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sol magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Root of the issue is, was MP BB "tagged" right on the box? If that is the case, claborn is as innocent as a baby. The mistake is with the store. If the tag was corrected, well, claborn was just lucky.
I don't see how that is the "root of the issue" at all.
He wasn't "lucky" in any way other than in getting the manager to go along with his chicanery. He knew before he went to the counter the price was wrong and he campaigned to get the toy for the price that was there (6.99). He even admitted to running this kind of game "all the time". Then he came on here to brag out it. Then several people cheered him on for it.
Bending the manager over the counter for a technicality is hardly "lucky", and he is hardly "innocent".
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O me, o my...
I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:
TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99
As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...
Am I going to praise the OP? I will say this, the OP did get lucky with the manager this time, but nothing else.
fenrir72 wrote:sol magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Root of the issue is, was MP BB "tagged" right on the box? If that is the case, claborn is as innocent as a baby. The mistake is with the store. If the tag was corrected, well, claborn was just lucky.
I don't see how that is the "root of the issue" at all.
He wasn't "lucky" in any way other than in getting the manager to go along with his chicanery. He knew before he went to the counter the price was wrong and he campaigned to get the toy for the price that was there (6.99). He even admitted to running this kind of game "all the time". Then he came on here to brag out it. Then several people cheered him on for it.
Bending the manager over the counter for a technicality is hardly "lucky", and he is hardly "innocent".
Woo hombre. Chill before we get into superflous bouts of piety. It isn't just the shelf where a product is laid in that determines a product price. Especially in TRU. the product is tagged with a retail price bar coded decal. If it's in the store database (see the receipt image, the encoded data on his receipt)
"TRNSFM MSTR Bumble & Spike"
630509466221
then he got a 58.00 INSTANT SAVINGS (take a good look at the picture)
For those in the know, the cash register staff just punches the buttons as those data are already encoded after they scan the item with a barcode reader.
The mistake was in the encoding/sticking the tag onto the product. Iirc, same thing happened a few years back at Amazon where SoC Daltanious was sold for a song.A glitch or someone had not been getting enough"Zs". Amazon still honored the sale for those who were lucky enough to order the item thinking it might have been a "flash" bargain sale or something.
claborne, sorry buddy, might be exaggerating he's "doing this all the time". It is a crime to switch tags but in this case, the system didn't flag him because the encoding was legit.
If I found a PS4 tagged with an ultra low price, I won't be a hypocrite, I'd buy it in a flash. Unless the store calls my attention for the mistake.
-Kanrabat- wrote:THIS. WAS. FRAUD. Pure and simple.
claborn wrote:william-james88 wrote:Its not a mistake. look at the photos, the price is for the alt modes, its even written. The store didnt look into it well enough because there is technically nothing to honour. We couldnt get away with it here in quebec. This was just an item placed over a wrong price tag. It really surprised me that the manger didnt look into that and check that the price tag was for the right product.
OK here's the science of how this worked... a retailer has to honor displayed price. But there are certain times when they can honor or deny.
If i had grabbed one and asked the nearest person the price, they could then say "oops no not $6.99"... But i took it to the register and waited until she read the total to bring up the price. Once it hits that scanner, the manager is backed into a corner, i gave him no other option. He knew he was giving me a crazy discount and he wasn't happy lol
To be honest, i do this all the time because people just don't care about their jobs in retail. I've bought most of my current TFs this way (not this big of a discount tho :lol), a lazy employee will fill a scout class peg with $20 titans returns figures. put over stock fort maxes above a voyager class sticker... employees just aren't paying attention.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Waiiiiiit...............claborn wrote:william-james88 wrote:Its not a mistake. look at the photos, the price is for the alt modes, its even written. The store didnt look into it well enough because there is technically nothing to honour. We couldnt get away with it here in quebec. This was just an item placed over a wrong price tag. It really surprised me that the manger didnt look into that and check that the price tag was for the right product.
OK here's the science of how this worked... a retailer has to honor displayed price. But there are certain times when they can honor or deny.
If i had grabbed one and asked the nearest person the price, they could then say "oops no not $6.99"... But i took it to the register and waited until she read the total to bring up the price. Once it hits that scanner, the manager is backed into a corner, i gave him no other option. He knew he was giving me a crazy discount and he wasn't happy lol
To be honest, i do this all the time because people just don't care about their jobs in retail. I've bought most of my current TFs this way (not this big of a discount tho :lol), a lazy employee will fill a scout class peg with $20 titans returns figures. put over stock fort maxes above a voyager class sticker... employees just aren't paying attention.
Oh...
OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................
The Bee actually scanned from the box at that price!
...
Well, too bad you werent in Québec because it would have meant a FREE MP-Bee. When such a stupid fokkop from a store happen, it's the lowest price minus 10$. If the value would go below zero, the item is free.
So in the end, SCORE!
Lemme tell you, it happenned to me a few times but not this epic.
sol magnus wrote:I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.
