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Yeah, he died, and was resurrected. Rhinox pulled his spark out of the Allspark. The death there was temporary.njb902 wrote:Look at what happened with Optimus Primal in season 2 of Beast Wars, his body was destroyed and yet his consciousness was implanted in a new body.
After the Quints reversed his death.njb902 wrote:Optimus Prime "died" in Transformers the movie, but he was up and kicking by the end of season 3.
After Unicron pulled his conscious out of limbo.njb902 wrote:Megatron "died" at the end of Transformers Prime season 3, but he's "alive" at the end of the movie. Ect. Ect.
You do know that Transformer deaths are reversible, right?njb902 wrote:In the end none of us know. We all have our opinions, but that's all they are.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, he died, and was resurrected. Rhinox pulled his spark out of the Allspark. The death there was temporary.njb902 wrote:Look at what happened with Optimus Primal in season 2 of Beast Wars, his body was destroyed and yet his consciousness was implanted in a new body.After the Quints reversed his death.njb902 wrote:Optimus Prime "died" in Transformers the movie, but he was up and kicking by the end of season 3.After Unicron pulled his conscious out of limbo.njb902 wrote:Megatron "died" at the end of Transformers Prime season 3, but he's "alive" at the end of the movie. Ect. Ect.You do know that Transformer deaths are reversible, right?njb902 wrote:In the end none of us know. We all have our opinions, but that's all they are.
Sabrblade wrote:Because it has happened countless times in the past 30 years of TF fiction?
This isn't about opinions. I have no opinion on the matter because what the writers do with the characters is out of my, yours, or anyone's hands.njb902 wrote:You're right. I should know better than to have an opinion by now.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
As I said to njb902, you do realize that TF deaths are reversible, right?Blast Cannon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because it has happened countless times in the past 30 years of TF fiction?
And there have been many countless examples of those Transformers being re-downloaded into a new body. So unless you're arguing a case for zombie Transformers, you must accept that they, like Optimus Prime now, were simply put into storage.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:This isn't about opinions. I have no opinion on the matter because what the writers do with the characters is out of my, yours, or anyone's hands.njb902 wrote:You're right. I should know better than to have an opinion by now.
*sigh*
Here, just... take a look at these:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Death
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime
Sabrblade wrote:As I said to njb902, you do realize that TF deaths are reversible, right?Blast Cannon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because it has happened countless times in the past 30 years of TF fiction?
And there have been many countless examples of those Transformers being re-downloaded into a new body. So unless you're arguing a case for zombie Transformers, you must accept that they, like Optimus Prime now, were simply put into storage.
Only if you come back in an undead form. If you come back with your life fully restored as it once was prior to your death, you're alive again.Blast Cannon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:As I said to njb902, you do realize that TF deaths are reversible, right?Blast Cannon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because it has happened countless times in the past 30 years of TF fiction?
And there have been many countless examples of those Transformers being re-downloaded into a new body. So unless you're arguing a case for zombie Transformers, you must accept that they, like Optimus Prime now, were simply put into storage.
You do realise that when you die and you come back to life you're a zombie, right?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:This isn't about opinions. I have no opinion on the matter because what the writers do with the characters is out of my, yours, or anyone's hands.njb902 wrote:You're right. I should know better than to have an opinion by now.
*sigh*
Here, just... take a look at these:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Death
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime
Sabrblade wrote:Only if you come back in an undead form. If you come back with your life fully restored as it once was prior to your death, you're alive again.Blast Cannon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:As I said to njb902, you do realize that TF deaths are reversible, right?Blast Cannon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because it has happened countless times in the past 30 years of TF fiction?
And there have been many countless examples of those Transformers being re-downloaded into a new body. So unless you're arguing a case for zombie Transformers, you must accept that they, like Optimus Prime now, were simply put into storage.
You do realise that when you die and you come back to life you're a zombie, right?![]()
Also, go watch Beast Machines.
I don't want that.njb902 wrote:I said you're right, what more do you want.
