The Energon Pub

[Star_ling]

Who here has Animated Shockwave on their X-mas list this year?

I was on the fence about this figure but changed my mind when I saw the purple version. Really glad I'm waiting for it instead of getting the blue one. If I was a bit more of a completist I'd get one of each, Blue for Longarm and Purple for Shockwave.

[Robot4762]

Who here has Animated Shockwave on their X-mas list this year?

I was on the fence about this figure but changed my mind when I saw the purple version. Really glad I'm waiting for it instead of getting the blue one. If I was a bit more of a completist I'd get one of each, Blue for Longarm and Purple for Shockwave.

Purple version? "Pics or it didn't happen" they say.

[Sabrblade]

Purple version? "Pics or it didn't happen" they say.

Here:


And here's something else:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I am capable. The question was allready answered once. I just refuse to answer the same question twice.

If your capable you've yet to provide 1 logical answer to the question.

I never said anything about a possibility or a template. How did you get all that out of "They're really intent on making an Autobot Avengers team."

By this.....

Rodimus Prime = Hawk Eye

By that alone your indicating that you believe that in some way,shape or form they are going to use Hawkeye as a template for Rodimus.

Ether in character,appearance or character is the question.

No part of that says anything about personality.

And no part of any of that says anything about appearance either does it???

Shame on me for trying to shead a little light on the conversation and expand on it right????

I verry well didn't.

You did by responding to my statement.

What does the color Green have to do with personality?

You tell me...your the one harping on the Color Green.

All I said was that Rodimus could also be based on Green Arrow.

I was still talking about appearance.

As I pointed out you never said anything about appearance in your first post.

I was trying to change the subject back to appearance, you keep bringing up personality and only you.

Because you claimed the idea of Rodimus being based on Green Arrow was wrong because Rodimus had no "Green" on him.

All I've done is change the subject back to the original topic I started with. You keep getting off track.

And as I said you never started with the subject of "Appearances".

You simply linked the 2 characters with out listing any reasons.

How did no one mention appearance? You quoted me talking about wearing the color Green, that's appearance.

Which was your 2nd post and was in responce to my green Arrow post.

You did not start the conversation saying you felt that Rodimus and Hawkeye looked like each other.

Sabreblade knew that from the begining,

"Sabre" obviously knew which direction you were point the conversation twards...and to be honest so did I but since you didnt say anything about appearances in your first post I figured it would be in good sence to expand on the idea of comic book heros being the bases for TFA characters.

And you really cant deny the possibility that they could be useing Green Arrow as the template for Rodimus's character.

you on meds again?

You know I'm always on meds....but how do you explain your need to argue.

Even "Sabre" knew what I was trying to say and you should know me better by now.

I always expand on small ideas.

That much is true but I never mentioned personality either, that was you who brought that up.

Exactly...to expand on the idea you brought up....to add to the conversation.

I thought thats why we were all here????

I didn't think I needed to,

Thats the problem...you dont think.

you look at his picture and it's kinda obvious why. Sabreblade even pointed that out in a later post yet you still kept changeing the subject.

Not changing the subject....expanding on the conversation.

Again thats why were here.

Great but as I said before without knowing anything about them there's really nothing to add that hasn't allready been said so why keep bringing it up?

Two reasons....

1] your making an argument of it.

2] isint the reason we all post here to talk about new ideas and the possibilities of future stories????

You didn't really show me anything. Nothing in thoughs quotes you gave ever mentions their personality.

Go ahead keep deniying the facts.

You entered the conversation with me when you responded to my post about Green Arrow.

Sabreblade knew what I was talking about so I guess you could of known.

See above somewhere.

That doesn't even matter,

Sure it does since the bases for your argument has been that you were talking about appearance.....which you never said in your first post.

the fact is, when you originally posted about their personality that was fine, but after that I added nothing to it and tried to change the subject back to Appearance.

You added to it by saying......

Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow

Thats as good as saying I'm dead wrong.

You kept bringing back the personality thing which as I keep saying, everything that can be said has been said so let it die allready. I just don't understand why you keep beating the dead horse.

Again your the one making an argument of it.

If you want to let it die then dont reply.

I never needed to ask what your reasoning was. I knew what your reasoning was. I went into exsplaining my reasoning then you changed the subject back to the dead horse.

What you did was start the argument by saying I was wrong when you said....

Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow

As I said thats the same as saying I'm dead wrong.

Are you going to tell me that you cant see how those words can start a debate????

Because non of the characters so far have had ANY simular personality traits with their hero counterparts.

They dont have "ANY" color scheme traits with their hero counterparts either do they???

At best 2 of they share a weapons trait and an other the ability to change into silver looking steel.