-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.
Not true. I dunno how it happen elsewhere, but when it happen to me, the manager HAVE to be involved. Otherwise, no "punitive damage" sale can happen.
sol magnus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:sol magnus wrote:I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.
Not true. I dunno how it happen elsewhere, but when it happen to me, the manager HAVE to be involved. Otherwise, no "punitive damage" sale can happen.
That would assume the cashier knew the figure wasn't the right price. Otherwise, the Bee scans for $6.99 and it gets shoved into a bag, you pay the price but say nothing and roll out.
sol magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:sol magnus wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Root of the issue is, was MP BB "tagged" right on the box? If that is the case, claborn is as innocent as a baby. The mistake is with the store. If the tag was corrected, well, claborn was just lucky.
I don't see how that is the "root of the issue" at all.
He wasn't "lucky" in any way other than in getting the manager to go along with his chicanery. He knew before he went to the counter the price was wrong and he campaigned to get the toy for the price that was there (6.99). He even admitted to running this kind of game "all the time". Then he came on here to brag out it. Then several people cheered him on for it.
Bending the manager over the counter for a technicality is hardly "lucky", and he is hardly "innocent".
Woo hombre. Chill before we get into superflous bouts of piety. It isn't just the shelf where a product is laid in that determines a product price. Especially in TRU. the product is tagged with a retail price bar coded decal. If it's in the store database (see the receipt image, the encoded data on his receipt)
"TRNSFM MSTR Bumble & Spike"
630509466221
then he got a 58.00 INSTANT SAVINGS (take a good look at the picture)
For those in the know, the cash register staff just punches the buttons as those data are already encoded after they scan the item with a barcode reader.
The mistake was in the encoding/sticking the tag onto the product. Iirc, same thing happened a few years back at Amazon where SoC Daltanious was sold for a song.A glitch or someone had not been getting enough"Zs". Amazon still honored the sale for those who were lucky enough to order the item thinking it might have been a "flash" bargain sale or something.
claborne, sorry buddy, might be exaggerating he's "doing this all the time". It is a crime to switch tags but in this case, the system didn't flag him because the encoding was legit.
If I found a PS4 tagged with an ultra low price, I won't be a hypocrite, I'd buy it in a flash. Unless the store calls my attention for the mistake.
It's not about piety. I can't say for a fact I wouldn't take advantage a store computer mistake. But, I certainly wouldn't try to force the store to give it to me at some absurdly reduced price, either. Very recently, I picked up a Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow pack that was on the wrong peg, marked "clearance". When I got to the counter, the price turned out to be quite a bit higher. I just shrugged and said, "Oh well" and purchased the item, anyway.
If I wanted to, I could have shown them the peg it came from as there was almost everything from that assortment except death-vipers or whatever they are still on the peg for the clearance price. However, I didn't because that wasn't the price of the item.
What probably rankles me the most is that after essentially cheating the store, he came on the forum to brag about it. That is, to me, low-class. It's my opinion, do with it what you will.
fenrir72 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O me, o my...
I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:
TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99
As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...
Am I going to praise the OP? I will say this, the OP did get lucky with the manager this time, but nothing else.
You are looking at the shelf tag. The shelf tag does not matter as to what was stuck on the box of the MP-BB. People people. When you check out at the cash register, the operator uses a bar code reader or slides the item over a built in sensor that read/decodes the barcode info in the price tag decal.
What's so hard at grasping that? You don't see a staff going all the way back to the shelf to check for the price unless the tag is visibly tampered with to arouse the staff's suspicions, or the item doesn't "show up" in the database.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:fenrir72 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O me, o my...
I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:
TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99
As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...
Am I going to praise the OP? I will say this, the OP did get lucky with the manager this time, but nothing else.
You are looking at the shelf tag. The shelf tag does not matter as to what was stuck on the box of the MP-BB. People people. When you check out at the cash register, the operator uses a bar code reader or slides the item over a built in sensor that read/decodes the barcode info in the price tag decal.
What's so hard at grasping that? You don't see a staff going all the way back to the shelf to check for the price unless the tag is visibly tampered with to arouse the staff's suspicions, or the item doesn't "show up" in the database.
Because the price tags (have to/should) match whatever is in the digital system for that particular item shown on it, no matter where it's located. That tag was not for MP Bumblebee, therefore should not have been used for that instance of price matching.
In the ideal scenario, the item itself rang up something like "TRNSFM BMBLBSPK" or whatever the store uses, same as on the tag, and that's the end of the story. Scanned price is FINAL price, at least that's what I was taught back homeWhy do you think we have price scanners in case a price tag is missing?
Instead, a conveniently misplaced tag, for a different item, was used to get that otherwise expensive figure for cheap, and the manager choose the side of the tag, while he should stayed with the scanned price (unless there's a discrepancy with the price while the name reasonably matched).
