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>someone says Meghan Fox is the best part of the first 2 movies.

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Shadowman wrote:Peter Jackson hasn't made a good movie since Lord of the Rings. Lovely Bones is, as I've heard, godawful, and King Kong was the movie that taught me, no, I don't want to watch a movie for three hours.

I liked the Lovely bones

I think the reasons why the DOTM movie & Dotm toy line sold so poorly in theathres & stores. is because megan fox got fired. had megan fox been in the TF3 movie. their is no doubt in my mind the dotm movie in theathres would have sold better & the DOTM Toys would be flying off the shelves.

I just don't see how their gonna sell any of those DOTM DVD's movies. because megan fox isn't in the movie.

Hopefully those buying the DOTM Movie toys don't find out megan fox isn't in the movie. or They'll be plenty of returns.

I think had shia le barf been fired & megan fox been given the star lead role in the DOTM movie. the dotm theathre, dotm toys, dotm dvd & so forth sales would have been higher.

I read a rumor on one of the other TF message boards that stated the following: the sponsors & people who hand over the big bucks,refused to give anymore money for TF4 when they found out megan fox got fired.
the only reason why they gave money to make TF3 happen if because they didn't know at the time megan fox was fired.

deathy wrote:I think the reasons why the DOTM movie & toy line sold so poorly in theathres & stores. is because megan fox got fired. had megan fox been in the TF3 movie. their is no doubt in my mind the dotm movie in theathres would have sold better & the DOTM Toys would be flying off the shelves.

I just don't see how their gonna sell any of those DOTM DVD's movies. because megan fox isn't in the movie.

Hopefully those buying the DOTM Movie toys don't find out megan fox isn't in the movie. or They'll be plenty of returns.

Um...DOTM made $1.1 Billion in theaters, and is currently the fifth highest grossing movie of all time, and the highest grossing of all three movies. Maybe next time, you should check your facts.

plates wrote:

Shadowman wrote:(From what I hear red is a really hard color to properly use in CGI, hence the need for flames)

If the color red being difficult to employ in CGI is the reason Optimus had flames then I'll change my name to Mecca World Peace. It can definitely be attributed to Bay and the yes men thinking it looked "cooler."

well mecca, Bay said in the special features that he chose a blue truck because red is not good to film on camera. the red flames where painted as a way so when prime would transform, his chest would be red.

sorry all i can say to michael bays logic on that matter is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y7on8WKjY

Swindle01 wrote:sorry all i can say to michael bays logic on that matter is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y7on8WKjY

How many movies have you made? He's made several. I think he knows better than you.

Call me crazy, but I really like the look of the characters in that "Fall of Cybertron" game that is featured in the news on the Seibertron main page right now.

A nice blend of old and new styles. Whether it would hold up juxtaposed against the human characters in 2 hour movies without being deemed too cartoony is another matter, but I think they are an admirable enough foundation.

plates wrote:Call me crazy, but I really like the look of the characters in that "Fall of Cybertron" game that is featured in the news on the Seibertron main page right now.

A nice blend of old and new styles. Whether it would hold up juxtaposed against the human characters in 2 hour movies without being deemed too cartoony is another matter, but I think they are an admirable enough foundation.

Yeah, the WfC designs are nice. Though I don't like some of them (Bumblebee's arms are just weird, Starscream (And by extension Skywarp and Thundercracker) is oddly shaped, etc.), characters often lack expression, and some of the transformations are just weird. (Megatron looks like he could sit comfortably inside of his own tank mode) But other than that they are nice designs.

yes michael bay has made several movies...BAD movies...but still several

none of them what you would class a CLASSICS or anything. Probably the main reason why he was given the TF movie in the first place. It was more than likely just a fluke that the film did so well and they basically made more bad movies of it to make more money

you cant HONESTLY in your heart tell me michael bay makes good movies. Hes like a cancer thats set in and cannot be removed from hollywood and he just keeps on making solid turds. Even when he gets his hands on something good the -Friday 13th- series he soon ruins it. Christ it got so bad i was wondering when's michael gona add exploding transexual aliens from the planet Horror-world who eat brains and that are space pirates.

really all michael bay makes is turd style films which no one really remembers or cares about. The original TF film is a classic and always will be because its got fantastic music followed by a fantastic plot with fantastic characters and scenes people will remember.
All the new movies have is a piss poor director, awful plots, robots which look the same and that are annoying, human actors who cannot act and then we get given those emo bastards likin park to do the horrible sound tracks. Sorry guys but you got MILLIONS! you got nothing to be so emo about, how about a happy song for once instead of just acting like douche bags and singing sulky sulky cut my wrists look at me im an attention whore crap.

