Transformers The Last Knight Additional Photo's From Filming In Phoenix
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Re: Transformers The Last Knight Additional Photo's From Filming In Phoenix
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To be fair Drift was a Decepticon before joiming the Autobots so perhaps he hasn't had time to worry about the true meaning of honour!
Comment by conbot3
Jun 24, 2016
Sabrblade wrote:No, it's how he was played. He was given an exaggerated accent (Ken Watanabe does not sound in real life quite like how Drift sounded), he used Japanese terms that Americans know but only used them out of their proper meaning because of how pop culture has constantly used those terms incorrectly, he presented himself as a well-behaved bot of honor yet kept doing lot of disrespectful and dishonorable things throughout the movie, he spoke proverbs for no reason other than his having a Japanese motif as said proverbs never fit the context of the situations in which he spoke them and which only incited ill reactions from his teammates (particularly Crosshairs)... Drift is a far cry from a respective representation of a Japanese Samurai character. Beast Wars Dinobot, or even the character-less Swordbot Samurai Team members from Transformers Go!, were far more accurate expressions of how an actual Samurai would be like.SlyTF1 wrote:So, because he's a samurai played by a Japanese guy, he's obviously a stereotype. Right.
To be fair Drift was a Decepticon before joiming the Autobots so perhaps he hasn't had time to worry about the true meaning of honour!
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Comment by Sabrblade
Jun 24, 2016
A point not even hinted at by the movie, as no one would know about it if not for the toy bio saying so.conbot3 wrote:To be fair Drift was a Decepticon before joiming the Autobots
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Rise of the dark spark states he was a former con as well it's one of those all but confirmed things.
Plus every other Drift ever has been a former con and I'm pretty sure it's intentional I mean remember brains he is also a former con according to the prequel comics yet it's not stated in the film itself.
(Yes Rid Drift is a former con too just not stated in the show it's in a book)
Comment by Deadput
Jun 24, 2016
Sabrblade wrote:A point not even hinted at by the movie, as no one would know about it if not for the toy bio saying so.
Rise of the dark spark states he was a former con as well it's one of those all but confirmed things.
Plus every other Drift ever has been a former con and I'm pretty sure it's intentional I mean remember brains he is also a former con according to the prequel comics yet it's not stated in the film itself.
(Yes Rid Drift is a former con too just not stated in the show it's in a book)
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Comment by Kurona
Jun 24, 2016
Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
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Comment by Sabrblade
Jun 24, 2016
A game whose story had jack all to do with the movie it was meant to tie in with (thanks to Bay forbidding any licensees from seeing the movie's script prior to the film's release).Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A point not even hinted at by the movie, as no one would know about it if not for the toy bio saying so.
Rise of the dark spark states he was a former con as well it's one of those all but confirmed things.
None of those other Drifts matter to the content of the AOE movie.Deadput wrote:Plus every other Drift ever has been a former con and I'm pretty sure it's intentional I mean remember brains he is also a former con according to the prequel comics yet it's not stated in the film itself.
(Yes Rid Drift is a former con too just not stated in the show it's in a book)
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What did he even do that was dishonorable? He was the most loyal and disciplined of the Autobots. At least, he tried to be.
Comment by SlyTF1
Jun 24, 2016
conbot3 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No, it's how he was played. He was given an exaggerated accent (Ken Watanabe does not sound in real life quite like how Drift sounded), he used Japanese terms that Americans know but only used them out of their proper meaning because of how pop culture has constantly used those terms incorrectly, he presented himself as a well-behaved bot of honor yet kept doing lot of disrespectful and dishonorable things throughout the movie, he spoke proverbs for no reason other than his having a Japanese motif as said proverbs never fit the context of the situations in which he spoke them and which only incited ill reactions from his teammates (particularly Crosshairs)... Drift is a far cry from a respective representation of a Japanese Samurai character. Beast Wars Dinobot, or even the character-less Swordbot Samurai Team members from Transformers Go!, were far more accurate expressions of how an actual Samurai would be like.SlyTF1 wrote:So, because he's a samurai played by a Japanese guy, he's obviously a stereotype. Right.