So if they were baseing him on the Green Arrow it would be in his APPEARANCE not his personality. Hence he would be wearing GREEN as the GREEN Arrow.

Again you havent provided a reason why since non of the characters share any "APPEARANCE" traits with their hero counter parts.

I said that the first time you asked the same question so you're again just trying to drive the conversation in circles.

Again you havent answered.

Non of the other characters share any appearance or color scheme traits with the hero counterparts you listed.

They share the same weapons but thats it.

You linked Ultra Magnus to Thor but he looks nothing like Thor.Yes he has a hammer but so does Steel, so does Beta Ray Bill,so does Vanguard and so do a great number of other heroes.

You linked Sentinel Prime to Captain America because he has a shield but so does the U.S. Agent, so does the Red Guardian, so does the Guardian and so do a great number of other heroes.

You linked Ironhide to Colossus because he turned to steel but so does "STEEL" so can the Adsorbing man and a good number of other characters that I cant remember their names right now.

But non of the characters you linked share any appearance traits.

So based on that Rodimus has a bow and arrow type weapon...well so do the heroes Hawkeye,Green Arrow,Red Arrow,Speedy,Arrowette, and a great number more.

And here's something else:

Now Sunstorm I like.

[Star_ling]

Who here has Animated Shockwave on their X-mas list this year?

I was on the fence about this figure but changed my mind when I saw the purple version. Really glad I'm waiting for it instead of getting the blue one. If I was a bit more of a completist I'd get one of each, Blue for Longarm and Purple for Shockwave.

Purple version? "Pics or it didn't happen" they say.

I should remember to post pics when referencing unreleased figures. Yes that Shockwave (thank you Sabrblade) is the one I was speaking of. Whenever he appears I will most certainly get him. I can wait on the other though as I prefer G1 colors on most TF's I get.

[Sabrblade]

Sabreblade knew that from the begining,

"Sabre" obviously knew which direction you were point the conversation twards...and to be honest so did I but since you didnt say anything about appearances in your first post I figured it would be in good sence to expand on the idea of comic book heros being the bases for TFA characters.

And you really cant deny the possibility that they could be useing Green Arrow as the template for Rodimus's character.

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Even "Sabre" knew what I was trying to say and you should know me better by now.

I always expand on small ideas.

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you look at his picture and it's kinda obvious why. Sabreblade even pointed that out in a later post yet you still kept changeing the subject.

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Sabreblade knew what I was talking about so I guess you could of known.

There's only one E in my name.

[Saber Prime]

Rodimus Prime = Hawk Eye

By that alone your indicating that you believe that in some way,shape or form they are going to use Hawkeye as a template for Rodimus.

Ether in character,appearance or character is the question.

Why did you say character twice?

What does the color Green have to do with personality?

You tell me...your the one harping on the Color Green.

It has absolutly nothing to do with Personality. I started that post by saying "back on subject" Your reply was noted, loged, and ignored untill future refrence when we actully know what his personality is.

I was still talking about appearance.

As I pointed out you never said anything about appearance in your first post.

And I never said anything about personality either so I fail to see how that's a valid point. My first post may not of been clear but my second post clearly mentions the COLOR GREEN as an aspect of APPEARANCE. The question is even if you have a valid reason to missunderstand the first post and I will admit you do, how does that exsplain how you continually missunderstood AFTER I was clearly talking about appearance in my SECOND post?

I was trying to change the subject back to appearance, you keep bringing up personality and only you.

Because you claimed the idea of Rodimus being based on Green Arrow was wrong because Rodimus had no "Green" on him.

Yes which is clearly an aspect of his APPEARANCE not his personality. We don't know what his personality is so why talk about it? I was changeing the subject, it's that simple. I just don't get how that's so hard to understand.

All I've done is change the subject back to the original topic I started with. You keep getting off track.

And as I said you never started with the subject of "Appearances".

You simply linked the 2 characters with out listing any reasons.

Again, I didn't feel the reasons needed to be listed. If you read each comparison all of the Transformers share simular "powers" and weapon as the Marvel characters they were being compaired to.

I even exsplained that comparison in a later post and still after that you keep going back into Parsonalitys.

Non of your excuses are holding any weight because everything you're claiming hasn't been exsplained actully has, multiple times, and multiple ways. I'm actully starting to get annoyed by it.

We've had this conversation before, your not going to get any different answers by asking the same questions over and over again. All that's going to accomplish is to annoy the hell out of me.

How did no one mention appearance? You quoted me talking about wearing the color Green, that's appearance.

Which was your 2nd post and was in responce to my green Arrow post.

You did not start the conversation saying you felt that Rodimus and Hawkeye looked like each other.