Swindle01 wrote:yes michael bay has made several movies...BAD movies...but still several

And he knows a helluva lot more about it than you ever will.

Swindle01 wrote:none of them what you would class a CLASSICS or anything.

No, I wouldn't class them "a classics" but being a classics doesn't mean "Good." I mean, have you seen 2001: A Space Odyssey? It's a definitive and long-lasting science fiction movie with more memorable quotes and scenes than any other movie; it's also the single most boring piece of crap ever put onto film, with a 30 minute long plot stretched out to two hours.

Swindle01 wrote:Probably the main reason why he was given the TF movie in the first place.

Most likely. Hasbro never really cared about the stories anyway, that's why season 3 of G1 happened. And why they put the Unicron Trilogy on the air half finished. Or why the specifically told the guys who made Beast Machines to ignore Beast Wars.

Swindle01 wrote:It was more than likely just a fluke that the film did so well and they basically made more bad movies of it to make more money

Flukes don't happen three times in a row.

Swindle01 wrote:you cant HONESTLY in your heart tell me michael bay makes good movies.

Say what you will. I really enjoyed them.

Swindle01 wrote:emo bastards likin park

You don't have to be emo to like Linkin Park.

Damn, it's official. Swindle01 was molested by Michael Bay as a child.

But seriously... Bay isn't some avant-garde director putting out perspicacious or intellectually stimulating works of art, but the films are nonetheless watchable and entertaining on many levels. I mean, I can think of one director that's worse off the top of my head. Uwe Boll. Is there anyone that can honestly say (besides Mr. Boll himself) that they'd rather watch one of his films over a Bay movie?

plates wrote:Damn, it's official. Swindle01 was molested by Michael Bay as a child.

But seriously... Bay isn't some avant-garde director putting out perspicacious or intellectually stimulating works of art, but the films are nonetheless watchable and entertaining on many levels. I mean, I can think of one director that's worse off the top of my head. Uwe Boll. Is there anyone that can honestly say (besides Mr. Boll himself) that they'd rather watch one of his films over a Bay movie?

One of Boll's most recent movies is supposed to be actually really good. The rest, however, are quite famously bad.

While we're at it, how about Ed Wood? People watch Michael Bay movies because they like a good popcorn action flick. People watch Ed Wood movies to marvel at how bad they are. He's like a Dr. Forrester experiment gone horribly right.

I'd say Paul WS Anderson, but I actually liked the first Mortal Kombat (Not the sequel, and you know, I really hated that web series they were doing recently) and Event Horizon was just goddamn fantastic.

it's also the single most boring piece of crap ever put onto film, with a 30 minute long plot stretched out to two hours.

This could really be applied to many, many movies.

On the note of King Kong, I really, REEEALLY liked it...oh wait, coincidentally I have the T-Rex as my avatar....moving on, I can see why people wouldn't like it due to length though, just depends on whether you like long movies or not.

Anyways, to the point.

Point 1:Focus on TF's and not humans: I see this as a valid point, as more Robots is always cool, but strangely DOTM is the only TF movie where I felt it absolutely needed more bots, the previous two had a good balance in my opinion.

Point 2:Characters that resonate with fans:I can agree to this, but the original series also had a bit more time to develop characters than the movie did, being a series. Not that they can't do it in movies.

3:TF's losing to human weaponry: Honestly, the only reason I have any agreement with this is that I think the Movie-bots shouldn't have been dying at human hands as fight scenes could just go down cooler if they were bot to bot. However, I don't see the point of making the TransFormers ad godlike as they were in G1 because then it just makes the humans useless. If I remember right, Chumley's the only one who did anything useful against TransFormers and I found that a rather irksome episode...

4:Skids and MudFlap: Never saw why people raged at them so much. Partially because I never saw the racism and overall they just weren't dumb enough to ruin a movie for me.

5:80's Soundtrack: I find this a weird point. Being G1 was...from the 80's, isn't it natural that the Movies would have recent music? I'm not even counting this one.

6:Easily discernable characters: THIS I agree with because there were too many confusing fight scenes that have to be rewatched many times in order to get it. However...I've felt the same thing in G1 so it's a bit moot for me, but I guess it works out differently for others.

you cant HONESTLY in your heart tell me michael bay makes good movies.

Well, all I've seen of his are the TF movies, and I liked all of them so...?

Screamfleet wrote:

it's also the single most boring piece of crap ever put onto film, with a 30 minute long plot stretched out to two hours.

This could really be applied to many, many movies.

No, not nearly the way 2001 draws itself out. That iconic scene of Dave going through the monolith, with all the crazy lights and scenery? That lasts 20 minutes. 2001 is a movie where half of the actual movie is overly drawn-out shots with very little, if anything, happening. It's literally an example of how not to edit a movie. Yes, Kubrick is one of the greatest directors of all time, but come on, he could have left a bit more film on the cutting room floor.

