The Energon Pub

I never found Ultimate OP all that complex. The cab part is pretty simplified compared to any of the other movie OPs, and the trailer is just a big armor to stick the cab in.

WFC OP is way more frustrating, though I don't know if I'd say it's the most so.

ROTF Longhaul, Dang those legs are annoying to get to vehicle mode.

william-james88 wrote:MP 05 Megatron for lifting up his telescoping chest in robot mode and detaching his arms when transforming to gun mode. I am always afraid I will break him.

The Alternity Seekers for those car doors that always pop off. I do think both modes look great though, I just wish it didnt have to be this frustrating getting from one mode to the next.

I agree absolutely, then the disappointing MP Rodimus; DOTM Sentinel Prime, Alternators Wheeljack (too many instable panels in car mode!).

Almost forgot the bane of my collection: RotF Rampage!

Those spring loaded legs won't cooperate in alt mode, robot mode, heck, the whole dang toy is the most frustrating waste of plastic in existence! No way that can be left off of any list. No friggin way.

I'm also going to RoTF Leader Jetfire as well as DoTM Leader Sentinel. And yeah, MP Rodimus is kind of a pain in the ass as well. But I still love the way he looks in all 3 modes.

MrBlack wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:BWII Galvatron
Legend's Swerve
KIss Convoy/Binaltech Optimus Prime

Why Swerve?

My bad. I meant Tailgate. gomenasai.......

movie Skids and Mudflap

fenrir72 wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:BWII Galvatron
Legend's Swerve
KIss Convoy/Binaltech Optimus Prime

Why Swerve?

My bad. I meant Tailgate. gomenasai.......

I see what you mean there, fiddly bits all over the place that only come together right at the end.

william-james88 wrote:Just curious guys, if I asked for most complex instead of most frustrating/annoying would the replies be any different?

I mean, sure, there would be no Leader Jetfire but we would still end up with WFC Bumblebee, ROTF Mixmaster, MP Megatron, DOTM Sentinel Prime, ROTF Optimus Prime.

Is there anyone out there more complex than those? I feel the one with the most steps ever is Ultimate Optimus Prime who has 51 Steps. No one else beats that right?

I think complex does not neccessarily mean annoying, and annoying doesn't neccessarily mean complex, as fenrir above mentioned about Tailgate.

I don't have that 51 step Prime you mentioned, but if those 51 steps are logical and intuitive, I have no problem, and would probably find it enjoyable. It's when those steps are either unclear, or (seem to) require partially undoing previous steps or rely on perfect placement of unsecurable parts, that I feel is annoying.

So you could probably make three lists here, "Simple but horrendously annoying," "Complex but relatively intuitive," "Complex and mind-destroyingly annoying"

fenrir72 wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:BWII Galvatron
Legend's Swerve
KIss Convoy/Binaltech Optimus Prime

Why Swerve?

My bad. I meant Tailgate. gomenasai.......

Tailgate has grown on me over time. Not the easiest car to peg together, but not as bad as some.

Plus, you can do this with the mold!

william-james88 wrote:ROTF Leader Jetfire for his panels when transforming to jet mode

Love the character, but man that toy is just a nightmare. First time transforming him must've taken me at least 40 minutes. Nothing would line up or stay together, so much of the online reviews/"help" was just people going on about how terrible the ordeal was, ended up clipping off some tabs just to make things a tiny bit easier... and then he's not even that good in either mode! (dunno about combined mode, don't have Optimus)
And then I go and put Jetfire with Ransack and Highbrow, who are pleasant to transform, so if I want to change the trio I got to deal with that.

Noideaforaname wrote:

william-james88 wrote:ROTF Leader Jetfire for his panels when transforming to jet mode

Love the character, but man that toy is just a nightmare. First time transforming him must've taken me at least 40 minutes. Nothing would line up or stay together, so much of the online reviews/"help" was just people going on about how terrible the ordeal was, ended up clipping off some tabs just to make things a tiny bit easier... and then he's not even that good in either mode! (dunno about combined mode, don't have Optimus)
And then I go and put Jetfire with Ransack and Highbrow, who are pleasant to transform, so if I want to change the trio I got to deal with that.

If I make most a most annoying to transform list, he would be nuber 1, there is NO DOUBT!