I actully DID start the conversation that way, you just failed to see what they were being compaired to because you're stuck on the personality subject. It's actully preddy clear if you can find the link, the common factor in each comparison.

Sentinal Prime = Captain America, both have shields

Ultra Magnus = Thor, both have a Hammer and lighting based powers

Rodimus Prime = Halkeye, Both use a bow and arrow

Is there any part that even sugests or implys anything about personality? No there isn't, they just all have simular powers and weapons which is all part of Appearance.

I don't see why you're even disputing this, I'm sorry to say, but it seems everyone else that read that knew what I was talking about from the first post. You're the only one who couldn't figure it out.

Sabreblade knew that from the begining,

"Sabre" obviously knew which direction you were point the conversation twards...and to be honest so did I but since you didnt say anything about appearances in your first post I figured it would be in good sence to expand on the idea of comic book heros being the bases for TFA characters.

As I said before, it was a nice thought but without knowing what his personality is there isn't anything we can add to that side of the converstion untill we actully see him.

That much is true but I never mentioned personality either, that was you who brought that up.

Exactly...to expand on the idea you brought up....to add to the conversation.

I thought thats why we were all here????

You're finally addmitting you started it eh? And again, how is that supose to exspand on the conversation when we don't know what his personality is yet? How do you exspect us to talk about something neither of us has seen yet?

I've asked that question several times now and you still have yet to answer it. I'd really like to know how to talk about a subject that neither of us knows about.

Great but as I said before without knowing anything about them there's really nothing to add that hasn't allready been said so why keep bringing it up?

Two reasons....

1] your making an argument of it.

2] isint the reason we all post here to talk about new ideas and the possibilities of future stories????

1. How can I be makeing an arguement of it when I have not once ever commented on the personailty debate.

2. OK I'll give you that one but still what can we possibly add that hasn't allready been said? Untill we actully see him there's really no point in continueing to talk about his personality. I never even entered that conversation as I had nothing to add to it at this time and you keep continueing to argue visual facts with speculation on what could or couldn't be his personality. It makes no sence.

You didn't really show me anything. Nothing in thoughs quotes you gave ever mentions their personality.

Go ahead keep deniying the facts.

You entered the conversation with me when you responded to my post about Green Arrow.

I'm not denying facts. I'm stateing them. Here's my second post again.

Yes I was going by Apperance and weaponry not on personality.

And Sentinal Prime is only compaired to the Tick because he not only shares a simular design but the same voice actor!

At any rate I don't consider Tick to be a real super hero but rather just a spoof hero. Meaning his series was all one big joke where as other Super Heroes are useually more serious with a few humorous moments.

Back on subject, Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow because that would require him to have at least some GREEN in his color scheme. Allthough I wouldn't be at all suprised if Hasbro made a green repaint of his mold.

And we've had the Thor vs High Father conversation before. I can see the personality resembalance to High Father but his powers and weapon are closer to being Thor. The guy has a big hammer that shoots electricity.

It allso seems that the insperation for most of their powers seems to be taken from Marvel comics characters. Ironhide = Colosus, forgot to mention him, he was only in the 2 episodes and only used his power the one time.

I still have no idea who Optimus and his crew would be. Who uses a rocket powered Ax?

The parts in bold are clearly talking about APPEARANCE not Personality. I never replied your personality subject as you claim I did. I never even quoted you. I refrenced the Green Arrow, I clearly stated I was refering to appearance not personality and your reply was this.

Which seem like an odd thing for you to say since neither of your other comparisons, Sentinel Prime = Captain America and Ultra Magnus = Thor , really share any color scheme apps with each other.

Aside from haveing the color blue.

I then exsplained

Why is it odd? Color isn't all that important unless it's actully part of your name in which case you should be wearing that color.

Your next reply was

Because as I said non of the other characters that you linked to comic book superheroes have a color scheme match.

And so far every one you linked I have a hard time agreeing with.

Sentinel Prime = Captain America....Why because he has a shield?????

Captain America isint the only Superhero with a shield.

Ultra Magnus = Thor...Why because he has a Hammer that shoots electricity?????

Thor isint the only superhero with a Hammer and Thors hammer doesnt shoot electricity.

I believe you mentioned others in the past that I dont agree with but I cant remember right now.

About the only one I can almost see is Colossus and Ironhide.And still Colossus isint the only Hero that can turn to steel.

And.....were talking about the possibility that TFA Rodimus character may be based on either Green Arrow or Hawkeye not on wether a Superhere with a color in his name should wear that color.

And there in bold is where you brought that conversation back. By this time you KNEW I was refering Appearance, you had mentioned appearance several times in reply to me yet you just said that wasn't what we were talking about even though clearly you knew it was.

