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Comment by Spider5800
May 19, 2023
Hey! Having Optimus blast off in truck mode with a rocket on the back was MY idea! I did that when I was 10, they stole it from me!
Seriously though, this all looks pretty fun. Hopefully this one is more Bumblebee and less TLK.
Seriously though, this all looks pretty fun. Hopefully this one is more Bumblebee and less TLK.
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Optimus transforms at least 3 times in the film while we don't even see him transforming once in TLK. So it at least won't be that bad.
Comment by william-james88
May 19, 2023
Spider5800 wrote:Hey! Having Optimus blast off in truck mode with a rocket on the back was MY idea! I did that when I was 10, they stole it from me!
Seriously though, this all looks pretty fun. Hopefully this one is more Bumblebee and less TLK.
Optimus transforms at least 3 times in the film while we don't even see him transforming once in TLK. So it at least won't be that bad.
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Comment by DeathReviews
May 19, 2023
Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
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HOLY CRAP, I just realized this. It's actually kind of astounding. He just emerges from some smoke in truck mode at the end of the film. That's just bad, like no one transforming in MTMTE bad (except MTMTE was written well). It's like an Iron Man film where Tony Stark just talks and never dons a suit.
Comment by Stormshot_Prime
May 19, 2023
william-james88 wrote:Spider5800 wrote:Hey! Having Optimus blast off in truck mode with a rocket on the back was MY idea! I did that when I was 10, they stole it from me!
Seriously though, this all looks pretty fun. Hopefully this one is more Bumblebee and less TLK.
Optimus transforms at least 3 times in the film while we don't even see him transforming once in TLK. So it at least won't be that bad.
HOLY CRAP, I just realized this. It's actually kind of astounding. He just emerges from some smoke in truck mode at the end of the film. That's just bad, like no one transforming in MTMTE bad (except MTMTE was written well). It's like an Iron Man film where Tony Stark just talks and never dons a suit.
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That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
This, on the other hand, I absolutely believe. Think OP was only in truck mode once in that entire movie.
Comment by Spider5800
May 19, 2023
DeathReviews wrote:Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
william-james88 wrote:Optimus transforms at least 3 times in the film while we don't even see him transforming once in TLK. So it at least won't be that bad.
This, on the other hand, I absolutely believe. Think OP was only in truck mode once in that entire movie.
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Comment by Cheesinator
May 19, 2023
God damn, Prime's transformation looked badass.
I really hope this movie isn't trash; the trailers and some ad spots have got my partner and some friends kinda hyped to see it, which hasn't happened since Revenge of the Fallen.
Hold on, I know they didn't transform a lot in MTMTE but they definitely did it a few times. Rodimus, Cyclonus, Whirl, Rung, Star Saber, Overlord and Tarn (off the top of my head) definitely do so at the very least, not to mention prejudice against alt modes being a huge part of the plot.
I really hope this movie isn't trash; the trailers and some ad spots have got my partner and some friends kinda hyped to see it, which hasn't happened since Revenge of the Fallen.
Stormshot_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:Optimus transforms at least 3 times in the film while we don't even see him transforming once in TLK. So it at least won't be that bad.
HOLY CRAP, I just realized this. It's actually kind of astounding. He just emerges from some smoke in truck mode at the end of the film. That's just bad, like no one transforming in MTMTE bad (except MTMTE was written well). It's like an Iron Man film where Tony Stark just talks and never dons a suit.
Hold on, I know they didn't transform a lot in MTMTE but they definitely did it a few times. Rodimus, Cyclonus, Whirl, Rung, Star Saber, Overlord and Tarn (off the top of my head) definitely do so at the very least, not to mention prejudice against alt modes being a huge part of the plot.
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wat
The world was conquered by bigoted Actionmasters?
Comment by -Kanrabat-
May 19, 2023
Cheesinator wrote:Hold on, I know they didn't transform a lot in MTMTE (...) prejudice against alt modes being a huge part of the plot.
wat
The world was conquered by bigoted Actionmasters?
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Comment by Sabrblade
May 19, 2023
Prejudice against altmode types, as in Functionism.-Kanrabat- wrote:Cheesinator wrote:Hold on, I know they didn't transform a lot in MTMTE (...) prejudice against alt modes being a huge part of the plot.
wat
The world was conquered by bigoted Actionmasters?