Also, if I do make a list, it would be an all or nothing type deal, so MOST annoying instead of "annoying but simple transformation". There arent enough complex transformers out there that arent annoying (according to the feedback on this thread) to warrant a list of simply complex transformers. And if there was, it would probably be along the lines of a best masterpiece list, so I will elave it at "hardest" and "most annoying" and there might be some overlap (though hopefully just one figure).

Bradimus wrote:Almost forgot the bane of my collection: RotF Rampage!

Those spring loaded legs won't cooperate in alt mode, robot mode, heck, the whole dang toy is the most frustrating waste of plastic in existence! No way that can be left off of any list. No friggin way.

Oh yes, that chest piece thing underneath doesn't really peg in anywhere, just kinda floats and wedges in there in vehicle mode.

Seconding the Classics Wreck-Gar mold. I dislike transforming cause of the legs/seat section you have to get JUST right, and the front wheel as well.

TM2 Megatron isn't too bad after awhile, but the wing backpack section kinda scrapes and that always annoyed me.

Classics Blitzwing cause of the pegs that don't lock in that well in either vehicle mode.

The Animated Voyager Seeker mold, another case where the legs have to be juuuust right for them to lock in.

william-james88 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

william-james88 wrote:ROTF Leader Jetfire for his panels when transforming to jet mode

Love the character, but man that toy is just a nightmare. First time transforming him must've taken me at least 40 minutes. Nothing would line up or stay together, so much of the online reviews/"help" was just people going on about how terrible the ordeal was, ended up clipping off some tabs just to make things a tiny bit easier... and then he's not even that good in either mode! (dunno about combined mode, don't have Optimus)
And then I go and put Jetfire with Ransack and Highbrow, who are pleasant to transform, so if I want to change the trio I got to deal with that.

If I make most a most annoying to transform list, he would be nuber 1, there is NO DOUBT!

Also, if I do make a list, it would be an all or nothing type deal, so MOST annoying instead of "annoying but simple transformation". There arent enough complex transformers out there that arent annoying (according to the feedback on this thread) to warrant a list of simply complex transformers. And if there was, it would probably be along the lines of a best masterpiece list, so I will elave it at "hardest" and "most annoying" and there might be some overlap (though hopefully just one figure).

Most annoying? Yes, please! ROTF jetfire deserves a massive drubbing! Like Noideaforaname, I loved Jetfire in ROTF. I looked forward to getting him in plastic form, but nope! A four-way loss...

1. Bad robot mode.
2. Horrid transformation.
3. SUCKTACULAR jet mode.
4. And his armor mode's not even all that great!

Deathstar Vader, no one in the house will touch him since I finally got him back in planet mode.

I do all my TF's without instructions, but there's only two I haven't been able to accomplish on my own: Alternators Skids and MP09 (Winnebago mode).

As far as annoying goes RTS Perceptor is up there, I always have a rough time getting him all pieced together in vehicle mode. Then there is TFCC Rewind and Eject, those piledrivers keep popping out when trying to get them in tank mode all lined up. But I love these figures none the less.

shajaki wrote:I do all my TF's without instructions, but there's only two I haven't been able to accomplish on my own: Alternators Skids and MP09 (Winnebago mode).

If you get MP Rodimus into car mode, it's 2 or 3 rather simple steps to get him into the trailer.

Logan79 wrote:I agree absolutely, then the disappointing MP Rodimus; DOTM Sentinel Prime, Alternators Wheeljack (too many instable panels in car mode!).

You where dissapointed by Sentinel Prime? He might be a pain in the hindquarters to transform, but he is an amazing TF. What turned you off?

Moonshot wrote: Then there is TFCC Rewind and Eject, those piledrivers keep popping out when trying to get them in tank mode all lined up. But I love these figures none the less.

Haven't got those two, but it's the same for United Rumble & Frenzy - either those springs are too strong, or the tab holding them in is just a little too short.

LegendaryAntiHero wrote:movie Skids and Mudflap

Yup. Annoying on screen, and the theme continues in the toys.

MGrotusque wrote:

prjkt wrote:WFC Bumblebee/Cliffjumper

I hated that BB transformation. I smashed the thing out of frustration. I got it to a point the last time i transformed it and lost track of what step i was doing and couldn't get is sorted again.
I SMASHED it good

Good lord, I will never understand why so many people have such a hard time with that mold. For me, he's very intuitive and fun to transform. Kinda baffling, really.