Seriously the first time you brought up personality was fine, but this, this is just plain redudant and this is what keeps driveing the conversation in circles. You keep bringing this back into the converstion where there's nothing to add to it. Everything that could be said, has been said so let it die so we can move forward. Getting tired of going in reverse.

the fact is, when you originally posted about their personality that was fine, but after that I added nothing to it and tried to change the subject back to Appearance.

You added to it by saying......

Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow

Thats as good as saying I'm dead wrong.

Sure when you cut up the quote so it changes what I really said. I put that full post up abouve some where with the important parts in bold.

You kept bringing back the personality thing which as I keep saying, everything that can be said has been said so let it die allready. I just don't understand why you keep beating the dead horse.

Again your the one making an argument of it.

If you want to let it die then dont reply.

I never have replyed saying anything about Personality, I have not been argueing anything about Personality, you have shown no evidence that I have other than by butchering my words around. You're the one who won't let it die, you're the one and I proved that abouve somewhere who keeps reintorduceing it.

If you really want me to not reply it's going to become verry close to I'm not going to reply AT ALL to anything. Not to the subject which I never replyed to in the first place, but to you.

Are you going to tell me that you cant see how those words can start a debate????

I can see it, but only because you butchered my post and took them out of their full context which gives them a COMPLETLY different meaning than I had intended.

So if they were baseing him on the Green Arrow it would be in his APPEARANCE not his personality. Hence he would be wearing GREEN as the GREEN Arrow.

Again you havent provided a reason why since non of the characters share any "APPEARANCE" traits with their hero counter parts.

The weapons they carrey are as much a part of their appearance as their costumes so how can you say they don't share any appearance traits?

I said that the first time you asked the same question so you're again just trying to drive the conversation in circles.

Again you havent answered.

Non of the other characters share any appearance or color scheme traits with the hero counterparts you listed.

They share the same weapons but thats it.

You linked Ultra Magnus to Thor but he looks nothing like Thor.Yes he has a hammer but so does Steel, so does Beta Ray Bill,so does Vanguard and so do a great number of other heroes.

You linked Sentinel Prime to Captain America because he has a shield but so does the U.S. Agent, so does the Red Guardian, so does the Guardian and so do a great number of other heroes.

You linked Ironhide to Colossus because he turned to steel but so does "STEEL" so can the Adsorbing man and a good number of other characters that I cant remember their names right now.

Steel doesn't turn into Steel and technically neiter does Ironhide.

Ironhide is techically allready metal, he is a robot after all, but he does appear to get a harder than normal armor plateing.

Steel wears a suit of armor, it's not a power, it's technoligy.

[Sabrblade]

Steel doesn't turn into Steel and technically neiter does Ironhide.

Ironhide is techically allready metal, he is a robot after all, but he does appear to get a harder than normal armor plateing.

Steel wears a suit of armor, it's not a power, it's technoligy.

Well, technically it is technology for Ironhide too. A different kind though.

Actually, since he's a TF, in his case, his power = his technology.

But I get what you're saying. For Steel, he's wearing his steel structure. For Ironhide, his body becomes the steel-like structure.

[Devastator4ever]

Im just gonna say this right now! The TF Animated show on now sucks and is the worst by far. And also the worst animation in cartoons today. It sucks. The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one. People might not like Armada, Energon or Cybertron series but at least they were well done shows. This show is so bad it makes the animation from the 84 cartoon look good. Thats just really pathetic!

[Sabrblade]

Im just gonna say this right now! The TF Animated show on now sucks and is the worst by far. And also the worst animation in cartoons today. It sucks. The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one. People might not like Armada, Energon or Cybertron series but at least they were well done shows. This show is so bad it makes the animation from the 84 cartoon look good. Thats just really pathetic!

Erm...

Uh...

...Welcome to the thread. Where lots of people can and will disagree with your opinion.

Now you say "The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one." Which "old one"? There's lots of "old ones".

[Devastator4ever]

Im just gonna say this right now! The TF Animated show on now sucks and is the worst by far. And also the worst animation in cartoons today. It sucks. The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one. People might not like Armada, Energon or Cybertron series but at least they were well done shows. This show is so bad it makes the animation from the 84 cartoon look good. Thats just really pathetic!

Erm...

Uh...

...Welcome to the thread. Where lots of people can and will disagree with your opinion.

Now you say "The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one." Which "old one"? There's lots of "old ones".

I was on here last year under the name of Godzilla. But thanks anyways.

The very first one. Actually none of the ones previous to this are like this one.

[Saber Prime]

Im just gonna say this right now! The TF Animated show on now sucks and is the worst by far. And also the worst animation in cartoons today. It sucks. The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one. People might not like Armada, Energon or Cybertron series but at least they were well done shows. This show is so bad it makes the animation from the 84 cartoon look good. Thats just really pathetic!

