawk'n'talk on October 1st, 2022 @ 9:46am CDT

I'd prefer a bigger toy for him, but I can totally see a Thunderwing out of that Needlenose. (different head and chestpiece)

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146082)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on October 1st, 2022 @ 11:29am CDT

I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.
I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look. So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.
I'm not sure how I feel about Lio Convoy. Someone mentioned the beats eyes earlier and I agree, they don't look right. At least give him some pupils.
We're getting pretty good Updates to G1 and Armada. Mediocre updates to Transformers Prime. I'm terrified to see what they might do with animated.
I feel like I'm really starting to loose interest in TF collecting.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146085)
Posted by Till-all-R1 on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:14pm CDT

Rodimus Prime wrote:For the record, when I say Needlenose should be voyager, I mean he should be physically bigger. I don't really care if his transformation doesn't change much. May be flatten out the underside kibble some?

I'm curious since it's already been stated here several times that Voyager doesn't mean "bigger bot" but simply more "engineering", so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Obviously Hasbro felt it was a better fit as a Deluxe bot for some reason, possibly because their Voyager slots were full and they wanted to get Needlenose out and had an open slot in Deluxe or they felt his transformation wasn't quite that complex. IDK TBH half the time I don't know how they arrive at their decisions as it seems mostly trivial as if they simply want to charge more for a certain mold, because to me a lot of the Voyager bots could pass for DLX based on some comparisons.

IMO I think one possibility is that they did intend for Needlenose to eventually become an Aerialbot because it would then fit the combiner structure of four DLX and one Leader, if there were a couple that were Voyagers it would seem to throw thing off a bit, right?

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146086)
Posted by M. Spector on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:15pm CDT

Time for me to chime in! Lots to cover here

Core Dinobots:
Theyre pretty cute, even if most dont seem to have elbows. Having them all conglomerate into Volcanicus is neat and i bet cha itll be more cohesive than the PoTP version

Breakdown:
Defiantly got the short end of the stick here, shame that couldnt remold even the two halves of the hood that fold out and kept the middle part. Not sure if i am going to get him Motormaster yet, Died End for sure tho

Needlenose:
Not a character Im familiar with and from the looks of the figure, not something a, going to pick up. Glad to see so many people are pumped about him

Hot Shot:
I actually had a an Aramda Hot Shot from a thrift store as a kid, this looks like a refined version of what the original toy couldnt be. Probs not going to get him either

Scraphook:
This seems to be the breakout star of the show and I agree. Mad max looking tow truck machine? Dont mind if i yes

Leo Prime:
Looks .. pretty good? Theres some uncanny valley stuff going on with his Lion mode head for sure

Tarn:
Fantastic, his vehicle mode doesnt look like ass, posability seems to be there, all around must have

Pretty interesting reveal season, probably the most curious one in recent times in terms of who the toys are of and the execution, what a time to be alive

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146087)
Posted by Sowndwave76 on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:17pm CDT

Rodimus Knight wrote:I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.
I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look. So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.
I'm not sure how I feel about Lio Convoy. Someone mentioned the beats eyes earlier and I agree, they don't look right. At least give him some pupils.
We're getting pretty good Updates to G1 and Armada. Mediocre updates to Transformers Prime. I'm terrified to see what they might do with animated.
I feel like I'm really starting to loose interest in TF collecting.

The Core Dinobot reveals are not good.
To put it very gentley. I had already said I knew there would be compromises at this scale, but wow.
I was hoping only one mode would suffer, but these are bad all-around.
Sludge’s legs don’t even attach are the bottom of the torso; they only appear to connect; the huge chunks off the sides of the pelvis are what connect the legs. So any bottom half bot poses for him are going to be “interesting” for sure.
Neither of these dino modes really have tails either, which is also a relatively big “miss”.
The gaps around Slag’s front legs also look really bad for that mode.
Obvsly these aren’t easy designs. I still expected more.
Minus the head sculpts, these look like crazy old attempts at TF toys.
I don’t know if even a good combined mode can make up for these sad figures.

Breakdown is a bit of a letdown, although the bot mode may be the best of the limb figures.
Put 2 on preorder through Amazon.

Everything else that was revealed is a pass for me, except maybe Tarn.
Figures like him and Jhiaxus are pretty appealing to me.
They’re different enough, but aren’t tied to some extra play gimmick.
Needlenose caught my eye, but he’s a maybe at best.

