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Granted, we didn't know (and I'm not sure if Hasbro did too) about the 'Leader Evolution' gimmick so I imagine people voted hoping for a new mold of a Leader-class season 1 Optimus Primal. While that's certainly cool, I'm still glad they ended up with the insanity that was Optimal Optimus, being one of the odder designs from the Beast Era which ended up part of the show and introduced at a crucial plot junction, no less.

That said what I find strange of the 'Leader Evolution' is that the ape mode is on the Optimal Optimus part of him. It's on his season 3 form, a form which used it's Beast Mode only twice in the entire show. Wouldn't it have made more sense to make the smaller Primal the gorilla and have that smaller gorilla ride inside the 'jet' mode of the Optimal form?

Wolfman Jake wrote:Optimal Optimus looks great, honestly. I don't get why so many people are upset that the cockpit/matrix chamber is blue transparent plastic instead of orange. The orange is toy accurate, but the blue is screen accurate, so it isn't completely out of left field or out of place. Plus, the orange cockpit would look a little odd on the Optimus Primal figure. Blue matches his overall motif of black, white, red, and blue.

i think more people are upset about the chest area being grey, not the chamber cover being blue.

the reason?





compare that to



it throws off the entire look of the combined form for the sake of the smaller prime form which in and of itseld doesn't look great.

Star Saber should've won, dammit.

EDIT: it's at this point i realize that the enitre conversation died. this is what i get for not completely reading through.

figure still looks kinda atrocious tbh.

It might have been easier to do if the deluxe was transmetal Optimus, the colors would have blended better. Fingers crossed that the next series of figures doesn't have that many toys which are worse than the originals.

Aside from optimal what other figures have been worse?

Autobot N wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot N wrote:I just noticed something with this figure. If Primal's connection to Optimal works the way I think it does, wouldn't it be possible to remove Primal's backpack and connect it to Optimal, therefore having a backpack-less Primal (albeit without the ability to transform) and a complete Optimal at the same time?

...Poooooooooooosibly?

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It looks like that hinge (red circle on the image) is the only connecting point between Primal and his backpack. In theory, all you would have to do is knock out the pin (assuming that's what they've used), and you would be able to have them separate.

The only potential issue is where it connects for gorilla mode's backpack (if anyone cares about that).

ZeroWolf wrote:Aside from optimal what other figures have been worse?

If you listen to geewunners everything from 1986-onward is worse than things from 1984 and 85.

Skritz wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Aside from optimal what other figures have been worse?

If you listen to geewunners everything from 1986-onward is worse than things from 1984 and 85.

I'm a purist, everything pales to the diaclone and microchange originals

Oh, also: technically speaking this Optimal Optimus isn't 100% 'worse than the original' as it has the fold-away chest guns, something the original didn't have. It also has better proportions. So it's not like it is completely and utterly inferior.

Skritz wrote:Oh, also: technically speaking this Optimal Optimus isn't 100% 'worse than the original' as it has the fold-away chest guns, something the original didn't have. It also has better proportions. So it's not like it is completely and utterly inferior.

The guns don't fold away, you have to plug them into various ports

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Oh, also: technically speaking this Optimal Optimus isn't 100% 'worse than the original' as it has the fold-away chest guns, something the original didn't have. It also has better proportions. So it's not like it is completely and utterly inferior.

The guns don't fold away, you have to plug them into various ports

Yeah, the guns attach to the chest after you slide the cockpit down a bit. When not attached to the chest, they rest on the sides of gorilla's legs like where the wheels on the original figure used to be.

So, anyone know what rippersnapper's vestigial shoulder joints are for? his shoulders are on a set of joints that are just inset on the torso, there are even drilled pin holes and everything, was he supposed to have an extra set of movement?

Oh, well, maybe they don't fold away but they still look better than the original who had this gigantic protruding bloc off his back.

Skritz wrote:Oh, well, maybe they don't fold away but they still look better than the original who had this gigantic protruding bloc off his back.

You do realize that all the modes of this new figure have the entire primal deluxe guy hanging off the back

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Oh, well, maybe they don't fold away but they still look better than the original who had this gigantic protruding bloc off his back.

You do realize that all the modes of this new figure have the entire primal deluxe guy hanging off the back

Yes, but at least it's flush against the back! A small improvement but an improvement nonetheless!