The only thing you said that I'll actully agree with is the Animation. I've never liked the animation for this series and it's the one part about it I still hate.

As for the story, that has been changed in EVERY new telling so why is this any different from R.I.D., The Unicron Trilligy, and the live action that were allso no where near the old one? They're not trying to be like the old one.

As for Armada, Energon, and Cybertron, SAY WHAT? I've said this before but you might not of been around then. Armada was the WORST wrighten series of all time. Characters were constantly being called by the wrong name, the plot of the series seemed to change every time a new character was introduced, Galvatron was made out to be the big hero who defeated Unicron at the end. Basically Armada switched the sides around so the Autobots were the bad guys and the Decepticons were the heroes.

Energon and Cybertron weren't nearly as bad but I have to completly ignore they have any conection what so ever with Armada or to eachother because the storys between these so called Trilligys don't link well with eachother at all.

I basically treat the 3 parts of the Trilligy as being 3 stand alone series. I still call them the Unicron Trilligy because offically that's what they're supose to be but they make alot more sence if you treat them as a stand alone series and pretend Armada never exsisted.

As for the last part of your statement, to be perfectly honest, I think the original G1 Animation was the best at least in terms of the human characters. The anime styal humans, just aren't doing it for me, G1 was the only series where the human characters were actully drawn with realistic proportions.

In terms of the Transformers themselfs, ignoreing the awfull designs, Beast Machines actully had the most detailing in their animation and had the most fluant looking animation.

If you wanna go agenst the CGI models then my next pick would be Armada. I hated that series with a passion but the animation was the one redeeming quality. However they took out the one good thing about it to big us the crappiest mix of Hand Drawn and CGI animation the world has ever seen.

Still even that choppy block art of Energon and Cybertron was better than Animated.

And I just like to make it perfectly clear, I don't really care if you like or hate the series, I just don't agree with your reasoning for hateing the series. Especially when you claim Armada was a better wrighten show. I can't even watch Armada again because I had such a constant head ach trying to figure out the constantly chageing plot the first time I'd rather not go through that again.

Honestly I think all the live action movie was is a bunch of Exsplosions by Micheal Bay and even that had a more coherent plot than Armada.

[Dead Metal]

Im just gonna say this right now! The TF Animated show on now sucks and is the worst by far. And also the worst animation in cartoons today. It sucks. The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one. People might not like Armada, Energon or Cybertron series but at least they were well done shows. This show is so bad it makes the animation from the 84 cartoon look good. Thats just really pathetic!

Erm...

Uh...

...Welcome to the thread. Where lots of people can and will disagree with your opinion.

Now you say "The story is no where near the old one. They can't be like the old one." Which "old one"? There's lots of "old ones".

I was on here last year under the name of Godzilla. But thanks anyways.

The very first one. Actually none of the ones previous to this are like this one.

So you're godzilla? The one with the sig that used to tear threads into the most ridicules whites?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

There's only one E in my name.

Sorry buddy

Why did you say character twice?

I F'ed up.

It has absolutly nothing to do with Personality. I started that post by saying "back on subject"

And you followed that by saying "it cant be" and as I pointed out thats as good as saying I was dead wrong.

Your reply was noted, loged, and ignored untill future refrence when we actully know what his personality is.

Again were all here to talk about the serries as it is and about whats to come.

Hence why I tried to expand on the conversation.

And I never said anything about personality either so I fail to see how that's a valid point. My first post may not of been clear but my second post clearly mentions the COLOR GREEN as an aspect of APPEARANCE. The question is even if you have a valid reason to missunderstand the first post and I will admit you do, how does that exsplain how you continually missunderstood AFTER I was clearly talking about appearance in my SECOND post?

I didnt misunderstand you at all.

Your second post started the debate by saying my idea could not be right.

I asked you why and so far you havent given me a logical answer other then the idea that Rodimus should then wear green.

Which is irrelivent since the other characters dont share a color scheme with the heros you linked as their counterparts.

Yes which is clearly an aspect of his APPEARANCE not his personality.

Which is as clearly not applicable to the case since the other characters you linked to heroes dont share any appearance traits with each other either.

We don't know what his personality is so why talk about it?

This is a discussion forums.Talking abiout new idea is why were all here.

I was changeing the subject, it's that simple. I just don't get how that's so hard to understand.

And you changed the subject by saying I was "DEAD WRONG" ,in not so many words, If you cant see how that can spark a debate then I dont know what to tell you.

Again, I didn't feel the reasons needed to be listed. If you read each comparison all of the Transformers share simular "powers" and weapon as the Marvel characters they were being compaired to.

