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Ironhidensh wrote:I have no connection to the G1 stuff not shown in America, so for me, most of this list means nothing, aside from the Dinobots and The Headmasters.

Honestly, at this point, I'd rather have generations style updates to these characters/figures.

Wait do you like the rebirth episodes? In truth theu were terrible episodes meant SPECIFICALLY just to sell toys but not let us get to know the characters while in japan you got a series with betetr figures more masters, 3 more seasons,a mature setting, better storyline, and FANTASTIC CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! While america we got cut off and got presented with the g2 line (note G2 for japan does in fact exist plus their are even some figures from G2 that were amde from takara) and a re-broudcast of g1 episodes with supposedly better but was worst AI. Oh also Japan got 2 seperate seasons for beast wars aka beast wars 2 and beast wars neo while we got the AWFUL Beast Machines Series... also WATCH THE G1 JAPAN ONLY SEASONS THEY ARE WAY BETTER THAN THE REBIRTH

Great list. Id love to be proven wrong, but I feel like re-issues are not really on either company's radar. They keep reissuing a lot of what's already been done. Trypticon being the exception.

I would suggest Artfire. Dude is ultra rare and easily done with the pieces they've already reissued. I have this feeling there are some that they are just not Willing to do. It seemed quite likely they could do a Grand Max e-hobby edition or something... But...???

Minerva is on my list I'd like too. Other rarities like Grandus and Galaxy Shuttle would be great.

Fun to think about, but I never get my hopes up where reissues are concerned. I am fortunate enough to have been a long, long, long time collector and was able to jump on some of the Asian exclusive stuff before it became impossibly expensive to try to get them all.

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Deathsanras wrote:No Sunstreaker, Wheeljack, Mirage?

those should be at the top of the list since there the only first season autobot cars that never got a reissue also jetfire needs a reissue

I recall that Wheeljack and Mirage were among the list of molds that were worn out or lost, and are thus gone forever.

I think I heard somewhere that Sunstreaker and most of the Dinobots were on that same list, but I'm not as certain.

EDIT: Turns out the wiki confirms it (to the extent that a wiki can confirm anything).
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mold#Issues_with_Reissues
It also brings up the legal issues with Jetfire (which shouldn't be a surprise, I guess).

I guess there's always Overlord.

if bootleggers can copy any toy then hasbro and TT should have no problem remaking the mold from existing toys, i just hope they would be nice to us and do so wouldn't that be great

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Ironhidensh wrote:I have no connection to the G1 stuff not shown in America, so for me, most of this list means nothing, aside from the Dinobots and The Headmasters.

Honestly, at this point, I'd rather have generations style updates to these characters/figures.

Wait do you like the rebirth episodes? In truth theu were terrible episodes meant SPECIFICALLY just to sell toys but not let us get to know the characters while in japan you got a series with betetr figures more masters, 3 more seasons,a mature setting, better storyline, and FANTASTIC CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! While america we got cut off and got presented with the g2 line (note G2 for japan does in fact exist plus their are even some figures from G2 that were amde from takara) and a re-broudcast of g1 episodes with supposedly better but was worst AI. Oh also Japan got 2 seperate seasons for beast wars aka beast wars 2 and beast wars neo while we got the AWFUL Beast Machines Series... also WATCH THE G1 JAPAN ONLY SEASONS THEY ARE WAY BETTER THAN THE REBIRTH

I hate, with a burning passion, subtitles. If I'm gonna have to read, I'll pick up a book instead. I've also heard the dubbed versions are junk, so I'm gonna continue to take a pass.

Very glad to see the Dinobots deservedly number one on this list. Great toys as well as great characters. Joining in on the tit for tat conversation basically every toy mentioned here is readily available on ebay but why would you want to pay those prices. A nice reissue satiates the demand without draining your wallet.

Alpha Dominus wrote:Very glad to see the Dinobots deservedly number one on this list. Great toys as well as great characters. Joining in on the tit for tat conversation basically every toy mentioned here is readily available on ebay but why would you want to pay those prices. A nice reissue satiates the demand without draining your wallet.