From what I can tell, the item did just that: rang up as normal, but the price was then brought down by the manager, on the insistence of the customer, claiming the lower price on the tag (for a different item) is what he's entitled to. Whether or not he was doesn't actually matter now (I'd say he wasn't since the name doesn't reasonably match the item in question). The manager agreed to the sale, making it perfectly legal, albeit under very much less ideal circumstances, and that leaves a bit of a sour taste.
fenrir72 wrote:In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.
Burn wrote:fenrir72 wrote:In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.
Exactly.
But if people don't want to accept that, well ... that's okay. They're allowed to feel otherwise.
At the end of the day, to me, he purchased it legally and got a bargain.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Burn wrote:fenrir72 wrote:In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.
Exactly.
But if people don't want to accept that, well ... that's okay. They're allowed to feel otherwise.
At the end of the day, to me, he purchased it legally and got a bargain.
I accept that it's legal. It's just the circumstances I don't agree with
fenrir72 wrote: The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote: The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.
What mistake? If there isnt enough generations pegs and there is a whole shipment of wave 2 deluxes, I can totally understand a store using some RID pegs for them. Its not practical, but I dont see it as a mistake. It only counts as a mistake by law if the price on the tag is not the right price and yet has the name and scan code of the figure. fenrir, have you ever seen a store have toys on the wrong peg? And if so, did you ever think of asking the store to give you the price you see on the peg, knowing it doesnt correspond to the item?
The part I dont like here is the idea of "honouring" a price. Your cant honour the price written if its a tag for a different product, in this case an alt modes figure.
And we are not just talking about this instance here, clareborne talks of having done this often in the past. Can we be 100% sure that everytime it was done it was because the store put a toy in the wrong peg and not someone else? And even then, does it matter?
And the transaction taking place does not make it legal. For instance, what if you go to TRU and price check with a fraudulent source. Say you go to walmart.com, print out a page for a deluxe toy and photoshop a different price in the listing. Then you present it for a price check. The transaction will go through, but fraudulent activity still took place. So does the transaction going through make it legal?
claborn wrote:Tl;Dr
-Kanrabat- wrote:claborn wrote:Tl;Dr
Please, please clarify ONE thing. When you went to the cash register and the cashier scanned the MP-Bee, did it scanned FROM THE BOX at 6.99$?
fenrir72 wrote:william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote: The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.
What mistake? If there isnt enough generations pegs and there is a whole shipment of wave 2 deluxes, I can totally understand a store using some RID pegs for them. Its not practical, but I dont see it as a mistake. It only counts as a mistake by law if the price on the tag is not the right price and yet has the name and scan code of the figure. fenrir, have you ever seen a store have toys on the wrong peg? And if so, did you ever think of asking the store to give you the price you see on the peg, knowing it doesnt correspond to the item?
The part I dont like here is the idea of "honouring" a price. Your cant honour the price written if its a tag for a different product, in this case an alt modes figure.
And we are not just talking about this instance here, clareborne talks of having done this often in the past. Can we be 100% sure that everytime it was done it was because the store put a toy in the wrong peg and not someone else? And even then, does it matter?
And the transaction taking place does not make it legal. For instance, what if you go to TRU and price check with a fraudulent source. Say you go to walmart.com, print out a page for a deluxe toy and photoshop a different price in the listing. Then you present it for a price check. The transaction will go through, but fraudulent activity still took place. So does the transaction going through make it legal?
Again. I reserve judgement on clarborne's part/intentions. As I already answered the part of his "bragging" achievements....emphasis on bragging.......
What you are digging or over thinking at is if there is intended malfeasance by a certain individual to defraud.
Of course I'd throw the book of the law at that individual if he does all that PS things you are mentioning (though I doubt PS can actually clone the embedded barcode data). Going to all the trouble to deceive is a felony. Same as selling an item which isn't what you present it to be is a fraud. Only a very very very sick and amoral person would encourage other to keep on doing it.
Again,from what I see from clareborne is his "over stating" his previous "achievements".
"So please cool off and leave me alone" (sounds familiar?).......also, what's the difference between the content of my post and Burn's?
SpacerAM2 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:SpacerAM2 wrote:the price is always honored on the shelf of that item. regardless of the price on the register. got to claim your right as a customer there or at any store. got to make your case on the register though. not before. which you did. nice find! you deserve it!
No, it was theft.
The 6.99$ label CLEARLY stated that it was for SOMETHING ELSE. By that logic, I could take Fortmax, put it above a candy bar price tag, and have a Fortmax for 1$.
If on the 6.99$ LABEL ITSELF, it was written "MP-Bee", only then he would have a right. What he did was a bloody fraud. He know this and the manager was either an acomplice, or incompetent.
SpacerAM2 wrote:if 6.99 is the actual price on the shelf, it is honored as it should. even if they change it afterwards. cause that is how much it was going for. especially if he makes his case about it. then the price should be honored in his regard or anyone's regard. it is not theft. it is customer policy.
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