Rated X wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rated X wrote:Is there any proof that "Platinum" means the Planet of Junk" boxset will indeed be a re-issue of a vintage figure from the 80s? (I hate when people use the term "G1" to describe vintage figures when the classics line is clearly just as G1 as any vintage figure) Werent the YOTS Omega Supreme, FOC Bruticus vs. Grimlock, and the giant Cybertron Starscream re-issue also "Platinum" releases? I was under the assumption "Platinum" simply meant re-issued figure which will be exclusive to TRU and a few other chains. My guess is its going to be a 3 pack of wreck-gar, junkheap, and scrapheap with more cartoon inspired decos. Im not saying it wont be a re-issue of the vintage wreck-gar figure, but that figure kinda sucked. I cant see that figure doing too well in retail. I think hasbro learned their lesson with the insecticons reissue and now Trypticon.
No proof just speculation. However, this past year only one platinum set (that wasn't Year of Something) was not a reissue of an 80s toy. Also the jury is still out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesn't that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought you were against that notion.
Anyways...
Platinum Insections: g1 reissue
Platinum Intel Ops: g1 reissue
Platinum Trypticon: g1 reissue
Platinum Seeker Squadron: g1 reissue
Platinum Dinobots: AOE Dinobots reissue
Platinum Triplechangers: g1 reissue
So of those 6 platinums, only 1 was not a G1 toy. And Hasbro did say that this will not stop (in other words, there will be more). So I guess at best its 50/50 that it will be a G1 reissue.
I totally agree what Wolfman Jake said earlier. To me, "G1" consists of characters (aesthetically speaking) not continuities or molds. When I think of things that are not "G1" I tend to think more of Unicron Trilogy, Movieverse, G2, or new characters such as Drift, Bulkhead, and Strongarm. It irks me when the term "G1" is used to identify bricks from the rest of official Transformers brand toys. Any character that is from the 80s (toy or no toy) is G1. Alpha Trion never had a toy in the 80s. Does that mean Alpha Trion is not G1? The same could be said for Arcee. As for IDW, for the most part, I consider their comics "G1". All they are doing is giving a slightly modified aesthetic to the 80s characters we all know. Granted they have made some changes that I would consider non-G1 such as stealth bomber Megatron. But for the most part, the bulk of their material is 80s inspired just like the "classics" lines. The same thing goes for the Transformers Devastation video game. I would consider that G1 too. On your Alpha Bravo question, my answer is no. Alpha Bravo is not 80s inspired so he is not "G1". All he ever will be is a Vortex mold repaint in my book. Hasbros strategy to release the mold as Alpha Bravo a year before Vortex worked well. If Alpha Bravo had been released after Vortex in traditional repaint fashion, nobody would have embraced him. You got people on this site who actually consider Vortex the repaint due to the timeline of releases. I dont. Colors aside, we all know who the mold was intended to be regardless of what color plastic they injected into it first.
You are likely talking to people thinking in a different context - It is perfectly likely someone can say in perfect seriousness that :
"Arcee never had a G1 toy"
I suppose you could call it Transformers:The Original series - but then you risk compartmentalising yourself to tightly into a Cartoon outlook and I think the cartoon had a occasional propensity to be bloody silly so certain features that Takara might want to celebrate - I'd want to lock into a dark cupboard to remain forever forgotten.
Such as Purple Reflector, Upside-down Wing logos.
Where as other things I'm happy to see referenced like Optimus' Energy Axe or Megatron's Energy mace.
In a broader sense I'd rather certain "Cassettes" were seen as Non-Humanoid robots and not someone's "Deployer" pets.
As to IDW being G1 - nope absolutely not - it has not earned that label - it's part of the G1 continuity family however - but then so is Kiss Players, Battle Beasts & Alternity.
The question as to if Alpha Bravo, Off Road or Rook are G1 is a bit like asking is Bulkhead G1 - the answer is that yes it's quite reasonable to say that a version of those characters - along with other retconed E-Hobby types exist in that Universe they are just not usually actively shown to us.
As something like say Road Rage or Crosscut represents something that exists in that same Universe & style. However I'm not going to argue to strongly against someone who doesn't want to see it that way as Hasbro has been pushing it's Toybios in a very IDW direction with Combiner Wars so that does add an area of disconnect.
So I have to just chalk it all up as another example of a "Beast Hunters" like continuity fragmentation effect.
Personally though I'd treat Alpha Bravo as part of the "Neo Classics" Universe which I tend to see as a G1 related Universe where the 2006 Universe never happened and some events either never happened or happened later.
There will always be an aspect of personal taste involved in these choices - like for those who put Lockdown, Banzaitron and Lugnutz with their classic toys or those who insist they are Movie toys.
The whole retro-fitting idea will continue to gain traction though so long as Takara make manga with the characters in them or release things like Road Rage & Exhaust in the Masterpiece line.
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I will say that I like keeping all possibilities open until concrete physical evidence points towards either side, be it G1 reissue or Generations-style redeco 
