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Tier 1 for Victory Saber Crowdfunding Project has been Achieved

Posted by william-james88 Oct 6, 2021 at 1:11pm CDT 21,312 views
Many of you backing the Haslab Victory Saber (me included) are hoping it at least reaches the 14 000 mark to get the V cannon which is rather crucial to the combo. It was a pretty big component of the original Victory Leo toy's alt modes and makes for a nice big weapon for the Victory Saber mode. Well, the we now have over 14 000 backers. As before, it is unlcear exactly which retailer's numbers were added (since only orders done through Hasbro Pulse itself are live and the ones from other retailers are added in batches).

We also have a quick video for you form Yuki San, the designer of both MP Star Saber and this Victory Saber. He does claim that Star Saber is leader class sized and Victory Leo is voyager class sized. He also gives a quick history of the character's design.

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Comment by william-james88 Oct 6, 2021
I've said that while collectors may feel a toyline is more for them than kids, hasbro still treats its toylines as toylines for kids through their advertisements, negotiated shelf space in retail stores, and communications. I just find it so odd that they still do that with this Star Saber project. Like this post on their Facebook page:

Let’s Say Go!!! We have reached 14,000 backers and the V-Lock Cannon and Blast Effects are now included with your #HasLab Victory Saber. Onward to 17,000 backers to unlock the Victory Autobot Display Stand!
Parents, pre-order and back the #Transformers Victory Saber HasLab project for $179.99. This crowdfund project will run until October 10th, 2021.


They also did that with the Golden Disk reveals where they'd tell parents to go preorder a toy at a particular adress. And I just wonder, what's with this damn charade? Are they really thinking a parent sees these online only toys of niche characters and s hoping they order it? Why not just talk like you are talking to fans, who are undeniably the main target audience for this product?!
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Comment by Flashwave Oct 6, 2021
william-james88 wrote:I've said that while collectors may feel a toyline is more for them than kids, hasbro still treats its toylines as toylines for kids through their advertisements, negotiated shelf space in retail stores, and communications. I just find it so odd that they still do that with this Star Saber project. Like this post on their Facebook page:

Let’s Say Go!!! We have reached 14,000 backers and the V-Lock Cannon and Blast Effects are now included with your #HasLab Victory Saber. Onward to 17,000 backers to unlock the Victory Autobot Display Stand!
Parents, pre-order and back the #Transformers Victory Saber HasLab project for $179.99. This crowdfund project will run until October 10th, 2021.


They also did that with the Golden Disk reveals where they'd tell parents to go preorder a toy at a particular adress. And I just wonder, what's with this damn charade? Are they really thinking a parent sees these online only toys of niche characters and s hoping they order it? Why not just talk like you are talking to fans, who are undeniably the main target audience for this product?!

Its probably a legality requirement, a lot of kids would see this online through sites like ours...
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Comment by TF-fan kev777 Oct 6, 2021
Flashwave wrote:
william-james88 wrote:I've said that while collectors may feel a toyline is more for them than kids, hasbro still treats its toylines as toylines for kids through their advertisements, negotiated shelf space in retail stores, and communications. I just find it so odd that they still do that with this Star Saber project. Like this post on their Facebook page:

Let’s Say Go!!! We have reached 14,000 backers and the V-Lock Cannon and Blast Effects are now included with your #HasLab Victory Saber. Onward to 17,000 backers to unlock the Victory Autobot Display Stand!
Parents, pre-order and back the #Transformers Victory Saber HasLab project for $179.99. This crowdfund project will run until October 10th, 2021.


They also did that with the Golden Disk reveals where they'd tell parents to go preorder a toy at a particular adress. And I just wonder, what's with this damn charade? Are they really thinking a parent sees these online only toys of niche characters and s hoping they order it? Why not just talk like you are talking to fans, who are undeniably the main target audience for this product?!

Its probably a legality requirement, a lot of kids would see this online through sites like ours...


I'd say it could be something even simpler like a standard paragraph/form letter where they only have to plug in the specific product details.
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Comment by sol magnus Oct 6, 2021
Finally backed my second Victory Saber.Pleasantly surprised to see we're over 14000 because last night before I went to bed it wasn't even close. 12,1--
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Comment by o.supreme Oct 6, 2021
sol magnus wrote:Finally backed my second Victory Saber.Pleasantly surprised to see we're over 14000 because last night before I went to bed it wasn't even close. 12,1--


How long had you been asleep? ;) It passed 13K on Monday 10/4 around 9pm EDT. We discussed above, the jump earlier today was about 1,200 give or take.
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Comment by sol magnus Oct 6, 2021
o.supreme wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Finally backed my second Victory Saber.Pleasantly surprised to see we're over 14000 because last night before I went to bed it wasn't even close. 12,1--


How long had you been asleep? ;) It passed 13K on Monday 10/4 around 9pm EDT. We discussed above, the jump earlier today was about 1,200 give or take.

No, you're right. It was 13k something last night. I typed the wrong number.
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Comment by WeatherManNX01 Oct 6, 2021
william-james88 wrote:They also did that with the Golden Disk reveals where they'd tell parents to go preorder a toy at a particular adress. And I just wonder, what's with this damn charade? Are they really thinking a parent sees these online only toys of niche characters and s hoping they order it? Why not just talk like you are talking to fans, who are undeniably the main target audience for this product?!

They might be thinking that, sure. They are toys after all. And most parents probably don't care (or even know) how niche the character is. If they think their kid will like it, they will buy it.

