Va'al wrote:Good idea, allows everyone to talk about it while not dragging the other thread into annoying discussions over who spoiled what.
Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
Bleak5170 wrote:From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
Variety review wrote:...Michael Bay's symphony of destruction...
Rodimus Prime wrote:Variety review wrote:...Michael Bay's symphony of destruction...
If I wasn't sold on the movie, I sure as hell am now!
william-james88 wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
Why? I ask because this is the first one I MUST watch at the theatres since the first film. You dont like them killing autobots, I take it.
Bleak5170 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
Why? I ask because this is the first one I MUST watch at the theatres since the first film. You dont like them killing autobots, I take it.
Yeah that for sure. Ironhide was bad enough but this is too much. Plus some of the reviews I read make the movie sound just.....okay.
Bleak5170 wrote:Yeah that's true. I guess anything would be an improvement on ROTF and DOTM.
You said it almost like that was a bad thing... I belive that 2 Autobot's death is not enough, they should killed all of them, maybe except for Hound and BBB.Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Yeah that's true. I guess anything would be an improvement on ROTF and DOTM.
I don't get the hate for DoTM. I understand it for RoTF. It was a convoluted mess with some high spots of awesome action and some really low spots of toilet humor.
TurboMMaster wrote:You said it almost like that was a bad thing... I belive that 2 Autobot's death is not enough, they should killed all of them, maybe except for Hound and BBB.Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
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During Beast Wars Era, Dinobot was one of the most popular characters (I was his great fan). However many people belive that killing him was one of things that made him so great (since it was pure heroism) And Code of Hero is consider one of the best Beast Wars episodes. Death of important character isn't always a bad thing. As long as deathh are well made, I don't see reason why characters can't die. The main problem with Bayformers is: There is no good death scenes. So fas the only character that wasn't humiliated before kill was Optimus Prime. Hopefully, Michael Bay is out after AOE (althought it's hard to belive), then maybe new director will give us part of heroism and epicness we desire.Bleak5170 wrote:For me it's all about the characters more than the universe itself. When my favourites die I pretty much lose all interest
Bleak5170 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Yeah that's true. I guess anything would be an improvement on ROTF and DOTM.
I don't get the hate for DoTM. I understand it for RoTF. It was a convoluted mess with some high spots of awesome action and some really low spots of toilet humor.
It wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen by any means, and it was certainly a LOT better than ROTF, but honestly it kind of bored me. It sounds crazy to say this about a movie which revolves around giant, battling robots, but there was almost TOO much action. When you're looking at your watch, waiting for a movie to end, you know there's something wrong. The person I was with, (who enjoyed the other movies), was saying, "Ugh, when is this going to end???"
Rodimus Prime wrote: It wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen by any means, and it was certainly a LOT better than ROTF, but honestly it kind of bored me. It sounds crazy to say this about a movie which revolves around giant, battling robots, but there was almost TOO much action. When you're looking at your watch, waiting for a movie to end, you know there's something wrong. The person I was with, (who enjoyed the other movies), was saying, "Ugh, when is this going to end???"
william-james88 wrote:But wait, the action in DOTM which may have made it boring was all the military action, as was described in the quote above. If you break it down, DOTM had very little Transformer on Transformer action. Starscream and Shockwave were taken down by humans and the final Optimus vs megatron vs Sentinel fight was only 5 mins long at most. There is no military in this film taking down Lockdown in the big final battle. It is all transformer on transformer action and that should not be as boring.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Yeah that's true. I guess anything would be an improvement on ROTF and DOTM.
I don't get the hate for DoTM. I understand it for RoTF. It was a convoluted mess with some high spots of awesome action and some really low spots of toilet humor. But DoTM actually had a fairly decent story. Is it that Sentinel was made a bad guy? For me, the only things that were negatives from that movie were the gross mistreatment of Megatron, Starscream and Shockwave, as well as the abundant emphasis on the military. (No way in hell could they do what they did to the Decepticons.) Other than that, it was actually pretty good. Which is why it was popular enough to make over a BILLION dollars. (I understand that just because a movie makes a lot it doesn't mean high quality, but if a lot of people saw it 2 times or more in theaters, which is what I suspect the case to be for it to have such a high gross, it had to be at least a good experience.)
TurboMMaster wrote:You said it almost like that was a bad thing... I belive that 2 Autobot's death is not enough, they should killed all of them, maybe except for Hound and BBB.Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
However, I'm glad that it's now confirmed that Optimus is deactivated at some point. Actually, it was obvious all along, but you know Primelovers...
CarWrapKid wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Bleak5170 wrote:Yeah that's true. I guess anything would be an improvement on ROTF and DOTM.