It's literally an example of how not to edit a movie

This could be applied to many many movies.

itt megan leaving the movies and bay ruined transformers forever

(I'd add something constructive but most of the points have been made)

Part 3 is up. 5 Reasons the Live Action Movies are Better than the Cartoons and my overall decision:

http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/20 ... ew-part-3/

Constructive criticism/opinions/suggestions please if you would be so kind.

ignore, reread this again.

Screamfleet wrote:

it's also the single most boring piece of crap ever put onto film, with a 30 minute long plot stretched out to two hours.

I agree,It felt like all 3 TF live action movies wasted far too much time with non-sense stuff like having the humans hang out,lay around & act like fools.

I would have enjoyed a more stream lined TF live action movies. where each movie wasn't 3 hours. where each movie was around 88 minutes. where each TF live action movie went right into the plot & the action scenes.

I honestly didn't need nor did I enjoy the following: all the sam's parents scenes. Shia running around like a fool or getting overly excited. having micheal bay having sam's friends acting like cowards or fools to make shia look more like a man/hero. the lousy cheesy appliance bots scenes. the awful horrible twins & wheelie scenes.

Sadly knowing micheal bad if he were to cut each live action TF movie from 3 hours to 88 minutes each. micheal would have chosen to keep everything I just memntioned in the paragraph above in this reply & get rid of most of the awesome CGI Robots scenes & military men scenes.

deathy wrote:

Screamfleet wrote:

it's also the single most boring piece of crap ever put onto film, with a 30 minute long plot stretched out to two hours.

I agree,It felt like all 3 TF live action movies wasted far too much time with non-sense stuff like having the humans hang out,lay around & act like fools.

Wow that's just...wow. What did you think the reaction to that would be? Did you think it was clever? It wasn't, taking quotes out of context doesn't make you smart, it just means you have so little to back up your argument that all you can do is lie.

And that you're even comparing 2001's tendency to waste time to Transformers' proves that you've seen neither.

deathy wrote:I would have enjoyed a more stream lined TF live action movies. where each movie wasn't 3 hours. where each movie was around 88 minutes. where each TF live action movie went right into the plot & the action scenes.

All three average about two and a half hours each, standard summer blockbuster fair. By comparison, The Dark Knight and Avatar were both longer than any of the TF movies about about ten to twenty minutes, and all of the Avengers movies (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America) are only slightly shorter.

deathy wrote:Sadly knowing micheal bad if he were to cut each live action TF movie from 3 hours to 88 minutes each. micheal would have chosen to keep everything I just memntioned in the paragraph above in this reply & get rid of most of the awesome CGI Robots scenes & military men scenes.

You really believe Michael Bay would cut out the action for cheesy humor? Which means you don't know who Michael Bay is. Michael Bay love loud action scenes, explosions, and the military doing things.

In a perfect world, in a perfect time I'd have hope a re-issue/improvement/fix the errors in the G1 Movie. Add the cut scenes( or those that didn't make it to the final cut etc)with Toei doing the entire animation.

Reason 1: They were cartoons and not live action.
Reason 2: They achieved a cohesive narrative.
Reason 3: The gimmick was brand new to me and my peers.
Reason 4: The alt modes were better.
Reason 5: No ties to the US Military, Lockheed Martin, or GM & and their political undertones.
Reason 6: The Decepticons were given dimensionality - origin, motivations, expertise.

Shadowman wrote:

deathy wrote:

Screamfleet wrote:

You really believe Michael Bay would cut out the action for cheesy humor? Which means you don't know who Michael Bay is. Michael Bay love loud action scenes, explosions, and the military doing things.

Shadowman,Please stop all the insults & deameaning towards me. everyone has the right here to voice his/her opinion. if you don't agree with it,please debate your reasons why in respectful & polite ways that don't offend myself & others.

Personally I would have preferred 3 "serious" TF live action movies similar to how the last Terminator movie was done.

IMO,Micheal bay ruined all 3 TF Live action movies by filling up 75% of each TF movie with cheesy comedy. it seemed like the robots were fighting for screen time. because the human cast was so large in all 3 TF Live action movies. the humans were pratically tripping over each other & constantly bumping into each other in a crowded room or elevator.

Hopefully the next directors & writters does a better job,Has less cheesy comedy. less cheesy dialogue. a smaller cast of humans & better plots/arc/stories. here's also hoping we get actual actors with talent & not flunkies. sadly some of the really talented actors in the 3 live action TF movie were given such short roles with very little screen time,they were over shadowed by all the talentless actors/actresses that got 95% of the screen time/scenes/dialogue.