One very annoying is the Alternity Seeker mold. Loose everything, the doors that keep popping off, the failed auto-morph, and the fact that the chest just wont peg in the crotch part. I have Starscream but why the hell did I impulse buy Bludgeon?

At first, I had a hard time and I hated ROTF Leader Optimus. Not anymore. Still, transforming him take waaaaaayyyyyyy too long so he's foreverabot.

Ultimate Optimus Prime? Just the step of figuring out how to fold in the armor arms in the trailer. Same thing with Alternators Grimlock/Wheeljack.

MP Rodimus. Not hard to do, but so not fun that I sold him without regret.

My #1 pick: I really hate transforming that type of TF. The G1 Scramble City Combiners. Vehicles are good, but the bot mode are so underwhelming, it's pretty sad. The only mode that is really worth it is the Ghestalt mode and it require so many little parts that are useless for the other modes. Plus don't lose any bits!

ROTF Leader Optimus was frustrating at first for me, although not for the commonly-cited clearance issues. Rather, it was the counterintuitive step of disconnecting his chest halves from where they very tightly peg into the torso. Now, though, I transform him for fun.

I'm surprised I haven't seen Cybertron Thundercracker here, considering how much I've seen him (unfairly) blasted for this. Have people finally learned that his left shoulder's strut is supposed to be pushed in between his chest and his back, rather than (as the stupid instructions say) rely on the hinge to stay upright?

Of what I have, it's actually a fairly simple figure who can be annoying: G1 Megatron. He's a lot more accurate than he gets credit for, but those die-cast thighs.. The upper lock on his left calf periodically wears loose, and lets his leg collapse when I try to stand him in robot mode. That is very irritating, let me tell you. It wouldn't be a problem if his thighs were plastic, but since they're 5mm thick slabs of die-cast they make him top-heavy.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Of what I have, it's actually a fairly simple figure who can be annoying: G1 Megatron. He's a lot more accurate than he gets credit for, but those die-cast thighs.. The upper lock on his left calf periodically wears loose, and lets his leg collapse when I try to stand him in robot mode. That is very irritating, let me tell you. It wouldn't be a problem if his thighs were plastic, but since they're 5mm thick slabs of die-cast they make him top-heavy.

Maybe your G1 Megs is just old and used a lot. This could happen with 30yo toys.

I recently got my G1 Megs re-issue. It was like brand new and I had it at a relatively good price. I really LOVE trnasforming him! It's fun, intuitive, and he's TIGHT all over. The only annoying part is the "arm rest" accessory of the gun. It's just a couple of bits that peg inside one another and the whole assembly can pop off pretty easely when I want to go PEW PEW PEW! Other than that, I reccommend G1 Megs to everyone. Sure, he look like a derpy goblin. But he's a cute and fun goblin!

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:ROTF Leader Optimus was frustrating at first for me, although not for the commonly-cited clearance issues. Rather, it was the counterintuitive step of disconnecting his chest halves from where they very tightly peg into the torso. Now, though, I transform him for fun.

I'm surprised I haven't seen Cybertron Thundercracker here, considering how much I've seen him (unfairly) blasted for this. Have people finally learned that his left shoulder's strut is supposed to be pushed in between his chest and his back, rather than (as the stupid instructions say) rely on the hinge to stay upright?

Of what I have, it's actually a fairly simple figure who can be annoying: G1 Megatron. He's a lot more accurate than he gets credit for, but those die-cast thighs.. The upper lock on his left calf periodically wears loose, and lets his leg collapse when I try to stand him in robot mode. That is very irritating, let me tell you. It wouldn't be a problem if his thighs were plastic, but since they're 5mm thick slabs of die-cast they make him top-heavy.

Given the stress point in the gun handles/thigh, making it plastic would make it prone to breakage. I have a simple fix. Unscrew the red panel and add a dab of nail polish on the pegs that locks on to the die-cast thighs. Not a permanent fix unless you keep on transforming him. Same issue with G1 Astrotrain, the legs get loose over time.

Oh, he's definitely old and I've tightened the lock before - he just wears the tightening out faster.

fenrir72, making the thighs themselves plastic would not make them prone to breakage. That's a load of hogwash.