To be fair Drift was a Decepticon before joiming the Autobots so perhaps he hasn't had time to worry about the true meaning of honour!
What did he even do that was dishonorable? He was the most loyal and disciplined of the Autobots. At least, he tried to be.
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Comment by dragons
Jun 24, 2016
conbot3 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No, it's how he was played. He was given an exaggerated accent (Ken Watanabe does not sound in real life quite like how Drift sounded), he used Japanese terms that Americans know but only used them out of their proper meaning because of how pop culture has constantly used those terms incorrectly, he presented himself as a well-behaved bot of honor yet kept doing lot of disrespectful and dishonorable things throughout the movie, he spoke proverbs for no reason other than his having a Japanese motif as said proverbs never fit the context of the situations in which he spoke them and which only incited ill reactions from his teammates (particularly Crosshairs)... Drift is a far cry from a respective representation of a Japanese Samurai character. Beast Wars Dinobot, or even the character-less <a target="_blank" href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10001&customid=&icep_ff3=9&icep_uq=transformers%20swordbot&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&mkevt=1 class="epn-link" target="_blank" id="epn8">Swordbot</a> Samurai Team members from <a target="_blank" href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10001&customid=&icep_ff3=9&icep_uq=transformers%20go&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&mkevt=1 class="epn-link" target="_blank" id="epn7">Transformers Go</a>!, were far more accurate expressions of how an actual Samurai would be like.SlyTF1 wrote:So, because he's a samurai played by a Japanese guy, he's obviously a stereotype. Right.
So was wheelie and jetfire
To be fair Drift was a Decepticon before joiming the Autobots so perhaps he hasn't had time to worry about the true meaning of honour!
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That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
Comment by SlyTF1
Jun 24, 2016
Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
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Pretty much all the movieverse bad guys are either one-dimensional or zero-dimensional. Unicron would fit right in.
Comment by Zeedust
Jun 24, 2016
Deadput wrote:Unicron is the worst thing they could do especially since he is a one dimension character from the start
Pretty much all the movieverse bad guys are either one-dimensional or zero-dimensional. Unicron would fit right in.
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And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
Comment by JazZeke
Jun 24, 2016
SlyTF1 wrote:Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
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And in the cases of Drift and every other unexplained/unmentioned/unexplored areas of AOE, there was next-to-no tie-in material to even provide such answers. So one couldn't even do the extra homework to get such answers since none were available at all.
Comment by Sabrblade
Jun 24, 2016
Precisely!JazZeke wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
And in the cases of Drift and every other unexplained/unmentioned/unexplored areas of AOE, there was next-to-no tie-in material to even provide such answers. So one couldn't even do the extra homework to get such answers since none were available at all.
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That's because it is the essence of bad storytelling - at least a major part of it
Comment by Hellscream9999
Jun 24, 2016
JazZeke wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
That's because it is the essence of bad storytelling - at least a major part of it
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You know that, and I know that. But Sly has his head burried so deep in his a- I mean, the sand, that he doesn't know that.
Comment by JazZeke
Jun 24, 2016
Hellscream9999 wrote:JazZeke wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
That's because it is the essence of bad storytelling - at least a major part of it
You know that, and I know that. But Sly has his head burried so deep in his a- I mean, the sand, that he doesn't know that.
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Mr. Plinkett for life yo
And to be fair, I don't mind having to dig for easter eggs, it's nice fan service; a main characters name shouldn't be treated that way
I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
Comment by Hellscream9999
Jun 24, 2016
JazZeke wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:JazZeke wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
That's because it is the essence of bad storytelling - at least a major part of it
You know that, and I know that. But Sly has his head burried so deep in his a- I mean, the sand, that he doesn't know that.