To each his own, as I find that the way the guns work on the PotP one make his proportions better.

The Scooby fan in me really kinda wants this to happen



Slap a less dorky bot mode head on rippersnapper and just give him scythes for hands and we would have sweet new serial killer to hang out with the crazed axe murdered offroad

Skritz wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Oh, well, maybe they don't fold away but they still look better than the original who had this gigantic protruding bloc off his back.

You do realize that all the modes of this new figure have the entire primal deluxe guy hanging off the back

Yes, but at least it's flush against the back! A small improvement but an improvement nonetheless!

Technically it would be Beast1ers complaining that the orig figure is better? I also prefer the original figures protruding back considering it had firing mechanisms and a battery compartment to feature in the design, plus it stored the handgun too. Would have been better if it had folded down and they used watch batteries etc but hey ho, still better than the new figure,

So what, am I being a bad 'Beastwunner' (I don't know how you call a Beast Wars purist!) because I'm okay with the new figure and think it has some positives just as much as it has negatives? I'm well aware that, whatever the character, the show or even continuity that no figure ever come close to meeting fan demands/expectations short of being a Masterpiece line figure.

Skritz wrote:So what, am I being a bad 'Beastwunner' (I don't know how you call a Beast Wars purist!) because I'm okay with the new figure and think it has some positives just as much as it has negatives? I'm well aware that, whatever the character, the show or even continuity that no figure ever come close to meeting fan demands/expectations short of being a Masterpiece line figure.

Well said, but we all have our tastes at the end of the day if you like it than buy it, if not then you'll have money for other plastic crack.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Skritz wrote:So what, am I being a bad 'Beastwunner' (I don't know how you call a Beast Wars purist!) because I'm okay with the new figure and think it has some positives just as much as it has negatives? I'm well aware that, whatever the character, the show or even continuity that no figure ever come close to meeting fan demands/expectations short of being a Masterpiece line figure.

Well said, but we all have our tastes at the end of the day if you like it than buy it, if not then you'll have money for other plastic crack.

I just want an Optimal Optimus to fiddle with for fun, something I can't do with my original one without the risk of it breaking apart or it's chrome flaking of. Its a childhood treasure and I dare not put too much stress on it.

william-james88 wrote:

This makes me happy. He looks good and I will have a 4th Autobot for a combiner, so Repugnus can stand separately with the other monsterbots!

william-james88 wrote:



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This is looking so incredible, and he honestly may be the best of the leaders from this line, easily, maybe even the best of the line up there with Battletrap, period.

don't why people keep poo-pooing on him, he's incredible, accurate to the source material, and utterly unique. Plus, it's also cool that he has so many modes: Primal robot, Primal space log, Primal surfboard. Ape, armored Ape, surfing Ape, Jet, Optimal mode.

Plus, I don't see why the transport mode is so important, he is not at all hindered by not having it, and he looks great without it.

Also super stoked he gets his chest guns.

Also also, picked these 2 up yesterday while I was shopping for the new apartment:



Nemesis Hot Rod's shoulders scare me, they are way too tight to move and peg, I fear breaking them. But SG Roddy Prime's head is awesome and I love it, great mold for both uses.

As for OP: The alt mode is rubbist, more so than I thought it would be. But the Prime mode is amazing! That may be the best Optimus Prime headsculpt I have ever seen, and the robot mode has such character I love it. So he will stay in Prime robot mode, cause that mode rocks!

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Primal space log, Primal surfboard.

Those are the same mode.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Ape, ...surfing Ape

As are these. One's just standing on something while the other isn't.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Primal space log, Primal surfboard.

Those are the same mode.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Ape, ...surfing Ape

As are these. One's just standing on something while the other isn't.

I still count it, but if we need to get picky, we can call them half modes, so Primal has 2.5 modes, and Optimal has 3+0.5+0.5 = 4, so 6.5 modes overall.

Still counts.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Primal space log, Primal surfboard.

Those are the same mode.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Ape, ...surfing Ape

As are these. One's just standing on something while the other isn't.

I still count it, but if we need to get picky, we can call them half modes, so Primal has 2.5 modes, and Optimal has 3+0.5+0.5 = 4, so 6.5 modes overall.

Still counts.

What's different about the two in the first pair?