That's certainly how my parents operated, at least. Apart from Optimus Prime, they didn't know the characters, so they just bought me whatever figures they saw. And, frankly, I didn't care either. I got Transformers, and I was happy.
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Comment by SpikeyTigertron Oct 7, 2021
https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall
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Comment by -Kanrabat- Oct 7, 2021
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall


Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.
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Comment by Autobot N Oct 7, 2021
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall


Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.
Like those $170 Trainbots. Really wish they were cheaper, now they're out of my price range
Re: Tier 1 for Victory Saber Crowdfunding Project has been Achieved (view post)
Comment by -Kanrabat- Oct 7, 2021
Autobot N wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall


Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.
Like those $170 Trainbots. Really wish they were cheaper, now they're out of my price range


Those don't count, being Japan exclusives. But if you compare the base prices of SS and WFC toys, they are more expensive in Japan...

....wait....

I may be talking out of my ass here. Japan display their prices WITH the sale tax included. That's why they seems more expensive. Furthermore, the base prices get cheaper when you checkout at Amazon.jp. The sales tax is removed.

So does that mean Mandarake is screwing foreign orders over? :-?
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Comment by Epsilon Delta Oct 7, 2021
william-james88 wrote:I've said that while collectors may feel a toyline is more for them than kids, hasbro still treats its toylines as toylines for kids through their advertisements, negotiated shelf space in retail stores, and communications. I just find it so odd that they still do that with this Star Saber project. Like this post on their Facebook page:

Let’s Say Go!!! We have reached 14,000 backers and the V-Lock Cannon and Blast Effects are now included with your #HasLab Victory Saber. Onward to 17,000 backers to unlock the Victory Autobot Display Stand!
Parents, pre-order and back the #Transformers Victory Saber HasLab project for $179.99. This crowdfund project will run until October 10th, 2021.


They also did that with the Golden Disk reveals where they'd tell parents to go preorder a toy at a particular adress. And I just wonder, what's with this damn charade? Are they really thinking a parent sees these online only toys of niche characters and s hoping they order it? Why not just talk like you are talking to fans, who are undeniably the main target audience for this product?!


I'm just thinking, if it was a Bumblebee or an Optimus Prime under $50, I could understand marketing to the parents. The fact that it's around $200 (after taxes) of an unrecognizable character (to a parent that would be "shoppinging off the ads" to find a gift for their child), it just really doesn't make sense. I would be very interested to know how many parents with no affinity for Transformers backed this because they were looking for a gift for their kid that likes Transformers. I need stats Hasbro
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Comment by william-james88 Oct 7, 2021
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall


Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.
Like those $170 Trainbots. Really wish they were cheaper, now they're out of my price range


Those don't count, being Japan exclusives. But if you compare the base prices of SS and WFC toys, they are more expensive in Japan...

....wait....

I may be talking out of my ass here. Japan display their prices WITH the sale tax included. That's why they seems more expensive. Furthermore, the base prices get cheaper when you checkout at Amazon.jp. The sales tax is removed.

So does that mean Mandarake is screwing foreign orders over? :-?


Mandarake is not a retailer in the proper sense that it gets a toy from the distributor (supplier), they are a collectible second hand store. So we can't apply the same principles. And this Victory Saber isn't sold at Japanese big box retail either so it's in it's own pricing category as well.

Anyways, for those curious about the situation generally, toys at Japanese retail have always been more or less the same price as toys in the US.
If anyone wants more info on this, here is a link I keep handy explaining it: takara-tomy-transformers-legends-thread-p1740815.php#p1740815
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Comment by william-james88 Oct 7, 2021
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall


He does cost more but not as much as you think. That price includes taxes, his base price is $220. And we are looking at exchange rate futures for 2022 so I kinda get where this is coming from. It's being pessimistic on the value of the yen.
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Comment by o.supreme Oct 7, 2021
Just hit 15K backers

2K left needed to unlock tier 2

5K left needed to unlock tier 3

3 days 9 hours

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Comment by TF-fan kev777 Oct 7, 2021
Just hit 15K!!!

I'd be willing to bet on at least 3K from TTMall, so the stand should be a lock by now. Fingers crossed for the shield and lil fellas.
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal Oct 7, 2021
Like I've been saying, 20k will be the rough final number, I have confidence
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Comment by Emerje Oct 8, 2021
william-james88 wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall


Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.
Like those $170 Trainbots. Really wish they were cheaper, now they're out of my price range


Those don't count, being Japan exclusives. But if you compare the base prices of SS and WFC toys, they are more expensive in Japan...

....wait....

I may be talking out of my ass here. Japan display their prices WITH the sale tax included. That's why they seems more expensive. Furthermore, the base prices get cheaper when you checkout at Amazon.jp. The sales tax is removed.

So does that mean Mandarake is screwing foreign orders over? :-?


Mandarake is not a retailer in the proper sense that it gets a toy from the distributor (supplier), they are a collectible second hand store. So we can't apply the same principles. And this Victory Saber isn't sold at Japanese big box retail either so it's in it's own pricing category as well.

Mandarake doesn't charge sales tax on foreign orders. In fact the physical stores don't either, they have special duty free procedures for tourists.

Emerje
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Comment by -Kanrabat- Oct 8, 2021
Emerje wrote:

Mandarake doesn't charge sales tax on foreign orders. In fact the physical stores don't either, they have special duty free procedures for tourists.

Emerje


Nice.
Now if only EMS would reopen again for Canada...
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Comment by MeGrimlock78 Oct 8, 2021
So here's a question I've been thinking of...they'll be making 15,000 (at least) Victory Sabers...how many Commander Class Sky Lynx or Titan Class Scorponok do you think Hasbro made?

I'm having a tough time estimating. TRU Canada has 85 stores...say 10 per store is 850, so round to 1K. Twice that for Walmart gets us to 3K, and double that again for the rest of Canada is about 6K for the country...that seems low to me...
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