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Oh right, logical.
I remember on top of my head in an episode of TF Prime:
Starscream to Knockout: "What do you transform into?"
Knockout: "Into a car, why?"
Starscream with disgust: "Ugh... You're one of those..."
I can't find the video, nor I remember what the episode it was in, but that's a memorable quote.
Comment by -Kanrabat-
May 19, 2023
Sabrblade wrote:Prejudice against altmode types, as in Functionism.-Kanrabat- wrote:Cheesinator wrote:Hold on, I know they didn't transform a lot in MTMTE (...) prejudice against alt modes being a huge part of the plot.
wat
The world was conquered by bigoted Actionmasters?
Oh right, logical.
I remember on top of my head in an episode of TF Prime:
Starscream to Knockout: "What do you transform into?"
Knockout: "Into a car, why?"
Starscream with disgust: "Ugh... You're one of those..."
I can't find the video, nor I remember what the episode it was in, but that's a memorable quote.
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Comment by Sabrblade
May 19, 2023
His debut episode.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Prejudice against altmode types, as in Functionism.-Kanrabat- wrote:Cheesinator wrote:Hold on, I know they didn't transform a lot in MTMTE (...) prejudice against alt modes being a huge part of the plot.
wat
The world was conquered by bigoted Actionmasters?
Oh right, logical.
I remember on top of my head in an episode of TF Prime:
Starscream to Knockout: "What do you transform into?"
Knockout: "Into a car, why?"
Starscream with disgust: "Ugh... You're one of those..."
I can't find the video, nor I remember what the episode it was in, but that's a memorable quote.
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Comment by Rodimus Prime
May 19, 2023
IIRC in AoE after the Cemetery Wind attack he transforms to truck while still in his evasion mode.Spider5800 wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
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Yeah, and his first appearance in the first film (admittedly he's halfway done when the camera pans over to him).
Comment by Spider5800
May 19, 2023
Rodimus Prime wrote:IIRC in AoE after the Cemetery Wind attack he transforms to truck while still in his evasion mode.Spider5800 wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
Yeah, and his first appearance in the first film (admittedly he's halfway done when the camera pans over to him).
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Correct. Every movie has a minimum of at least two scenes to show Optimus transforming, with The Last Knight and Bumblebee being the exceptions.
I like how Revenge of The Fallen in particular, does the Shanghai arrival and scene at NEST HQ.
Comment by TulioDude
May 19, 2023
Rodimus Prime wrote:IIRC in AoE after the Cemetery Wind attack he transforms to truck while still in his evasion mode.Spider5800 wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
Correct. Every movie has a minimum of at least two scenes to show Optimus transforming, with The Last Knight and Bumblebee being the exceptions.
I like how Revenge of The Fallen in particular, does the Shanghai arrival and scene at NEST HQ.
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He's transformed to truck mode a few times but the big novelty here is that he's transforming into a truck for an action scene, like in the 86 film. That's new for the live action films. He tends to transform into a truck for a disguise, so a defensive reason, rather than an offensive one as we see here.
Also, just a general statement, bots did Transform in MTMTE. Just not all the time as there wasn't a reason to. But when there was an action scene that called for that function, they didn't shy from it, like in this beautiful bit:
Comment by william-james88
May 21, 2023
Spider5800 wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
He's transformed to truck mode a few times but the big novelty here is that he's transforming into a truck for an action scene, like in the 86 film. That's new for the live action films. He tends to transform into a truck for a disguise, so a defensive reason, rather than an offensive one as we see here.
Also, just a general statement, bots did Transform in MTMTE. Just not all the time as there wasn't a reason to. But when there was an action scene that called for that function, they didn't shy from it, like in this beautiful bit:
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Comment by ZeroWolf
May 21, 2023
That was one of my favourite bits from MtMtE/Lost Light
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Comment by Sabrblade
May 21, 2023
How does his truck transformation during the Shanghai scene in ROTF not count as an action scene truck transformation?william-james88 wrote:Spider5800 wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Wow - it only took them sixteen years and at least seven movies to figure out that Optimus could be shown changing to his ALT mode. Truly the entertainment industry is staffed with forward-thinking geniuses...