Unfortunately, many reissues are MORE EXPENSIVE than a complete and good condition original. Just check out the original prices of the Platinum Asia 6shot or the Platinum Insecticons.

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Alpha Dominus wrote:Very glad to see the Dinobots deservedly number one on this list. Great toys as well as great characters. Joining in on the tit for tat conversation basically every toy mentioned here is readily available on ebay but why would you want to pay those prices. A nice reissue satiates the demand without draining your wallet.

Unfortunately, many reissues are MORE EXPENSIVE than a complete and good condition original. Just check out the original prices of the Platinum Asia 6shot or the Platinum Insecticons.

Loose original? Oh yeah for sure. Boxed original? I don't think so.

Alpha Dominus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Alpha Dominus wrote:Very glad to see the Dinobots deservedly number one on this list. Great toys as well as great characters. Joining in on the tit for tat conversation basically every toy mentioned here is readily available on ebay but why would you want to pay those prices. A nice reissue satiates the demand without draining your wallet.

Unfortunately, many reissues are MORE EXPENSIVE than a complete and good condition original. Just check out the original prices of the Platinum Asia 6shot or the Platinum Insecticons.

Loose original? Oh yeah for sure. Boxed original? I don't think so.

Of course it's about a loose original. Appart for very few collectors, what's the point of paying a freaking fortune for a sealed G1 original? I want to touch and play with my TFs.

I do keep some modern carded sealed TFs, but only doubles or repaints of some that I already openned. Because I love to see the evolution of the cards. Also, my sealed ones are bought on sale 99% of the time.

But is the demand being spoken of here for MISB G1 toys or G1 toys period? Because reissues are still technically different toys than the originals and wont be worth as much later, and also have different packaging. Collectors who seek MISB G1s probably still wont be satiated by reissues, no?

william-james88 wrote:But is the demand beong spoken of here for MISB G1 toys or G1 toys period? Because reissues are still technically different toys than the originals and wont be worth as much later, and also have different packaging. Collectors who seek MISB G1s probably still wont be satiated by reissues, no?

Exactly. as far that MISB toys is concerned, it's pointless comparing the two. It's a whole different story for play value of the toys temselves.

william-james88 wrote:But is the demand beong spoken of here for MISB G1 toys or G1 toys period? Because reissues are still technically different toys than the originals and wont be worth as much later, and also have different packaging. Collectors who seek MISB G1s probably still wont be satiated by reissues, no?

MISB aside - some of us are purely vintage collectors for the history of the object, not just the desire to own the toy. I collect the boxes, too - I love the grid pattern designs of the 84\85\86 figures. The more bright 87 (Masters) pattern isn't really my thing, though.

The only time a reissue really gets me excited is when its got something that I'd never have got from vintage - WingThing\Enemy or Primes Energy Axe for example

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william-james88 wrote:But is the demand beong spoken of here for MISB G1 toys or G1 toys period? Because reissues are still technically different toys than the originals and wont be worth as much later, and also have different packaging. Collectors who seek MISB G1s probably still wont be satiated by reissues, no?

MISB aside - some of us are purely vintage collectors for the history of the object, not just the desire to own the toy. I collect the boxes, too - I love the grid pattern designs of the 84\85\86 figures. The more bright 87 (Masters) pattern isn't really my thing, though.

The only time a reissue really gets me excited is when its got something that I'd never have got from vintage - WingThing\Enemy or Primes Energy Axe for example

Like Platinum Predaking's new sword right? He also carried over the new more subdued and golden deco from the previous reissue, which makes him quite different from the G1 toy.

There is something else that might bother hardcore vintage collectors: the copyright marks. And its two fold. Firstly, the recent Hasbro reissues have these big obnoxious stamps with the reissue year right in your face and covering areas that used to be clean and without marks before. Secondly, the embossed copyright inscriptions have changed on some. G1 mostly has Takara written while the recent coneheads seeker reissue has TOMY embossed instead.

Encore Scorponok at least. His image has been in the TF Tomy site for like forever....