Now your on the right track....now tell me how does Green Arrow not fit that criteria as well as Hawkeye????]

Lets see, Hawkeye has a bow and arrow, Green Arrow has a bow and Arrow, seems like they both can be templates for TFA Rodimus at this point.

Non of your excuses

My excuses?????Your the one with excuses.

First you claim that you were clearly talking about appearance in your first post, I prove you never mentioned Appearance in your first post so then you change your tune by saying you said it in your second post.

First you go on about how the characters appearances are simular to the heroes but now your saying its weapoms and powers.

Sounds like excuses to me.

are holding any weight because everything you're claiming hasn't been exsplained actully has, multiple times, and multiple ways.

Yeah you've given answers but non that hold any weight.Your first answer was to say that if Rodimus was based on Green Arrow then Rodimus should have some green on him.

Which makes no sence since the other TFA characters and the heroes you linked them too dont share color scheme traits with each other either.

Now your saying that the TFA characters and the heroes you linked them to share powers and weapons in common.

Well TFA Rodimus has at least his weapon in common with both Hawkeye and Green Arrow....weather he will share the same abilities with the bow and arrow remains to be seen.

I'm actully starting to get annoyed by it.

Too bad.

We've had this conversation before, your not going to get any different answers by asking the same questions over and over again.

As I said you havent given a logical answer.

All that's going to accomplish is to annoy the hell out of me.

Again too bad.

If your so annoyed dont reply.Your answers keep failing to give a real answer anyway.

I actully DID start the conversation that way,

Nope

you just failed to see what they were being compaired to because you're stuck on the personality subject.

No its because the other heroes you listed dont share any appearance traits of color scheme traits with the TFA characters either.

It's actully preddy clear if you can find the link, the common factor in each comparison.

Its just not that clear.

Sentinal Prime = Captain America, both have shields

Which is a weapon and not a part of his over all appearance.

Ultra Magnus = Thor, both have a Hammer and lighting based powers

Which is a weapon and not part of his over all appearance.

Rodimus Prime = Halkeye, Both use a bow and arrow

Which is a weapon and not part of his over all appearance.

And BTW....useing your criteria....

Rodimus = Green Arrow, Both use a bow and arrow

Is there any part that even sugests or implys anything about personality? No there isn't, they just all have simular powers and weapons which is all part of Appearance.

Even if you want to claim that weapons and powers are part of their appearance, which I wouldnt agree with, who does that negate Green arrow as a possibility for compaison to Rodimus?

Rodimus and Green Arrow both use a bow and arrow which meens he shares as much in common as your other comparisons.

I don't see why you're even disputing this, I'm sorry to say, but it seems everyone else that read that knew what I was talking about from the first post. You're the only one who couldn't figure it out.

As I said I knew where you were going but since you werent specific I expanded on the idea.

And the linking of Rodimus to Green Arrow shares as much in common as your comparison of Sentinel Prime and Captain America

They both have weapons in common.

As I said before, it was a nice thought but without knowing what his personality is there isn't anything we can add to that side of the converstion untill we actully see him.

No more then we can add to the idea that their useing Hawkeye.

Their both equally possible.

You're finally addmitting you started it eh?

I never denied bring up personalities into the conversation.

What I deny is the fact that its what started the debate....and what started the debate was you saying I was wrong for thinking that Green Arrow might be what they were baseing TFA Rodimus on.

Which you did, even if in not so many words.

And again, how is that supose to exspand on the conversation when we don't know what his personality is yet?

Conversation....its how we humans express new ideas

How do you exspect us to talk about something neither of us has seen yet?

Your kidding me right???

There were thread about TFA close to a year before it was ever on the air.

There were threads about a second Transformers movie even before the first one was released.

And lets not mention how many threads were started about the first TF movie well over a year before it was released.

Its not uncommon for people to discuss the possibilities of future stories and characters.

And for you to suggest that its not possible to do so proves your just in this for the sake of arguing.

I've asked that question several times now and you still have yet to answer it. I'd really like to know how to talk about a subject that neither of us knows about.

See above.

1. How can I be makeing an arguement of it when I have not once ever commented on the personailty debate.

By saying I was wrong, even if in not thos words, but by saying Rodimus "CANT" be based on Green Arrow you ,"IN EFFECT" ,called my idea wrong.

Starting a debate over the idea.

2. OK I'll give you that one

Wow thats a big step for you.

but still what can we possibly add that hasn't allready been said?

How are we to know untill someone tries???

I can think of a few things to add but since your commandeering the thread with this stupid argument no one is being given the chance to add anything.

And its possible that no one has anything to add at all and the idea would have just died....but your dragging this on.

I never even entered that conversation

As I said you did enter it by saying my idea cant be.

you keep continueing to argue visual facts with speculation on what could or couldn't be his personality. It makes no sence.