That can't be correct. I'm positive we saw him transform from robot to truck at least once, the beginning of RotF after he parachutes out of the plane. There's gotta be others.
He's transformed to truck mode a few times but the big novelty here is that he's transforming into a truck for an action scene, like in the 86 film. That's new for the live action films. He tends to transform into a truck for a disguise, so a defensive reason, rather than an offensive one as we see here.
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Comment by william-james88
May 21, 2023
Due to many films postponing their release due to the pandemic, everything is coming out all at once. So within the next month, we are getting The Little Mermaid, Into the Spiderverse, Elemental and The Flash with Rise of the Beasts in the middle of all that. And these films are not only big blockbusters but also all family friendly, making for some tough competition.
Be that as it may, the prediction from Deadline is a bold one, with an estimated $70 M domestic opening week-end. So that would be just for Canada and the US, and they remind us that these films have made more money in China than domestically so the film could make a bulk of its money overseas.
However, please remember that while China may sell a lot of tickets, the cinemas there retain a much bigger share of the price than in North America (Paramount would get around 40-50% of the ticket sales in NA and less in Asia).
The budget for Rise of the Beasts is estimated to be $200 Million before marketing. So the film would have to make around $500-$600 Million to break even (especially if the bulk of ticket sales comes from overseas). The Last Knight did manage to make 600 Million but Bumblebee did not. Let us know what your predictions are.
Be that as it may, the prediction from Deadline is a bold one, with an estimated $70 M domestic opening week-end. So that would be just for Canada and the US, and they remind us that these films have made more money in China than domestically so the film could make a bulk of its money overseas.
However, please remember that while China may sell a lot of tickets, the cinemas there retain a much bigger share of the price than in North America (Paramount would get around 40-50% of the ticket sales in NA and less in Asia).
The budget for Rise of the Beasts is estimated to be $200 Million before marketing. So the film would have to make around $500-$600 Million to break even (especially if the bulk of ticket sales comes from overseas). The Last Knight did manage to make 600 Million but Bumblebee did not. Let us know what your predictions are.
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Comment by DeathReviews
May 21, 2023
It's hard to predict with certainty, since we live in a universe of infinite possibilities. But I think they're over-estimating, which is something the geniuses in Hollywood have been doing a lot recently. Especially if the producers and writers try to use the film as a soapbox to vent their personal hang-ups, which has also been a predictable (and annoying) habit of theirs.
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Though the movie gross is important, in a case like this I think there is more to it. This is more of a total package thing: movie sales PLUS toy sales PLUS merchandising. If the BB movie really did so poorly globally compared to its budget, why did Paramount make a sequel? Easy. Hasbro makes more than enough on toy and merchandising sales to compensate Paramount for however poorly the movie does at the theater. The movies are still glorified toy commercials....just with better special effects than the old days.
That said, I think $600 million globally is not out of reach for this movie. I predict a global gross of $701,225,306.43.
Comment by First-Aid
May 21, 2023
DeathReviews wrote:It's hard to predict with certainty, since we live in a universe of infinite possibilities. But I think they're over-estimating, which is something the geniuses in Hollywood have been doing a lot recently. Especially if the producers and writers try to use the film as a soapbox to vent their personal hang-ups, which has also been a predictable (and annoying) habit of theirs.
Though the movie gross is important, in a case like this I think there is more to it. This is more of a total package thing: movie sales PLUS toy sales PLUS merchandising. If the BB movie really did so poorly globally compared to its budget, why did Paramount make a sequel? Easy. Hasbro makes more than enough on toy and merchandising sales to compensate Paramount for however poorly the movie does at the theater. The movies are still glorified toy commercials....just with better special effects than the old days.
That said, I think $600 million globally is not out of reach for this movie. I predict a global gross of $701,225,306.43.
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Comment by chuckdawg1999
May 22, 2023
This will either be the biggest Transformers film in history or will crash and burn so badly that fans will be getting into knife fights in toy isles trying to get those Zuru mini-brand balls since those will be the only way to get new Transformers toys.