I don't get the hate for DoTM. I understand it for RoTF. It was a convoluted mess with some high spots of awesome action and some really low spots of toilet humor. But DoTM actually had a fairly decent story. Is it that Sentinel was made a bad guy? For me, the only things that were negatives from that movie were the gross mistreatment of Megatron, Starscream and Shockwave, as well as the abundant emphasis on the military. (No way in hell could they do what they did to the Decepticons.) Other than that, it was actually pretty good. Which is why it was popular enough to make over a BILLION dollars. (I understand that just because a movie makes a lot it doesn't mean high quality, but if a lot of people saw it 2 times or more in theaters, which is what I suspect the case to be for it to have such a high gross, it had to be at least a good experience.)TurboMMaster wrote:You said it almost like that was a bad thing... I belive that 2 Autobot's death is not enough, they should killed all of them, maybe except for Hound and BBB.Bleak5170 wrote:The two deaths I know of on the Autobot side I called long before we even had a single trailer.
From what I have been reading, this will be the first TF I skip in the theater.
However, I'm glad that it's now confirmed that Optimus is deactivated at some point. Actually, it was obvious all along, but you know Primelovers...
This thread is spoilers-allowed, you can flat out say it. Who dies, Optimus and Ratchet?
CarWrapKid wrote:DOTM was HORRIBLE, worse than ROTF in many ways that I shall begin to explain here:
* The amount of holes. Firstly, DOTM was the first film in the franchise to just remove a bunch of characters and not explain why at all (Mudflap, Skids, Jolt). I don't care how "unimportant" they were, or that a lot of people hated the stereotype twins, it comes down to coherency to deliver a solid film and because Bay didn't explain it, it damaged the film's integrity. And on that topic, where did all that hench Jetfire armour go? It sure as hell isn't in the trailer suit.
* Secondly, whilst ROTF had a very MacGuffin, Dues Ex plot where Jetfire explained the entire movie in a 2 minute speech, at least the plot was somewhat coherent. DOTM has huge plot holes that simply don't make sense. Examples: How does Bumblebee go from saving Sam and Lennox and running around with the military, to being a prisoner of Soundwave in 60 seconds with no explanation of how he/they got there? How the **** did Megatron go from the top of a tower to sitting in an alley? The entire tower sequence - how the **** do they go from near the top when they're lining the rocket, to the top of the tower when they jump out, slide to the bottom, then somehow when it falls 90 degrees they are at the top again? BECAUSE ACTION.
Optimus is deactivated, not killed ( at least this is from scratches I readed in review). I don't know did he die, even if I would love to see it.CarWrapKid wrote:This thread is spoilers-allowed, you can flat out say it. Who dies, Optimus and Ratchet?
And actually, this is enough to consider DOTM terrible for me. Plus don't forget about plot holes and forced retcons. One of the reason why Bay's trilogy is so bad, it's because it is a trilogy at all! I would rather watch this movies as a stand-alone movies from different Universes. And also, Movies are simply badly directed.CarWrapKid wrote:For me, the only things that were negatives from that movie were the gross mistreatment of Megatron, Starscream and Shockwave, as well as the abundant emphasis on the military. (No way in hell could they do what they did to the Decepticons.) Other than that, it was actually pretty good.
Well, their absence is explained in comic books, but if you didn'r read them, you have no idea what is going on. Plus I don't understand why Decepticons are powerfull bad asses in other part of franchise (Including Bayformer's comic books and video games even if they are canon) but in movie, they can't do anything.CarWrapKid wrote:The amount of holes. Firstly, DOTM was the first film in the franchise to just remove a bunch of characters and not explain why at all (Mudflap, Skids, Jolt). I don't care how "unimportant" they were, or that a lot of people hated the stereotype twins, it comes down to coherency to deliver a solid film and because Bay didn't explain it, it damaged the film's integrity. And on that topic, where did all that hench Jetfire armour go? It sure as hell isn't in the trailer suit.
Well, he created good Gambit and manipluated Humans and Autobots alike to the point when Decepeticons regain adventage. Also, he was able to beat and mortally wound Sentinel (something Optimus wasn't able to do at all). So it's not that simple. The problem is, he didn't get a single kill (Scalpel didn't count from obvious reason) and his death scene was sensless.CarWrapKid wrote:* I also wish Megatron was actually portrayed as being even a little bit threatening in this film to anything outside of the Saharan desert
It Is Him wrote:
Time passed. They died. Who cares. Jolt was never even introduced in ROTF... he just kinda showed up mid-film. DOTM was better off without them.
Again, this is supernitpicky.
It Is Him wrote:Does Micheal Bay have to spell everything out for you? Did you really want a scene where Megatron does a soliloquy, climbs down a tower and mopes?
Rodimus Prime wrote:The Jetfire "armor" (dead body is more like it) is not a permanent upgrade. Optimus used it that 1 time when he fought The Fallen. The Fallen basically tore it apart when they were fighting anyway, ruining it. Optimus even shakes off the pieces at the end of RoTF when the fight is finished. That explains Jetfire. In the novel, The Twins get killed by Sentinel when he turns. He actually shoots Mudflap in the face as he is trying to protect Bumblebee. Jolt also gets shot by Sentinel. As for Megatron ending up down in the alley, it's also in the book, when Sentinel grabs him and tells him "I agreed to work with you, not for you!" he actually grabs Megatron by the neck and throws him off the building, effectively ending their "partnership" when Cybertron arrives. I'm not sure why these details weren't included in the movie, it would have made more sense if they were. Even so, DoTM is still a much better film than RoTF.
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