The so called "visual facts" also fit the possibility that Green Arrow is the template for Rodimus.

I'm not denying facts. I'm stateing them. Here's my second post again.

Yes I was going by Apperance and weaponry not on personality.

And as I said non of the other TFA characters you linked share "Appearance" traits and Rodimus shares the same weapon with Green arrow that he does with Hawkeye.

Back on subject, Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow because that would require him to have at least some GREEN in his color scheme.

Which is where you enter the conversation with my by saying my idea could not be.

And your reasoning still doesnt make sence since non of the other characters share color scheme traits with the heros you linked them too.

The parts in bold are clearly talking about APPEARANCE not Personality. I never replied your personality subject as you claim I did.

I said you entered the converstaion by saying my idea was wrong.

Weather you indended to enter the conversation about personality or not is irrelivent.

By saying....

Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow

........You brought my idea into a debate.You invited yourself into the conversation at that point by challenging my idea and saying "it cant" be right.

I never even quoted you.

You didnt have to since I was clearly the one who brought him up.

I refrenced the Green Arrow, I clearly stated I was refering to appearance not personality and your reply was this.

Which seem like an odd thing for you to say since neither of your other comparisons, Sentinel Prime = Captain America and Ultra Magnus = Thor , really share any color scheme apps with each other.

Aside from haveing the color blue.

I then exsplained

Why is it odd? Color isn't all that important unless it's actully part of your name in which case you should be wearing that color.

Your next reply was

Because as I said non of the other characters that you linked to comic book superheroes have a color scheme match.

And so far every one you linked I have a hard time agreeing with.

Sentinel Prime = Captain America....Why because he has a shield?????

Captain America isint the only Superhero with a shield.

Ultra Magnus = Thor...Why because he has a Hammer that shoots electricity?????

Thor isint the only superhero with a Hammer and Thors hammer doesnt shoot electricity.

I believe you mentioned others in the past that I dont agree with but I cant remember right now.

About the only one I can almost see is Colossus and Ironhide.And still Colossus isint the only Hero that can turn to steel.

[b]And.....were talking about the possibility that TFA Rodimus character may be based on either Green Arrow or Hawkeye not on wether a Superhere with a color in his name should wear that color.

And there in bold is where you brought that conversation back. By this time you KNEW I was refering Appearance, you had mentioned appearance several times in reply to me yet you just said that wasn't what we were talking about even though clearly you knew it was.

I knew its what you were talking about it it wasnt what I was talking about.

And till this point you havent given a logical reason why Rodimus shoul have "Green" in his color scheme.

Even if they are baseing his character on Green Arrow I see no logical reason why that would translate into him needing "Green" in his color scheme.

Its not like their going to call him "The Green Rodimus".

They can base his character on whom ever they want with out changing his color or appearance.

And by the very criteria that you set forth,

Rodimus Prime = Halkeye, Both use a bow and arrow

Rodimus has as much in common with Green Arrow that he does with Hawkeye.

Seriously the first time you brought up personality was fine, but this, this is just plain redudant

About as redundant as your color scheme argument.

let it die so we can move forward. Getting tired of going in reverse.

If you want to let it die....dont reply.

Sure when you cut up the quote so it changes what I really said. I put that full post up abouve some where with the important parts in bold.

Cut up or not by saying it "cant be" you said I was wrong.

Even with the rest of the post....

Back on subject, Rodimus Prime can't be Green Arrow because that would require him to have at least some GREEN in his color scheme. Allthough I wouldn't be at all suprised if Hasbro made a green repaint of his mold.

It still reads as you telling me that my idea was dead wrong.

I never have replyed saying anything about Personality, I have not been argueing anything about Personality, you have shown no evidence that I have other than by butchering my words around. You're the one who won't let it die, you're the one and I proved that abouve somewhere who keeps reintorduceing it.

As I said you entered the conversation by saying my idea was wrong.

You didnt have to go into further detail about personalitie or anything else.

Just by saying my idea was wrong you started this debate.

And by continuing it your wasting all of our time.

If you really want me to not reply it's going to become verry close to I'm not going to reply AT ALL to anything. Not to the subject which I never replyed to in the first place, but to you.

Boy what a threat.....you got me shaking in my boots.

If you dont want to reply to me at all it wont be any skin off my back.

I dont hold grudges nor do I take things personally.

Which you do and have proven time and time again.

I can see it, but only because you butchered my post and took them out of their full context which gives them a COMPLETLY different meaning than I had intended.

My cutting a section out wasnt butchering it.

And the fact is you have a habit of useing words in your post that dont come out as intended.

So weather you intended to start a debate or not its how it was read.