On owning pure G1 issues and staying away from re-issues, all I can say is, if you want the former go for it. For the latter? Well G1 originals have this nasty tendency to just break apart for no apparent reason (GPS not even a factor).

In my case, Ramjet and Thrust were a godsend. Technically I can afford the Takara Collectors edition but getting one figure for the price of like 3 figs and for the seeker mold kept stopping me from pressing "pay"

Sure, the value (if you want to sell 'em as future investments) may be lower but hey(!) you have a complete set after 30 years? I'd get any opportunity to score a figure.

Tigertrack wrote:Great list. Id love to be proven wrong, but I feel like re-issues are not really on either company's radar. They keep reissuing a lot of what's already been done. Trypticon being the exception.

I would suggest Artfire. Dude is ultra rare and easily done with the pieces they've already reissued. I have this feeling there are some that they are just not Willing to do. It seemed quite likely they could do a Grand Max e-hobby edition or something... But...???

Minerva is on my list I'd like too. Other rarities like Grandus and Galaxy Shuttle would be great.

Fun to think about, but I never get my hopes up where reissues are concerned. I am fortunate enough to have been a long, long, long time collector and was able to jump on some of the Asian exclusive stuff before it became impossibly expensive to try to get them all.

Read somewhere before it fell through that Aaron Archer was considering to release Artfire re-issue. Since the Inferno mold still exist (just need to remold the ladder) plus Nightstick also was released that should be no problem (but of course if there is a demand)

Overlord was released in UK, EU (?) and Australia, maybe the mold also exists.Even the Brainmaster cars (sans the combiner parts. Wished they'd be issued to. And Starsaber too. Given how the MP version sold out like hotcakes.

I guess for my money, I'd prefer some accessory packs instead of reissues. And it doesn't have to be just Transformers but Marvel, Star Wars, and G.I. Joe. If I want some specific Lego pieces, I can go right on their site and buy it. Hasbro stuff that easily gets lost by little kids or just poor choices made by Hasbro for a figure's weapon would be nice to correct. At least it seems they're heading that direction with the Masters (but stupid, because you're not able to get the entire transformer...). I'd really like some options for my combiner wars characters, especially, the ones with weapons that don't make sense for their characters like First Aid (I switched weapons with him and Chromia).

As far as re-issues, are we talking Hasbro reissues or HasTak reissues? A lot of the best were only reissued by Takara like Sky Lynx, Omega, and most decepticons.

G1 dinobots would be awesome, then what about most of the original combiners like Technobots and Terrorcons? Or the twins or Quickswitch. Also, has Countdown had a reissue? Unfortunately, too many G1 transformers were bricks, even the best ones didn't have elbows and knees. I don't want anything to do with the cone head reissues because I'd rather have the Classics mold (not ponying up the money for Masterpiece, plus I want my son to enjoy them).

I really want Jetfire but that can't happen. Sadly, I think the orginal would make my top 5 list of favorites ever and it's unfortunate it can't be released.

My personal all time Reissue would be a full set of the 5 G1 Dinobots.

Mirage and Jetfire also get a vote.

I would love to see a reissue Overlord, keeping in mind I never heard of the character until I read Last Stand of the Wreckers.

I like the idea of headmasters being reissued as well, but perhaps as gift sets.

Thanks for giving us your thoughts Kurthy!

This list was more of a rally call for fans to write all of their wishes so it doesn't matter if Takara already released it (actually, that makes it easier to Hasbro since the molds are easier to find). And we know Hasbro looks at these boards, while Takara probably doesn't, simply due to language differences.