Don't do that. Don't belittle yourself for my or anyone else's sake. You're a reasonable and intelligent guy, based on other posts you made in the past.njb902 wrote:I was wrong, please except my heartfelt apology for my intellectual failings. It was wrong of me to have had a opinion based on anything beyond the absolute facts of the situation. It was wrong for me to have had my own viewpoint about the meaning of death in the transformers multiverse that may be contrary to the writers vision. Finally it was wrong of me to have questioned how and why transformers return from the dead without understanding why.
You don't have to "give" anything, especially not a surrender.njb902 wrote:I don't know what else I can give Sabrblade.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I don't want that.njb902 wrote:I said you're right, what more do you want.Don't do that. Don't belittle yourself for my or anyone else's sake. You're a reasonable and intelligent guy, based on other posts you made in the past.njb902 wrote:I was wrong, please except my heartfelt apology for my intellectual failings. It was wrong of me to have had a opinion based on anything beyond the absolute facts of the situation. It was wrong for me to have had my own viewpoint about the meaning of death in the transformers multiverse that may be contrary to the writers vision. Finally it was wrong of me to have questioned how and why transformers return from the dead without understanding why.You don't have to "give" anything, especially not a surrender.njb902 wrote:I don't know what else I can give Sabrblade.
Giving up in such a way is the last thing I'd wish upon anyone. I know I can seem intimidating at times and I hate how that comes across. A common ground is all I aim for, but one that's reached in a fair manner rather than just handed by one party to the other. For that isn't equality.
Wait: Isn't strongly suggested that there is reincarnation between Cybertronians in this Universe?Sabrblade wrote:He became "one with the AllSpark", which Smokescreen remarked meant "That's what you say when someone kicks the..." ("bucket" is likely what he gonna finish with), and a distressed Ratchet spoke of Optimus about to lose his life. For a Cybertronain to "join the Allspark" is to leave the land of the living and enter the afterlife, essentially the Transformer equivalent of going into Heaven.njb902 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Guys, within the context of just Transformers: Prime, it was permanent. Any resurrection he may inevitably get in a follow up series would be outside of the Transformers: Prime series. You guys are all thinking within the context of the greater continuity, while I'm only speaking from the context of just the individual series that it occurred in itself.
It's no different from saying that Optimus Primal permanently died at the end of Beast Machines, even though two different follow up stories brought him back from the dead. Those stories are outside of the Beast Machines cartoon, so they aren't part of that series even though they are part of its greater continuity.
I just don't think he died.
TurboMMaster wrote:Wait: Isn't strongly suggested that there is reincarnation between Cybertronians in this Universe?Sabrblade wrote:He became "one with the AllSpark", which Smokescreen remarked meant "That's what you say when someone kicks the..." ("bucket" is likely what he gonna finish with), and a distressed Ratchet spoke of Optimus about to lose his life. For a Cybertronain to "join the Allspark" is to leave the land of the living and enter the afterlife, essentially the Transformer equivalent of going into Heaven.njb902 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Guys, within the context of just Transformers: Prime, it was permanent. Any resurrection he may inevitably get in a follow up series would be outside of the Transformers: Prime series. You guys are all thinking within the context of the greater continuity, while I'm only speaking from the context of just the individual series that it occurred in itself.
It's no different from saying that Optimus Primal permanently died at the end of Beast Machines, even though two different follow up stories brought him back from the dead. Those stories are outside of the Beast Machines cartoon, so they aren't part of that series even though they are part of its greater continuity.
I just don't think he died.
1) Breakdown said to Bulkhead in "Operation: Breakdown" Maybe in next life
2) Optimus also said that "This is yet another transformation", and later that all life comes and goes back to the Allspark
3) There is a great resemblance between Breakdown and Darksteel, arguably even between Dreadwing and Skylynx.
4)This flying Red Spark...
The point is: I belive that Optimus in Aligned Contiuity technically isn't "dead" yet he reborn as some compleltly different Cybertronian with no memeory, different body and personality. I think it is nice way to keep him "alive", and making he's return impossible at the same time.
Actually, Transformers 5 without Optimus could be the best movie of the series, especially if they decide that Megatron stay dead. I'm kinda tired of Optimus and Megatron beign like Kenny Mccormick in this universe. 4 movies with main Transformers cast remains pretty much the same is enough for me.
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