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duragrip wrote:By cheapen, I mean Ironman is not really one of a kind. That's why I was not interested in watching Ironman 2 because the enemy had a whole army of Ironmen with suits more powerful than him.

Tony Stark's Iron Man suits, be it his own or the one Rhody commandeered, were never meant to be one of a kind but part of an ever-expanding series of newer suits.

War Machine is a retrofitted MK.II prototype from the first movie...taken from Tony Stark by Rhodes (although dialogue between Fury, Black Widow and Tony at the donut shop implies that Tony actually let Rhodes fly away with the suit), and then placed in the hands of the hack industrialist Justin Hammer, and hastily prettied up in time for his big reveal at the Stark Expo. If you actually gave IM2 a chance and watched the movie, then you'll have known why.

It's impossible to expect the IM suit to be like Thor's Hammer or Spidey's super powers because replication and upgrading is the very nature of technology. No weapon remains one of a kind or even top of the line forever, not even for longer than a decade. Information gets leaked or stolen, companies try to replicate it, etc.

And having different iterations of the same base design is expected of a movie with elements involving the military industry--it's what makes it believable. Just look at the F-22 Raptor. Not long after it's unveiled and enters service, both China and Russia also start R&D on their own version, with a very similar silhouette. What happened in IM2 reflects the realities of the military industry.

And to set the record straight, the DRONES in IM2 were obviously unmanned--that's why they're called Hammer Drones (although Tony prefers to call them Hammer-oids ).

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Besides, the IM suit isn't some mythical object like Myolnir, where there's only one in the world, and you can't replicate it.

lets not forget, that even a mythical object like Thors hammer Mjölnir, is not the only one of its kind and it has been replicated

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Besides, the IM suit isn't some mythical object like Myolnir, where there's only one in the world, and you can't replicate it.

lets not forget, that even a mythical object like Thors hammer Mjölnir, is not the only one of its kind and it has been replicated

Well, at least I didn't call it "mew-mew".

TBH, I've only watched the movies, so I've absolutely no knowledge of what happened in the comics. That might change soon, as I've pretty much become a fan of the Avengers franchise.

That's probably why I've always found Ironman to be a boring superhero. The first Ironman movie while technically good was kind of boring to me.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Besides, the IM suit isn't some mythical object like Myolnir, where there's only one in the world, and you can't replicate it.

lets not forget, that even a mythical object like Thors hammer Mjölnir, is not the only one of its kind and it has been replicated

Well, at least I didn't call it "mew-mew".

TBH, I've only watched the movies, so I've absolutely no knowledge of what happened in the comics. That might change soon, as I've pretty much become a fan of the Avengers franchise.

"mew-mew"

fyi, many of marvel heroes have types of "clones".
Hulk has Red Hulk
Cap America has the U.S,Agent.
Ironman has War Machine
Thor has Beta Ray Bill.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Besides, the IM suit isn't some mythical object like Myolnir, where there's only one in the world, and you can't replicate it.

lets not forget, that even a mythical object like Thors hammer Mjölnir, is not the only one of its kind and it has been replicated

Well, at least I didn't call it "mew-mew".

TBH, I've only watched the movies, so I've absolutely no knowledge of what happened in the comics. That might change soon, as I've pretty much become a fan of the Avengers franchise.

"mew-mew"

fyi, many of marvel heroes have types of "clones".
Hulk has Red Hulk
Cap America has the U.S,Agent.
Ironman has War Machine
Thor has Beta Ray Bill.

Not to mention before US Agent Nomad. Seems being "green" is prevalent in both companies (Marvel/DC). "Green" as in the "recycling" worn out ideas schtick. Marvel does it with more flair though.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Besides, the IM suit isn't some mythical object like Myolnir, where there's only one in the world, and you can't replicate it.

lets not forget, that even a mythical object like Thors hammer Mjölnir, is not the only one of its kind and it has been replicated

Well, at least I didn't call it "mew-mew".

TBH, I've only watched the movies, so I've absolutely no knowledge of what happened in the comics. That might change soon, as I've pretty much become a fan of the Avengers franchise.

"mew-mew"

fyi, many of marvel heroes have types of "clones".
Hulk has Red Hulk
Cap America has the U.S,Agent.
Ironman has War Machine
Thor has Beta Ray Bill.

I guess it's easier to create "counterparts" than to come up with totally new characters. It's natural, considering the relatively hectic release dates of a typical comic issue. I've read that manga artists in Japan can and do fall sick from overwork and stressing themselves out over the creation of new characters, and it's probably a similar case in the US comics industry.

duragrip wrote:That's probably why I've always found Ironman to be a boring superhero. The first Ironman movie while technically good was kind of boring to me.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I actually like to see different iterations of the same base design, and how rivals try to one-up Tony's original suit. Besides, the stories of each movie are pretty well-written.

See, DG? It's a refreshing feel from just posting questions and ignoring replies, right? (@Burn: I'm not being snarky or mocking him; just sincerely glad that he's starting to engage in a proper discussion.)

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:TBH, I've only watched the movies, so I've absolutely no knowledge of what happened in the comics. That might change soon, as I've pretty much become a fan of the Avengers franchise.

Wait until after the Secret Wars nonsense. Aside from Secret Avengers and Hawkeye's solo book the current story arc is just garbage.

Burn wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:TBH, I've only watched the movies, so I've absolutely no knowledge of what happened in the comics. That might change soon, as I've pretty much become a fan of the Avengers franchise.