Now to answer your question about Countdown, it's actually quite interesting. The answer is kinda. The toy was reissued without the micromaster as part of the Microman line. It turns out that it can acomodate figures from both lines (they are made by the same company afterall). So here is Countdown's reissue:





And while I have the chance, I will write it here that this isn't the only tf toy that was reissued for another line (which is ful circle since TF toys were initially brought in from a microman line). Here is a reuse of Actionmaster Prime:





And lastly, I also want to bring up this guy below since few people understand how amazing this opportunity is. As you guys can see, I did not include Sky Garry on my list because his reissue is readily available and the most bang for your buck out there. So, for those who dont know, Sky Garry is also a rare Japan exlcusive TF like Liokaiser:



And yeah, he sells for a mint. BUT, another Takara line called Goldran reused this mold as Death Garry Gun, giving him even more accessories (like more little figures):





That Takara version is also not cheap at all. However, like with a few select other Takara toys (and Beyblade toys), a korean company Sonokong repackaged these toys and distributed them in Korea (since Takara can only distribute in Japan contractually). And that issue, which is the same Takara toy, is insanely affordable. Cheaper than any price we would hope a reissue to be.

I wont spoil the surprise but here is the link to get a good deal on that G1 toy redeco reissue: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Alpha Dominus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Alpha Dominus wrote:Very glad to see the Dinobots deservedly number one on this list. Great toys as well as great characters. Joining in on the tit for tat conversation basically every toy mentioned here is readily available on ebay but why would you want to pay those prices. A nice reissue satiates the demand without draining your wallet.

Unfortunately, many reissues are MORE EXPENSIVE than a complete and good condition original. Just check out the original prices of the Platinum Asia 6shot or the Platinum Insecticons.

Loose original? Oh yeah for sure. Boxed original? I don't think so.

Of course it's about a loose original. Appart for very few collectors, what's the point of paying a freaking fortune for a sealed G1 original? I want to touch and play with my TFs.

I do keep some modern carded sealed TFs, but only doubles or repaints of some that I already openned. Because I love to see the evolution of the cards. Also, my sealed ones are bought on sale 99% of the time.

I don't know. I guess I'm kind of an in-betweener. What I prefer personally, is a boxed figure. This reduces the likely hood that the figure is scuffed or damaged. On the rare times I do get a boxed figure I got it because the figure was in (presumably) better condition than a typical loose figure and for the box itself. Hey, I know, I'm a weirdo what can I say? The joy of reissues is I know I'm getting a figure in great condition with all of its parts at a fraction of the cost as a vintage one. Case in point-the reissues of the early 2000s. Reissue Optimus Prime for $40 complete or $65-$150+ for a loose,incomplete figure in bad condition. The platinum reissue of Blaster and Perceptor- both awesome figures individually-were packed with extra figures and accessories for only 100 smackers. Yes please!

Most, if not, all G1 toys should have a reissue at some point and some G2 toys as well. However, should just the G1 toy line have reissues? What about BW Magnaboss or Tripredacus? If any other combiner needs one, it's those two, in my absolute opinion.

Alpha Dominus wrote:
I don't know. I guess I'm kind of an in-betweener. What I prefer personally, is a boxed figure. This reduces the likely hood that the figure is scuffed or damaged. On the rare times I do get a boxed figure I got it because the figure was in (presumably) better condition than a typical loose figure and for the box itself. Hey, I know, I'm a weirdo what can I say? The joy of reissues is I know I'm getting a figure in great condition with all of its parts at a fraction of the cost as a vintage one. Case in point-the reissues of the early 2000s. Reissue Optimus Prime for $40 complete or $65-$150+ for a loose,incomplete figure in bad condition. The platinum reissue of Blaster and Perceptor- both awesome figures individually-were packed with extra figures and accessories for only 100 smackers. Yes please!

Thats cool man. We need a lot of people with different tastes and interests to make a full world and you bring an interesting perspective. Also, I would like to point out that unlike the G1 boxes, the boxes of platinum reissues are designed to be used as displays for the toys, thanks to the window. And yeah, I also found that blaster deal super sweet.

william-james88 wrote:Thanks for giving us your thoughts Kurthy!

This list was more of a rally call for fans to write all of their wishes so it doesn't matter if Takara already released it (actually, that makes it easier to Hasbro since the molds are easier to find). And we know Hasbro looks at these boards, while Takara probably doesn't, simply due to language differences.