Mr. Plinkett for life yo
And to be fair, I don't mind having to dig for easter eggs, it's nice fan service; a main characters name shouldn't be treated that way
I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
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Comment by Sabrblade
Jun 24, 2016
Yup! Forget this guy's not having a backstory in the movie, dude doesn't even get a name despite being a roughly major player in the flick.Hellscream9999 wrote:I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
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A good Easter Egg is having Wakanda on a map in the background of Iron Man 2 like a half-dozen movies before Black Panther even shows up.
Assuming a character has the same backstory as the other incarnations in a franchise is not an Easter Egg.
Comment by JazZeke
Jun 24, 2016
Hellscream9999 wrote:JazZeke wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:JazZeke wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Kurona wrote:Well yes, but the point is that it's a point not addressed in the movie itself - hence most viewers will not know of it. You have to dig into extra material to know this particular character trait.
That's what I like about the movies. You have to work for answers.
And I consider that the essence of bad storytelling. A movie should provide all the relevant information to the audience within itself; audiences should not be expected to do homework or buy tie-in material to understand what is going on. When I buy a movie ticket, I expect to be paying for a whole story, not just part of a story.
Especially if said tie-in material isn't even written by the screenwriters, but left to other writers to clear up. That is the very definition of laziness.
That's because it is the essence of bad storytelling - at least a major part of it
You know that, and I know that. But Sly has his head burried so deep in his a- I mean, the sand, that he doesn't know that.
Mr. Plinkett for life yo
And to be fair, I don't mind having to dig for easter eggs, it's nice fan service; a main characters name shouldn't be treated that way
I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
A good Easter Egg is having Wakanda on a map in the background of Iron Man 2 like a half-dozen movies before Black Panther even shows up.
Assuming a character has the same backstory as the other incarnations in a franchise is not an Easter Egg.
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Comment by Hellscream9999
Jun 24, 2016
oof, screen-writing failure 101, #1, 2, and 3Sabrblade wrote:Yup! Forget this guy's not having a backstory in the movie, dude doesn't even get a name despite being a roughly major player in the flick.Hellscream9999 wrote:I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
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Did they? That's pretty cool, I don't dig for easter eggs (so by that logic, I shouldn't even know drift's name - way to go
), but it's cool that you can
Comment by Hellscream9999
Jun 24, 2016
JazZeke wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Mr. Plinkett for life yo
And to be fair, I don't mind having to dig for easter eggs, it's nice fan service; a main characters name shouldn't be treated that way
I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
A good Easter Egg is having Wakanda on a map in the background of Iron Man 2 like a half-dozen movies before Black Panther even shows up.
Assuming a character has the same backstory as the other incarnations in a franchise is not an Easter Egg.
Did they? That's pretty cool, I don't dig for easter eggs (so by that logic, I shouldn't even know drift's name - way to go
), but it's cool that you can
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But that was all pointing towards the Captain America movie, not Black Panther specifically since Cap's shield also showed up in the Iron Man movies and vibranium comes from Wakanda.
Emerje
Comment by Emerje
Jun 24, 2016
JazZeke wrote:A good Easter Egg is having Wakanda on a map in the background of Iron Man 2 like a half-dozen movies before Black Panther even shows up.
But that was all pointing towards the Captain America movie, not Black Panther specifically since Cap's shield also showed up in the Iron Man movies and vibranium comes from Wakanda.
Emerje
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Comment by Sabrblade
Jun 24, 2016
Su Yueming didn't even get her name said onscreen either. So for all we know, Li Bingbing's character would be known to moviegoers as just "that hot Chinese lady".Hellscream9999 wrote:oof, screen-writing failure 101, #1, 2, and 3Sabrblade wrote:Yup! Forget this guy's not having a backstory in the movie, dude doesn't even get a name despite being a roughly major player in the flick.Hellscream9999 wrote:I remember someone saying that they never even mentioned Drift's name, I won't waste my time re-watching that movie, but if that's true, then that would explain why they don't bother explaining his backstory
