Transformers Combiner Wars Sky Lynx and Onslaught Showing Up at Ross

Whoa! $13.99 for a Voyager? Do they have any other figures like Deluxe class?

That's pretty lame that they missed using the G2 Decepticon symbols for G2 Bruticus. They got that right for G2 Superion and Menasor. Ugh...

I saw Onslaught and Scattershot at a local Marshalls for $14.99 too.

Oh, Ross, where would we be if not for your wonderful abundance of post-line, poorly distributed releases?
I may have to look sometime...

I shall resume the hunt with renewed vigor! $14 for his magnificence isn't a deal to be passed upon.

great job hasbro once again you fail to ship a sought after figure to mass retail and instead send it to a discount store no one has in their area, i really really hate hasbro.

Megatron Wolf wrote:great job hasbro once again you fail to ship a sought after figure to mass retail and instead send it to a discount store no one has in their area, i really really hate hasbro.

"Not our fault the bigger stores don't want them "

Megatron Wolf wrote:great job hasbro once again you fail to ship a sought after figure to mass retail and instead send it to a discount store no one has in their area, i really really hate hasbro.

Hasbro really has no control over what stores order. Blame the retailers like Toys R Us, Walmart, Target, etc...

Serious? I spent $35 on that disappointment:(

Megatron Wolf wrote:great job hasbro once again you fail to ship a sought after figure to mass retail and instead send it to a discount store no one has in their area, i really really hate hasbro.

Come on man, dont you know Hasbro has nothing to do with this? This is all on the retailer end. These came to North America in abundance a few months ago, as proof of this toy being found elsewhere in very large quantities.



However, the retailers had a lot of older stock they probably over ordered they wanted to clear first. And now that titans return is near, Toysrus and others dont want the older line and either chose not to buy more from Hasbro or to sell their excess stock to market 6 stores. This happens often and is rarely the fault of the supplier.

Optimizzy wrote:Serious? I spent $35 on that disappointment:(

Sorry if I laugh at your pain, but taht is a funny statement, tha I can agree with.

Megatron Wolf wrote:great job hasbro once again you fail to ship a sought after figure to mass retail and instead send it to a discount store no one has in their area, i really really hate hasbro.

I don't even have time to search them all, if you want a few of mine, go ahead

william-james88 wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:great job hasbro once again you fail to ship a sought after figure to mass retail and instead send it to a discount store no one has in their area, i really really hate hasbro.

Come on man, dont you know Hasbro has nothing to do with this? This is all on the retailer end. These came to North America in abundance a few months ago, as proof of this toy being found elsewhere in very large quantities.

Oh my god I would kill for those prices.

Just like the last wave of Kreo/Kreon, seems like much of what is released abundantly in Canada, but not in the US, ends up in US Market 6 sharply discounted. I don't know what the cause is. I know Hasbro would love to be getting the profit as many U.S. fans would have been willing to pay $25 at retail for Skylynx. I already preordered UW Lynx Master, but heck for $13 if I find a Sky Lynx at Marshalls I may get it just so my son can play with it.

Guys. Hasbro has nothing to do with this situation. Hasbro got their money when they sold wholesale to the retailers. It's the retailers (i.e. Target, TRU, etc.)?who liquidate this stock to the discount sellers. Not Hasbro.

Like I said I didn't know what the cause was, but I appreciate your explanation. On Saturday I went to a local Target. They had totally removed the Transformers section, and had what few toys they did have (some smaller RiD stuff) to one of those plastic-strip things that hangs off an endcap. I knew they had at least one if not more CW Leader Class Skywarp & Starscream. The employee told me "they are in the back...you want me to get them out?"...I said only if they were on clearance, he said no. So instead of putting them on clearance and trying to sell them, they just sit in the stockroom where nobody can see them. Brilliant.

Ya. In my area, Target has been the worst. For some reason they have no interest in stocking TFs. I remember hearing they got kind of burned by AOE sales. I wonder if they hesitate with the brand because of it.

o.supreme wrote:Like I said I didn't know what the cause was, but I appreciate your explanation. On Saturday I went to a local Target. They had totally removed the Transformers section, and had what few toys they did have (some smaller RiD stuff) to one of those plastic-strip things that hangs off an endcap. I knew they had at least one if not more CW Leader Class Skywarp & Starscream. The employee told me "they are in the back...you want me to get them out?"...I said only if they were on clearance, he said no. So instead of putting them on clearance and trying to sell them, they just sit in the stockroom where nobody can see them. Brilliant.

