Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron Deep Character Dive: Jazz

Blurrz wrote: used his skin as Blurr in my multiplayer stuff.

haha, me too!

Not sure on the design here, he looks very red. After RTS Jazz, I don't need another, so whilst I don't mind him showing up, I hope they make toys of other characters first. Assuming they make any.

I HATE that Decepticons in Fiction nowadays are portrayed as animal like beasts. Its almost as if they aren't a credible threat anymore.

I know they´re very similar, but I´m liking these desings better than the WFC ones. Hasbro really needs to give FOC it´s own toyline.

Shadowman wrote:Look at WfC, what do the enemies accomplish by transforming? They become slightly smaller targets, which, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't really help them much. Most of the fliers didn't even last long enough to transform. I'd rather they ditch the concept of transforming for the nameless enemies rather than shoehorn it in without making it functional.

Plus they're annoying when they can't decide whether they transform or not, thus transforming back and forth and the player is wasting ammo trying to kill them. I'm glad if there's no transforming enemies!

About Jazz, I like how they kept the same design as in WFC. It was my favorite next to Dead Ends. And the grapple sounds like fun.

Shadowman wrote:They don't need to. In G1, Transforming was a fairly new concept, and Megatron himself was the first Transforming Decepticon.

And even then, Transforming enemies doesn't really do much. Look at WfC, what do the enemies accomplish by transforming? They become slightly smaller targets, which, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't really help them much. Most of the fliers didn't even last long enough to transform. I'd rather they ditch the concept of transforming for the nameless enemies rather than shoehorn it in without making it functional.

Pft, thats a weak approach. The idea should be to improve how transforming ai work, rather than just scrap the whole thing. Plus I found transforming enemies much more of a challenge than if they stayed in robot mode (or vehicle mode). You have a lock on a flyer, and then he transforms, and you now need to manually kill him. Your playing a transformers game. There needs to be enemy transformers, who ideally, use both modes to their advantage.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Shadowman wrote:They don't need to. In G1, Transforming was a fairly new concept, and Megatron himself was the first Transforming Decepticon.

And even then, Transforming enemies doesn't really do much. Look at WfC, what do the enemies accomplish by transforming? They become slightly smaller targets, which, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't really help them much. Most of the fliers didn't even last long enough to transform. I'd rather they ditch the concept of transforming for the nameless enemies rather than shoehorn it in without making it functional.

Pft, thats a weak approach. The idea should be to improve how transforming ai work, rather than just scrap the whole thing. Plus I found transforming enemies much more of a challenge than if they stayed in robot mode (or vehicle mode). You have a lock on a flyer, and then he transforms, and you now need to manually kill him. Your playing a transformers game. There needs to be enemy transformers, who ideally, use both modes to their advantage.

I hate it when the enemies transform. It's annoying as hell.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Shadowman wrote:They don't need to. In G1, Transforming was a fairly new concept, and Megatron himself was the first Transforming Decepticon.

And even then, Transforming enemies doesn't really do much. Look at WfC, what do the enemies accomplish by transforming? They become slightly smaller targets, which, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't really help them much. Most of the fliers didn't even last long enough to transform. I'd rather they ditch the concept of transforming for the nameless enemies rather than shoehorn it in without making it functional.

Pft, thats a weak approach. The idea should be to improve how transforming ai work, rather than just scrap the whole thing. Plus I found transforming enemies much more of a challenge than if they stayed in robot mode (or vehicle mode). You have a lock on a flyer, and then he transforms, and you now need to manually kill him. Your playing a transformers game. There needs to be enemy transformers, who ideally, use both modes to their advantage.

To be fair, WfC was a weaker approach. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them do it properly. But if you can't figure out how to do something right, it's best not to do it at all.

Take another look at fliers. Aside form losing vehicle lock (Which means they get to live for another two seconds before I switch weapons and kill them anyway) what else did they do? Fliers would typically pull out a Scrapmaker and begin firing at you while floating around. Mind you, this is what they were already doing, but now if you shoot their feet they die instantly.

It's not about improving the AI, the AI is doing nothing wrong here, it's about improving the transforming mechanic. In particular, finding a way to implement it on enemies without leaving it an entirely useless gimmick.

In the first video who are the guys in the concept art. There's a purple one and a large hulking white+red one.

metatron_da_don wrote:In the first video who are the guys in the concept art. There's a purple one and a large hulking white+red one.

Which first video? There's a lot of those.