Wait until after the Secret Wars nonsense. Aside from Secret Avengers and Hawkeye's solo book the current story arc is just garbage.

I kinda enjoyed the Dark Avengers stuff, but that's neither really Avengers nor within the context of this thread.

P.S. Was it called Dark Avengers, or was it Dark Reign, or was the even a comic about them?

Terrence Howard was supposed to be War Machine from the 1st Ironman.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:P.S. Was it called Dark Avengers, or was it Dark Reign, or was the even a comic about them?

Spun out of Dark Reign. It was really just Thunderbolts which WAS a good book until the most recent iteration.

I wonder if they could pull off a classic Thunderbolts movie...

What was the problem that Tony solved that his dad hid in the model?

Where did Tony get Captain America's shield; it's supposed to be one-of-a-kind.

Guys, concerning the Avengers. As I've avoided reading any spoilers on the upcoming movie, will this be the "last" as in Trilogy last? Already have 3 premier tickets for April 22.The wait is killing me but I'm a bit sad if this will be the last. Or, hopefully break the Trilogy course and make a Quintology?

Also, despite the bad rep it got, I really dig Nic Cage's "Ghost Rider". The 1st anyway. You can really see were all the money was spent. The 2nd was a wasted potential.

fenrir72 wrote:Also, despite the bad rep it got, I really dig Nic Cage's "Ghost Rider". The 1st anyway. You can really see were all the money was spent. The 2nd was a wasted potential.

I thought the 2nd Ghost Rider was much better then the 1st.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Also, despite the bad rep it got, I really dig Nic Cage's "Ghost Rider". The 1st anyway. You can really see were all the money was spent. The 2nd was a wasted potential.

I thought the 2nd Ghost Rider was much better then the 1st.

1st established the back story. The second, well imho suffered what seems to be a lack of budget. And, they changed Mephisto's human avatar. Sure an actor can be changed as the devil has many faces but Fonda makes a good devil.

Maybe I can use Tony Stark as inspiration to invent and create things. Do you think I'm as smart as him?

You know, I apologize because I'm clueless about this, but what exactly is Thanos's backstory? He's the "Mad Titan" according to the Nova Corps and he apparently can destroy a heavily armed planet. Kind of wondering how that works.

fenrir72 wrote:Guys, concerning the Avengers. As I've avoided reading any spoilers on the upcoming movie, will this be the "last" as in Trilogy last? Already have 3 premier tickets for April 22.The wait is killing me but I'm a bit sad if this will be the last. Or, hopefully break the Trilogy course and make a Quintology?

What, you mean Age of Ultron? Of course it's not the last, Phase 3 is planned out for two Avengers movies, so it's at least going to be a Tetralogy.

Madeus Prime wrote:You know, I apologize because I'm clueless about this, but what exactly is Thanos's backstory? He's the "Mad Titan" according to the Nova Corps and he apparently can destroy a heavily armed planet. Kind of wondering how that works.

comic's back story.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

the film adaptation of the character may be different but we cant say yet

Madeus Prime wrote:You know, I apologize because I'm clueless about this, but what exactly is Thanos's backstory? He's the "Mad Titan" according to the Nova Corps and he apparently can destroy a heavily armed planet. Kind of wondering how that works.

He's from the moon Titan. Most of them look human, but he's well, look at him. He's powerful and has augmented himself as I remember. Oh and he's in love with Death. Not simply killing, no, the auctual entity Death. She' a Cosmic entity who he is obsessed with, and tries to prove his devotion towards.

And he sometimes gets his hands on weapons that can alter reality.

Also, stop reading this thread and watch Daredevil. Now. Do it. You'll thank me later.

Damn is that show awesome. The main fight in the second episode, that was art.

Why aren't Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver getting as much press as the regulars?

duragrip wrote:Why aren't Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver getting as much press as the regulars?

Because they're not as awesome as Iron Man, Captain America and Thor. And they belong in X-Men.

I mean seriously, that's the only problem I have going into this movie; Scarlet Witch I can understand, as she's important enough to Avenger's mythos, but Quicksilver isn't and is only included to screw with 20 th Century Fox. Couldn't they have used...

Okay, you know what? After drawibg a blank on another fenale character they could 've used, I did a search on other female Avenger; the only other easily recognizable name was Tigra, so I guess I should just stop being bitter.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Because they're not as awesome as Iron Man, Captain America and Thor. And they belong in X-Men.

No they don't. They're most likely not mutants as it was just revealed Magneto is NOT the father (take that Maury!)

Given his connection with Inhumans, Quicksilver may be a connecting bridge between Avengers and Inhumans.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:I mean seriously, that's the only problem I have going into this movie; Scarlet Witch I can understand, as she's important enough to Avenger's mythos, but Quicksilver isn't and is only included to screw with 20 th Century Fox. Couldn't they have used...

Both of the twins are just as closely tied with Avengers as they are with X-Men. That was one of Joss Whedon's explanations for using them, and why they were allowed to use them at all.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Okay, you know what? After drawibg a blank on another fenale character they could 've used, I did a search on other female Avenger; the only other easily recognizable name was Tigra, so I guess I should just stop being bitter.

I'm surprised you don't think "She-Hulk" is a recognizable name. That or it inexplicably didn't turn up in your search. Did it also fail to include Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, and Jessica Jones? Or Wasp, who was on the team before Captain America?