It's a transition time for Target. They are clearing out the summer seasonal stuff and putting out the School Supplies section. I expect Christmas stuff goes up next week. (Yeah, I'm only partially kidding about this....seems like Xmas goes up earlier and earlier every year. And heaven forbid I might actually need a swimsuit in the middle of July...) But in all seriousness, they are planning the displays for the holiday shopping season as well as upcoming movie merchandise.

Also, while Transformers is popular, in my experience, most Target stock people don't really care, nor have any knowledge of any of the toy lines. They just stock stuff as directed by corporate, including putting out items on clearance. I would expect those CW items to appear on a clearance endcap before too long...

Thanks for the info. I just picked up both. I have all of the other combaticons but I've been waiting on onslaught for some reason. Christmas in July!

hey guys, I've been wanting to get a Sideswipe for my collection and want to get the Classics version. However, I already have the CW Sunstreaker and want the two characters to be the same mold (since they are the same car model in G1). Would you guys recommend I just buy the Classics Sideswipe AND Suntreaker or is it useless to get the Sunstreaker since I have the CW version?

Also, I have the CW Prowl and want Smokescreen, but if he is really as bad as everyone says then should I just get the Classics version of Smokescreen and Prowl? I don't know if anyone else has this kind of OCD when it comes to transformers that are supposed to be the same vehicle but I'm not sure if it's worth buying the same character over again.

joeprime276 wrote:hey guys, I've been wanting to get a Sideswipe for my collection and want to get the Classics version. However, I already have the CW Sunstreaker and want the two characters to be the same mold (since they are the same car model in G1). Would you guys recommend I just buy the Classics Sideswipe AND Suntreaker or is it useless to get the Sunstreaker since I have the CW version?

Well, G1 Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were different molds originally, so having Universe Sideswipe and CW Sunstreaker would reflect that. But if you really really want them to be the same molds, you'd just have to get Universe Sunstreaker too to fulfill that want. It's a decent mold that works for both Sunstreaker and Sideswipe.

joeprime276 wrote:Also, I have the CW Prowl and want Smokescreen, but if he is really as bad as everyone says then should I just get the Classics version of Smokescreen and Prowl? I don't know if anyone else has this kind of OCD when it comes to transformers that are supposed to be the same vehicle but I'm not sure if it's worth buying the same character over again.

The Universe Prowl/Silverstreak/Smokescreen mold isn't very good by today's standards. Universe Smokescreen's deco is also really ugly. CW Smokescreen isn't that awful, it's just that the majority of its paint apps went into its altmode rather than its robot mode.

CW Smokescreen really should have used the Dead End shell with the Prowl head.

Delta Magnus wrote:CW Smokescreen really should have used the Dead End shell with the Prowl head.

Then the altmode would look less like Smokescreen's altmode.

joeprime276 wrote:hey guys, I've been wanting to get a Sideswipe for my collection and want to get the Classics version. However, I already have the CW Sunstreaker and want the two characters to be the same mold (since they are the same car model in G1). Would you guys recommend I just buy the Classics Sideswipe AND Suntreaker or is it useless to get the Sunstreaker since I have the CW version?

Get classics Sideswipe, because it makes sense for them to be two different molds which was the case back in G1.

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:CW Smokescreen really should have used the Dead End shell with the Prowl head.

Then the altmode would look less like Smokescreen's altmode.

I think you're stretching a bit there. The Streetwise shell, cool as it is, barely resembles the Datsun alt mode- certainly not Smokescreen's modified racing Fairlady, that's for certain. Now granted, neither does the Dead End shell, but at least there wouldn't be extraneous unpainted police gubbins all over his car shell.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:CW Smokescreen really should have used the Dead End shell with the Prowl head.

Then the altmode would look less like Smokescreen's altmode.

I think you're stretching a bit there. The Streetwise shell, cool as it is, barely resembles the Datsun alt mode- certainly not Smokescreen's modified racing Fairlady, that's for certain. Now granted, neither does the Dead End shell, but at least there wouldn't be extraneous unpainted police gubbins all over his car shell.

But he, Prowl, and Bluestreak are all supposed to have the same basic car body.

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:CW Smokescreen really should have used the Dead End shell with the Prowl head.

Then the altmode would look less like Smokescreen's altmode.