So I'll go as far as to say if I miss read your intent I apologize but........

Maybe you should chose your words more carefully.

Its not my falt that I couldnt read your intentions........I'm not inside your mind am I?????

I can only read your words and your words read as "your dead wrong".

The weapons they carrey are as much a part of their appearance as their costumes so how can you say they don't share any appearance traits?

I wouldnt agree that their weapons are part of their appearance...but thats a different debate I dont want to start.

So for argument sakes I'll bend to your way of thinking and say that the weapond do count as an appearance trait.....Rodimus then shares as much in common with Green Arrow as Sentinel Prime shares with Captain America or Ultra Magnus shares with Thor.

Steel doesn't turn into Steel

Your thinking of the Wrong "Steel"....the one from Superman isint the first to use the name.
This is the one I was refering too altho his name has been changed to Citizen Steel these days.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Nathaniel_Heyw ... w_Earth%29

But the "Steel" from Superman did in fact turn to living steel for over a year and its been hinted that the power might come back.
Look up the paragraph titled "52".
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/John_Henry_Iro ... w_Earth%29

With the help of Kala Avasti from S.T.A.R. Labs, John learns that he was injected with a small dosage of Lex Luthor's new exo-gene therapy, causing his skin to mutate into stainless steel and back again. He returns to Steelworks to find Natasha attempting, and failing, to build a new suit. She then claims he is a hypocrite for accepting Lex's exo-gene treatment, not aware of the truth.

Three days and two nights later, Irons appears, transformed into a man of living steel, (similar to the Marvel Comics character Colossus), at a party held by Lex Luthor.

You should do research before you post.Its not like you read comic after all.

and technically neiter does Ironhide.

Ironhide is techically allready metal, he is a robot after all, but he does appear to get a harder than normal armor plateing.

A poor chois of words on my part.

Steel wears a suit of armor, it's not a power, it's technoligy.

See above.

[Sabrblade]

As for Armada, Energon, and Cybertron, SAY WHAT? I've said this before but you might not of been around then. Armada was the WORST wrighten series of all time. Characters were constantly being called by the wrong name, the plot of the series seemed to change every time a new character was introduced, Galvatron was made out to be the big hero who defeated Unicron at the end. Basically Armada switched the sides around so the Autobots were the bad guys and the Decepticons were the heroes.

Energon and Cybertron weren't nearly as bad but I have to completly ignore they have any conection what so ever with Armada or to eachother because the storys between these so called Trilligys don't link well with eachother at all.

I basically treat the 3 parts of the Trilligy as being 3 stand alone series. I still call them the Unicron Trilligy because offically that's what they're supose to be but they make alot more sence if you treat them as a stand alone series and pretend Armada never exsisted.

Yes, Armada had such a poor script, but it's plot was better than Energon. Energon was the series that had worst performance of all the TF series. It's plot was repetitive and did little in development of the story and characters. Whenever the story started to get good at going somewhere, something happened to make it start all over again. Whenever a character was going through some good development, they were either killed off, reborn in a new body with a different personality/memory, or just flat out brainwashed by Megatron.

Not to mention the dub was the worst at translating stuff. Like, whenever we were shown moments where Megatron was possesed by Unicron, the dub made it look as though it was still Megatron, but angrier.

Overall, it was Energon that faired the worst, not just out of all three UT series, but out of every TF series. Even RiD and Beast Machines were more successful than Energon, and many people dislike those two series a lot (but not me, both are awesome).

[Cyber Bishop]

I was on here last year under the name of Godzilla. But thanks anyways.

The very first one. Actually none of the ones previous to this are like this one.

And you were banned for a multitude of reasons.
Goodbye again.

[TheMuffin]

I'm bored, it's Christmas Eve, and I've wanted to use this for a while.

[Sabrblade]

I'm bored, it's Christmas Eve, and I've wanted to use this for a while.

I'd like to see someone make one of those using the Headmaster, but instead of saying "BANNED!", it would say "PWNED!"

Also, Blackout's altmode revealed:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Also, Blackout's altmode revealed:

I dont think I like it....I need to see it in color.

BTW Merry X-mas to everyone.

[Dead Metal]

Also, Blackout's altmode revealed:

I dont think I like it....I need to see it in color.

BTW Merry X-mas to everyone.

How dare you say that it's awesome admit it admit it you love it!

Oh and Merry Christmas to you all.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

[Sabrblade]

Post whatever you got for Christmas here.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

[Pot Bot]

ooooooooooooo hopefully that might enable us to see megatron rip her head off and do her in lol

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

ooooooooooooo hopefully that might enable us to see megatron rip her head off and do her in lol

We can only wish

BTW I edited my post with a colored pic as well as the B&W