Now to answer your question about Countdown, it's actually quite interesting. The answer is kinda. The toy was reissued without the micromaster as part of the Microman line. It turns out that it can acomodate figures from both lines (they are made by the same company afterall). So here is Countdown's reissue:





And while I have the chance, I will write it here that this isn't the only tf toy that was reissued for another line (which is ful circle since TF toys were initially brought in from a microman line). Here is a reuse of Actionmaster Prime:





And lastly, I also want to bring up this guy below since few people understand how amazing this opportunity is. As you guys can see, I did not include Sky Garry on my list because his reissue is readily available and the most bang for your buck out there. So, for those who dont know, Sky Garry is also a rare Japan exlcusive TF like Liokaiser:



And yeah, he sells for a mint. BUT, another Takara line called Goldran reused this mold as Death Garry Gun, giving him even more accessories (like more little figures):





That Takara version is also not cheap at all. However, like with a few select other Takara toys (and Beyblade toys), a korean company Sonokong repackaged these toys and distributed them in Korea (since Takara can only distribute in Japan contractually). And that issue, which is the same Takara toy, is insanely affordable. Cheaper than any price we would hope a reissue to be.

I wont spoil the surprise but here is the link to get a good deal on that G1 toy redeco reissue: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

Ummmm.......that's Action Master Optimus Prime mein freund, not Powermaster.


Addendum:

I checked the link and its a Korean version. No wonder it's cheap. Would you believe I first owned the JP version of DeathGarryGun? Picked one up in HK back in 1997. Together with the retool of Grandus. Sold them later and acquired the original Skygarry 10 years later give or take. Grandus is still a pipe dream though

Sorry to be late to the party here but here are some thoughts:

1) Most of these guys (sans Liokaiser) Need a new updated toy, not a reissue. They would be done so much more justice, especially with the titans return line now coming.

2) I think some Beast Wars, RiD 2000 and UT toys need brought back into service. There were some dang good molds that are still highly desired today, and those ones had more articulation and looked good overall. Not all reissues have to be 80's toys.

3) I was a fan of "The Rebirth" series (which is why I love headmasters and targetmasters) and never got into the Japanese stuff (hate subtitles with a passion), but I still know a good toy when I see one, which is why I don't have an issue with Japanese based stuff. Still cool, just not something I am as familiar with.

4) Pretenders. Given what Oilmaster looked like at Botcon, I would say Pretenders would be as good today as much as the originals, so a reissue would not be too bad, though new stuff would be welcomed as well.

those are my thoughts, sorry for the delay

So what I gather is that you do not really care much for G1 reissues aside from pretenders, right?

This list was only about G1 toys, hence why that is all you see. I may make another one later for good molds that people would want (BW Silverbolt and RID Rail Racer come to mind) but most are easily found on the secondary market. Also we shouldnt confuse this list with either this one or this one, hence why I made it very specific (and as you can tell from those other lists, overlap is inevitable).

No need to be sorry, these lists are made to be visited later by anyone who may have an interest.

What I gather is that you do not really care much for G1 reissues aside from pretenders, right?

This list was only about G1 toys, hence why that is all you see. I may make another one later for good molds that people would want (BW Silverbolt and RID Rail Racer come to mind) but most are easily found on the secondary market. Also we shouldnt confuse this list with either this one or this one, hence why I made it very specific (and as you can tell from those other lists, overlap is inevitable).

william-james88 wrote:No need to be sorry, these lists are made to be visited later by anyone who may have an interest.

What I gather is that you do not really care much for G1 reissues aside from pretenders, right?

This list was only about G1 toys, hence why that is all you see. I may make another one later for good molds that people would want (BW Silverbolt and RID Rail Racer come to mind) but most are easily found on the secondary market. Also we shouldnt confuse this list with either this one or this one, hence why I made it very specific (and as you can tell from those other lists, overlap is inevitable).

While I find it cool to receive the original toys that started it all, it is another to keep reissuing them if they could be better and/or have been done better. If anything, I'd prefer to have updates instead of reissues, except if the mold was very good to begin with, such as some of the Ut molds and that RiD Megs mold. I just wish they would reissue some of the rarer-used G1 molds and some other older (not G1) toys is how I feel.