I didn’t think we’d see it before the end of 2023, but deluxe figure prices hitting $25 before tax (or shipping, depending on tbe retailer) is a real turn-off.
This is the main reason I’m happily anticipating the end of my collecting days.
It’s not so much that my interest has been lost, but is the juice worth the squeeze?
Nope.

I’ll keep saying it— once I have Snarl, Shrapnel, Bombshell, & Swoop, I’ll be checking out.
Sure there will be some “extras” before I cross the finish line, and those will all be nice to have.
But once I have those last 4 off of my “Most Wanted List”, I’ll be ready to dip.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146088)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:25pm CDT

Rodimus Knight wrote:I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.[/img]Might not have been workable with a Core-class budget, especially if their being there is also used for the combination.

I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look.

Probably like this, but with Volcanicus' head, and dinosaur beast heads & limbs instead of generic robot space monster beast heads and limbs.

Slag's beast head ends up as the chestplate just like Kakuryu's does, so that's one match already.

Rodimus Knight wrote:So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.

Swoop's wingspan relative to his body size, and his having pterosaur wings instead of bird wings, mean that that might not work as well as you'd think. I know that with PotP it would have ended up looking rather Bulk Biceps-ish. :lol:

Rodimus Knight wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about Lio Convoy. Someone mentioned the beats eyes earlier and I agree, they don't look right. At least give him some pupils.

It looks better if you think of them as glowing gold like the boxart depicts. Given what else is made of that gold, it may be unpaintable plastic. Although that does raise the question of if there was room for the beast eyes on the white sprue.

Rodimus Knight wrote:We're getting pretty good Updates to G1 and Armada. Mediocre updates to Transformers Prime.

I'd say one of the Armada updates (Starscream) is also mediocre due to the sword. And the other two (Optimus and Megs) are as yet unknown quantities.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I'm terrified to see what they might do with animated.

As am I. At this point I hope the only thing that comes of that Animated space bridge is reissues, because I don't trust them to do new figures right (not to mention I don't want another rabbit hole opened up..)

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146090)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:31pm CDT

I could honestly see Prowl either being Animated, G1, or IDW, but if that really is a muscle car and not just a customized Junkion, I definitely think Animated will be repped by at least Lockdown, probably through Selects. Prowl and Lockdown are the two character who have the biggest history with modifying themseleves (Prowl's armor, Lockdown's... Lockdown) and including them in a line where that's part of the gimmick just makes sense

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Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:45pm CDT

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I could honestly see Prowl either being Animated, G1, or IDW, but if that really is a muscle car and not just a customized Junkion, I definitely think Animated will be repped by at least Lockdown, probably through Selects. Prowl and Lockdown are the two character who have the biggest history with modifying themseleves (Prowl's armor, Lockdown's... Lockdown) and including them in a line where that's part of the gimmick just makes sense

I can totally see Prowl being a simple bike-bot with a sidecar attachment that becomes armour, maybe they're gonna redo Samurai Prowl from the original Animated line.

I am...intrigued to see how this Prowl will be interpreted. The figures from the other Universes seem faithful enough (G2, Diaclone, Armada) but that's pretty easy to "G1-ify" (Especially G2 and Diaclone for obvious reasons.)
Considering how stylised Prime was and what the end result was, I don't doubt Prowl will probably be compromised aesthetically. I love the Animated art style so I hope it's not done too bad. It'll probably have a pretool ready for some other G2 bot like Arcee did. :lol:

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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 1st, 2022 @ 12:55pm CDT

Given that they'd screw up Animated completely based on what we've seen so far, and the fact that the PROPER Animated Prowl that actually looks like Animated Prowl can be reissued, I'm still hoping that this turns out to be RiD Prowl. I think that would be a better choice.
1. Greater need, due to the original mold being dead
2. Him, we can trust they'd get right
3. He actually stands to gain from it in a significant way (doors connected in a smarter way than ball joint sockets made from clear plastic)

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Prowl and Lockdown are the two character who have the biggest history with modifying themseleves (Prowl's armor, Lockdown's... Lockdown) and including them in a line where that's part of the gimmick just makes sense

Except that including any Animated characters in a line where the designers have proven they can't be trusted with more stylized aesthetics makes no sense. :/

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Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 1:03pm CDT

On one hand: I am very curious to see how a geewun Animated Prowl will look, I had no issues with Arcee or Bulkhead (but I completely understand Prime fans' disappointment.) On top of Derrick (rest in peace.) being a big G1 fan so maybe it'd be a dream come true?