I think you're stretching a bit there. The Streetwise shell, cool as it is, barely resembles the Datsun alt mode- certainly not Smokescreen's modified racing Fairlady, that's for certain. Now granted, neither does the Dead End shell, but at least there wouldn't be extraneous unpainted police gubbins all over his car shell.

But he, Prowl, and Bluestreak are all supposed to have the same basic car body.

True, but he's not supposed to be a combiner limb either.

I dunno. All that unpainted detail (ESPECIALLY the lightbar) really annoys me on Smokescreen.

Now what I WOULD buy is a CW Armada Smokescreen, retooled from Hot Spot with the ladder assembly replaced with a crane boom. In fact, given how simplistic CW figures are I might have a shot at doing that myself. It'd mean neutering the combining gimmick, but given my past experiences I'm OK with that.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:CW Smokescreen really should have used the Dead End shell with the Prowl head.

Then the altmode would look less like Smokescreen's altmode.

I think you're stretching a bit there. The Streetwise shell, cool as it is, barely resembles the Datsun alt mode- certainly not Smokescreen's modified racing Fairlady, that's for certain. Now granted, neither does the Dead End shell, but at least there wouldn't be extraneous unpainted police gubbins all over his car shell.

While I agree with the notion, I accept the Streetwise shell as is, because we don't know what parts of the total tooling are connected in a single tree. If the Streetwise and Prowl heads are cast at the same time as the main shell, it would have been wasteful to produce the Dead End shell just for a single mix-and-match release.

Delta Magnus wrote:Now what I WOULD buy is a CW Armada Smokescreen, retooled from Hot Spot with the ladder assembly replaced with a crane boom.

Wouldn't that just be Grapple?

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Now what I WOULD buy is a CW Armada Smokescreen, retooled from Hot Spot with the ladder assembly replaced with a crane boom.

Wouldn't that just be Grapple?

...Huh. Didn't think about that. Though IMO Armada Smokescreen has a much cooler design (well, his animation model did, his toy sucked) with his brutish bowl-bonce and rounded-off futuristic mega-crane mode. I dunno, I have a lot of residual affection for Armada's designs.

Delta Magnus wrote:I dunno. All that unpainted detail (ESPECIALLY the lightbar) really annoys me on Smokescreen.

Wold you have preferred they paint the light bar?

Delta Magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Now what I WOULD buy is a CW Armada Smokescreen, retooled from Hot Spot with the ladder assembly replaced with a crane boom.

Wouldn't that just be Grapple?

...Huh. Didn't think about that. Though IMO Armada Smokescreen has a much cooler design (well, his animation model did, his toy sucked) with his brutish bowl-bonce and rounded-off futuristic mega-crane mode. I dunno, I have a lot of residual affection for Armada's designs.

Funny thing is, Armada Smokescreen's Japanese name was "Grap", furthering his Grapple homage.

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I dunno. All that unpainted detail (ESPECIALLY the lightbar) really annoys me on Smokescreen.

Wold you have preferred they paint the light bar?

Honestly, yeah. Didn't even have to be painted as a light bar- they could have painted it the same colour as the windows. I dunno, unpainted detail (especially really prominent detail like that) really gets my goat. I blame Bobby Skullface for this.

Yeah the naming on several Armada characters was a bit nonsensical its almost like Hasbro said "hey we have this name, slap it on this guy". Plus the fact that the English recordings of both Armada & Energon got character names wrong quite often makes it hard to watch.

o.supreme wrote:Yeah the naming on several Armada characters was a bit nonsensical its almost like Hasbro said "hey we have this name, slap it on this guy". Plus the fact that the English recordings of both Armada & Energon got character names wrong quite often makes it hard to watch.

The names for the English versions worked pretty well IMO. I certainly prefer Smokescreen over Grap and Demolisher over Ironhide (if the Japanese version had been called Armourhide though that would have been a different story). Some of the Japanese names I prefer though, notably Sandstorm as Cyclonus and the various Micron names.

Micron Legend is patently superior to Armada though, at least from the 3 episodes I've watched so far. Better voicework, better music, even better animation. The intro song is pretty generic though.

o.supreme wrote:Yeah the naming on several Armada characters was a bit nonsensical its almost like Hasbro said "hey we have this name, slap it on this guy". Plus the fact that the English recordings of both Armada & Energon got character names wrong quite often makes it hard to watch.

I still cant believe they called that blue and white Energon race car Prowl insstead of the obvious Mirage. And Takara called him red alert, wth?!

Delta Magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I dunno. All that unpainted detail (ESPECIALLY the lightbar) really annoys me on Smokescreen.

Wold you have preferred they paint the light bar?

Honestly, yeah. Didn't even have to be painted as a light bar- they could have painted it the same colour as the windows. I dunno, unpainted detail (especially really prominent detail like that) really gets my goat. I blame Bobby Skullface for this.

I dont know man, the lightbar being made prominant on Lightsteed makes it worse:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Yeah the naming on several Armada characters was a bit nonsensical its almost like Hasbro said "hey we have this name, slap it on this guy". Plus the fact that the English recordings of both Armada & Energon got character names wrong quite often makes it hard to watch.

I still cant believe they called that blue and white Energon race car Prowl insstead of the obvious Mirage. And Takara called him red alert, wth?!

Shut chour mouf! He isn't just any racing car, he's a POLICE racing car! How else are they going to make sure nobody cheats in the race?

Delta Magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I dunno. All that unpainted detail (ESPECIALLY the lightbar) really annoys me on Smokescreen.

Wold you have preferred they paint the light bar?

Honestly, yeah. Didn't even have to be painted as a light bar- they could have painted it the same colour as the windows. I dunno, unpainted detail (especially really prominent detail like that) really gets my goat. I blame Bobby Skullface for this.

I dont know man, the lightbar being made prominant on Lightsteed makes it worse:

Yeah, I see your point. Though to be fair, CW Lightspeed is just a disgrace full stop (not helped by how much better UW Lightspeed looks). Had his lightbar not been red like the rest of him though it might have added some much-needed colour breakup. Suppose it was green like Afterburner's windshield- it probably wouldn't have looked QUITE as awful.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Yeah the naming on several Armada characters was a bit nonsensical its almost like Hasbro said "hey we have this name, slap it on this guy". Plus the fact that the English recordings of both Armada & Energon got character names wrong quite often makes it hard to watch.

I still cant believe they called that blue and white Energon race car Prowl insstead of the obvious Mirage. And Takara called him red alert, wth?!

But it was a police race car!

Delta Magnus wrote:The names for the English versions worked pretty well IMO. I certainly prefer Smokescreen over Grap and Demolisher over Ironhide (if the Japanese version had been called Armourhide though that would have been a different story). Some of the Japanese names I prefer though, notably Sandstorm as Cyclonus and the various Micron names.

Micron Legend is patently superior to Armada though, at least from the 3 episodes I've watched so far. Better voicework, better music, even better animation. The intro song is pretty generic though.

I haven't seen Micron Legend but I've seen clips, enough to know it is superior to Armada in pretty much every way But basically:

Smokescreen- was not a fast sportscar
Blurr - did not talk fast, in fact he was just a slow version of Zechs from Gundam Wing
Scavenger -was an...Autobot... Sure he was a con at first, but then switched?...
Wheeljack - Don't even get me started on that
Cyclonus -ugh...

and the list goes on and on

o.supreme wrote:Wheeljack - Don't even get me started on that

He should have been the one named "Side Swipe" instead of the dork who got that name.

o.supreme wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:The names for the English versions worked pretty well IMO. I certainly prefer Smokescreen over Grap and Demolisher over Ironhide (if the Japanese version had been called Armourhide though that would have been a different story). Some of the Japanese names I prefer though, notably Sandstorm as Cyclonus and the various Micron names.

Micron Legend is patently superior to Armada though, at least from the 3 episodes I've watched so far. Better voicework, better music, even better animation. The intro song is pretty generic though.

I haven't seen Micron Legend but I've seen clips, enough to know it is superior to Armada in pretty much every way But basically:

Smokescreen- was not a fast sportscar
Blurr - did not talk fast, in fact he was just a slow version of Zechs from Gundam Wing
Scavenger -was an...Autobot... Sure he was a con at first, but then switched?...
Wheeljack - Don't even get me started on that
Cyclonus -ugh...

and the list goes on and on

Your entire argument seems to revolve around the names not being applied to G1-alikes in a decidedly non-G1 series...

Animated, and Prime were not G1, and they pretty much kept the names with matching IP. Characters like Demolishor, Hotshot etc... that had no previous characters, or character that had not been truly developed were fine. RiD/CR was not G1, yet *most* of its characters were originally named, and those that weren't yes I was just as critical of if they did not match (Build Team Grimlock for example)

I did applaud Armada for using Tidal Wave rather than Micron Legend *Shockwave* (as that would have been 12 kinds of confusing), but I think Hasbro didn't have the rights to the name at the time, so it was probably out of necessity rather than a conscious decision.

But yeah...back to Combiner Wars... although the molds did get a ton of usage, it looks like the fan community at large could see the potential for much more.

o.supreme wrote:I did applaud Armada for using Tidal Wave rather than Micron Legend *Shockwave* (as that would have been 12 kinds of confusing),

o.supreme wrote:But yeah...back to combiner Wars... although the molds did get a ton of usage, it looks like the fan community at large could see the potential for much more.

Ironic, considering how so many decried the multiple mold use.

I think the whole name debate is best left for a different thread

Back to Sky Lynx at Ross...

Honestly, pretty surprising, since CW has barely ended, I expected him to pop up in discount stores at least around the Christmas season. O well, one more thing to look should I be able to look at one.

You have no idea how much time I spent explaining to my son why Tidal Wave looked so much cooler, BIGGER, and ominous in the build up to his actual appearance.

Sabrblade wrote:Ironic, considering how so many decried the multiple mold use.

True

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Ironic, considering how so many decried the multiple mold use.

True

Some decried it, while others praised the amount of pretooling done on some. Unfortunately, pretooling as per definition ("pre-planned retool") is a double-edged sword, as the amount of retooling done in the beginning can not be repeated mid-way. Scattershot and Strafe are the limits of mid-line retooling, but still more impressive than the standard headswap

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Ironic, considering how so many decried the multiple mold use.

True

Some decried it, while others praised the amount of pretooling done on some. Unfortunately, pretooling as per definition ("pre-planned retool") is a double-edged sword, as the amount of retooling done in the beginning can not be repeated mid-way. Scattershot and Strafe are the limits of mid-line retooling, but still more impressive than the standard headswap

Just making sure, the fact that most of these were confirmed to be pretools (rather than retools) means that they cant come up on a top 5 retool list right? Not that many would qualify, but still I thought I should ask.

Delta Magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I dunno. All that unpainted detail (ESPECIALLY the lightbar) really annoys me on Smokescreen.

Wold you have preferred they paint the light bar?

Honestly, yeah. Didn't even have to be painted as a light bar- they could have painted it the same colour as the windows. I dunno, unpainted detail (especially really prominent detail like that) really gets my goat. I blame Bobby Skullface for this.

I would've preferred they make the wave 4 limbs: Cannonball, Barricade, Exhaust, and someone out of the swindle mold. Then the molds would make sense, and we'd have limbs for Galvatronus; sky lynx could stay, we have more than enough spare autobot limbs for him to use

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Ironic, considering how so many decried the multiple mold use.

True

Some decried it, while others praised the amount of pretooling done on some. Unfortunately, pretooling as per definition ("pre-planned retool") is a double-edged sword, as the amount of retooling done in the beginning can not be repeated mid-way. Scattershot and Strafe are the limits of mid-line retooling, but still more impressive than the standard headswap

Just making sure, the fact that most of these were confirmed to be pretools (rather than retools) means that they cant come up on a top 5 retool list right? Not that many would qualify, but still I thought I should ask.

For Combiner Wars molds, it's a bit... iffy. These figures are most certainly true retools:

- The Victorion bots
- The Technobots

Not too sure if I should count Trailbreaker, however the retooled arms and him being a "third head" make him a good candidate.

The rest were all planned ahead, so along with the likes of Gen. Sandstorm/Springer, go ahead and make that Top 5 pretool list... To end this tangent, think it would be a good idea to exclude headswaps? They've reached the area of straight redecos when it comes to the wow-factor IMO.

The CW mold re-usage situation is a very strange one. Most fans on here would much prefer them to have not been re-used at much; yet many of the same fans would also put out digibashes and wish lists of re-uses of the molds they would want. I count myself among those - while I understand why the molds were re-used so much, it can a bit tiresome; yet I really want a Bluestreak and a Sideswipe.

Kurona wrote:The CW mold re-usage situation is a very strange one. Most fans on here would much prefer them to have not been re-used at much; yet many of the same fans would also put out digibashes and wish lists of re-uses of the molds they would want. I count myself among those - while I understand why the molds were re-used so much, it can a bit tiresome; yet I really want a Bluestreak and a Sideswipe.

Don't get me wrong, they were over-used, but, if they were to do it, that they do cool re-tools, not more generic one's we've had, like smokescreen