On the other hand: I am also hoping they stick to the Animated style as close as possible if they really want to keep it geewun for the younguns and/or new fans. The Animated style was very unique and dynamic, and it'd be nice seeing that style be used again. Especially with how the toyline didn't seem to get all the characters it wanted to and some in dire need of a redo (such as Animated Swindle.)

I'll probably be happy with the outcome anyway if the toy simply doesn't suck.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146095)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on October 1st, 2022 @ 1:05pm CDT

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Knight wrote:I feel like at the current price point, I'm not really impressed.
It would have been nice if they could have moved Sludge's Back Dino legs somewhere else instead of giving him those thick meaty thighs.[/img]Might not have been workable with a Core-class budget, especially if their being there is also used for the combination.

I am curious on how the core Dinos combined look will well, look.

Probably like this, but with Volcanicus' head, and dinosaur beast heads & limbs instead of generic robot space monster beast heads and limbs.

Slag's beast head ends up as the chestplate just like Kakuryu's does, so that's one match already.

Rodimus Knight wrote:So far I have not been impressed by the Dinobots combiner modes they've tried. I think they need to go more for a Prediking look with the wings at the back.
Swoop's wingspan relative to his body size, and his having pterosaur wings instead of bird wings, mean that that might not work as well as you'd think. I know that with PotP it would have ended up looking rather Bulk Biceps-ish.

I wonder if I broke the quote up correctly.
The monstructor / Dinoking combiner used a number of additional parts to build the combiner. It looks like they won't be using extras with the Dinobots. At least not so far.

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Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:04pm CDT

Till-all-R1 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:For the record, when I say Needlenose should be voyager, I mean he should be physically bigger. I don't really care if his transformation doesn't change much. May be flatten out the underside kibble some?

I'm curious since it's already been stated here several times that Voyager doesn't mean "bigger bot" but simply more "engineering", so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

But it's not restricted to that. Which is why I said transformation doesn't have to change much either. Bottom line, I think Needlenose needs to be seeker-sized. And the seekers were voyagers. But that's just my personal preference, I think all jets should be voyagers, even future Aerialbots.

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Posted by Till-all-R1 on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:37pm CDT

While my wallet would say otherwise, I'd have to agree with you. Deluxe just makes something like a Jet feels/seem tiny. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about Powerglide and with him being a minicon.

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Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 2:47pm CDT

I prefer robo-scale over vehicle scale, and I think Needlenose wouldn't work too well as a bigger 'bot. That being said I don't know what the true scale of Legacy NN is anyway, for all I know he could still be a fairly tall robo much like Spinister or Ironhide was. Powerglide was a Minicon? Or do you mean Mini-Vehicle? Teehee.

If jet size is your thing, there'll probably be an oversized knock-off, or buy a model kit of a F-16 Fighting Falcon and play pretend!

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Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on October 1st, 2022 @ 3:33pm CDT

So hyped for this Lio Convoy (I refuse to call him Leo Prime, lol).

I’ve been skipping the core class versions of bigger characters, but I’ll probably be getting these Dinobots since they combine.

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Posted by o.supreme on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:00pm CDT

So... any guesses on the 6th core Dinobot? I'm guessing, if this really is a Dinoking pre tool it will be an Ankylosaurus. Probably using the name Scowl picked up from RiD15, if Hasbro still can use that name.

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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:13pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:So... any guesses on the 6th core Dinobot? I'm guessing, if this really is a Dinoking pre tool it will be an Ankylosaurus. Probably using the name Scowl picked up from RiD15, if Hasbro still can use that name.

It's Skar if I read the synopsis correctly.

btw a name used in animation doesn't automatically clear it for use on toys.

Re: Stock Images of New Legacy Evolution Reveals Showing Weapon Gimmicks + Preorders (2146106)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:21pm CDT

Reminder, again, that one of the Hasbro designers said at SDCC that Animated reps in Legacy is a matter of when, not if, that he in particular wants to do Animated Prime, Ratchet, and Lockdown, and that they would be G1-ified but also that they're adjusting their approach in doing so after the feedback on the Prime characters.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:but if that really is a muscle car and not just a customized Junkion

It's definitely a muscle car Junkion, and it doesn't look like it's made from the parts from the other two? Looking at this poster I'm seeing:
-A bike (being ridden by probably it's own robot mode design)
-Same bike but with a sidecar made out of parts of Scraphook and the muscle car
-Scraphook but with his hood replaced by multiples of the front of said bike (and another Scraphook standing on the back)
-The muscle car

o.supreme wrote:So... any guesses on the 6th core Dinobot? I'm guessing, if this really is a Dinoking pre tool it will be an Ankylosaurus. Probably using the name Scowl picked up from RiD15, if Hasbro still can use that name.

We have a listing for a Core Skar, which is the name of a short-lived ankylosaurus Dinobot from IDW.

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Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:24pm CDT

Nemesis Primal wrote:Reminder, again, that one of the Hasbro designers said at SDCC that Animated reps in Legacy is a matter of when, not if, that he in particular wants to do Animated Prime, Ratchet, and Lockdown, and that they would be G1-ified but also that they're adjusting their approach in doing so after the feedback on the Prime characters.

Ah, right, completely forgot about that. #-o

I'm still very curious to see how they'll be interpreted, though I wonder if they'll have the foot articulation to make sure most of them can pull off the hero stance. :lol:

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Posted by o.supreme on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:50pm CDT

Oof....I thought Jhiaxus would be more popular...

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Posted by primalxconvoy on October 1st, 2022 @ 4:53pm CDT

SpaceEagle wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:Reminder, again, that one of the Hasbro designers said at SDCC that Animated reps in Legacy is a matter of when, not if, that he in particular wants to do Animated Prime, Ratchet, and Lockdown, and that they would be G1-ified but also that they're adjusting their approach in doing so after the feedback on the Prime characters.

Ah, right, completely forgot about that.
I'm still very curious to see how they'll be interpreted, though I wonder if they'll have the foot articulation to make sure most of them can pull off the hero stance.

Although I'm interested in the nuances that defined each of the Animated characters, I still hope it's more CHUG in aesthetic than Animated. For me, it's the only multiversal design that looks at odds with any other bots that might show up at Axiom Nexus (to the point that entering any other universe just manifests them as either 2D animated cell, shaded characters, or G1-ified representations of themselves). Animated's universe, is more of a "lense" or "aesthetic" (like a "toon universe", rather than the other TF cartoons being toons of actual 3D universed, if you get my drift).

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Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 1st, 2022 @ 5:40pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:Oof....I thought Jhiaxus would be more popular...

No, he's mainly a niche comic character, appealing to older fans. Yeah some kids might get him because he's a jet, but his stupid name (yes, it's a stupid name) and no major media support prevents him being very sought after.

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Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 1st, 2022 @ 6:01pm CDT

So it looks like a youtube review has been posted for a looky-looky at Breakdown! :VEHI:

https://youtu.be/IBLGkacjlN4

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Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2022 @ 6:16pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:Oof....I thought Jhiaxus would be more popular...

Yeah, this means he's not that popular among older fans, the first to pick up new toys. But we'll see how well the toy does with the coming holiday season, for kids.

As for the 6th dino, I covered that in the article, he's Skar

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Posted by Till-all-R1 on October 1st, 2022 @ 7:10pm CDT

I'm curious how the interchangeable parts are going to hold out over time, surely they will suffer the loose joint syndrome simply due to the nature of wear.

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Posted by Emerje on October 1st, 2022 @ 7:56pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Oof....I thought Jhiaxus would be more popular...

Yeah, this means he's not that popular among older fans, the first to pick up new toys. But we'll see how well the toy does with the coming holiday season, for kids.

I wouldn't go that far. Just because he was apparently overstocked at that one store doesn't mean he's overstocked everywhere or that that's that store's entire stock of him, they could have sold some earlier before that photo was taken. Plus he's sold 2 to a case with Soundwave so he's going to be overstocked a little.

We were told during the panel that Jhiaxus came in second place behind Motormaster for the Transformers Toy Hall of Fame poll so that should really say everything we need to know about his popularity among older fans.

Emerje

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Posted by SpaceEagle on October 1st, 2022 @ 7:58pm CDT

Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Oof....I thought Jhiaxus would be more popular...

Yeah, this means he's not that popular among older fans, the first to pick up new toys. But we'll see how well the toy does with the coming holiday season, for kids.

I wouldn't go that far. Just because he was apparently overstocked at that one store doesn't mean he's overstocked everywhere or that that's that store's entire stock of him, they could have sold some earlier before that photo was taken. Plus he's sold 2 to a case with Soundwave so he's going to be overstocked a little.

We were told during the panel that Jhiaxus came in second place behind Motormaster for the Transformers Toy Hall of Fame poll so that should really say everything we need to know about his popularity among older fans.

Emerje

Can confirm Jhiaxuses fly off the shelves in my area, I've only ever seen Bulkheads shelfwarm and I wouldn't consider Bulkhead "unpopular." I was lucky to even see one Jhiaxus at a Target I went to and snatched it up quick! :lol: