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Lycantendencies wrote:

Satomiblood wrote:Seriously people, quit berating others for enjoying this movie.

Actually, it started with people being unhappy with the movie and the fans berrating us for it.

I seem to recall the "haters" labelling the "supporters" as "low brow unevolved apes" long before the "haters" started to get berated.

Not that it even matters. I liked the movie, someone else didn't, fair enough. Nothing more needs to be said provided people can respect that some liked it and some didn't.

Burn wrote:Not that it even matters. I liked the movie, someone else didn't, fair enough. Nothing more needs to be said provided people can respect that some liked it and some didn't.

Completely agree on that.

As for the higbrow/lowbrow thing, in my experience, it was vice versa.
Prior to the film's release, I both critisized and praised aspects of the film we knew about.
There were haters who were bad, but the lovers were far worse.

In fact, long before the film was actually released for any snobs to call those who like the movie "low brow unevolved apes", I was getting called similar names over my stance on some designs etc.

When saying that, in my opinion, some of the robots would look better with a little more traditional design style, I was called a retarded idiot who wants giant toys running around, before being shouted at to grow up.

When I mentioned the public would probably accept mass shifting, as they had in films before and they later did with the Allspark, I was again called an idiot who lived in a childish fantasy world.

I suppose it all depends on experience and mine saw more pro movie snobs.

hmmm well looking at your join date you missed all the fun.

I was "pro movie" (still am for that matter). I avoided the leaked script, but I looked at the pics that were released, the toys, the trailers, etc etc.

There were things I didn't like and for a while I had my doubts, but I wanted to wait to see the final product before deciding one way or another.

Unfortunately that stance didn't sit well with others, and while I told people they should wait for the final product before deciding, they felt it was necessary to criticize and abuse me for my opinions.

Like I said, this was before you joined. It was around your join date that things started to change and people were getting excited.

As far as poo flinging goes, one side has been as bad as the other. A smaller minority on either side however have gone too far at times and ruined it for everyone.

Burn wrote:hmmm well looking at your join date you missed all the fun.

My join date is misleading.

I've been aware of the fandom since I first got net access, around 2000, but the geewunners and things put me off.
I came back around 2003, but was mostly just a reader as the competition between forums and each forum's individual high school clique mentalities get on my nerves.

When it was announced that Seibertron would be absorbing TF Master, not wanting to be affiliated with one site in particular, I joined everywhere, except here as eventually my name would be ported over.
I got bored waiting and just signed up.

So though I look new here, I've read for a lot longer and I have seen what you talk of, both here and elsewhere.

Burn wrote:Unfortunately that stance didn't sit well with others, and while I told people they should wait for the final product before deciding, they felt it was necessary to criticize and abuse me for my opinions.

I know people like you were attacked for your stance, and attacking you was wrong, but by the same token, I also think some people were able to make up their mind beforehand, so felt they or their reasons were being attacked when told to wait.

For example, I only like two Bay films and like nothing the writers have ever worked on. I also read parts of the "fake" script, which contained what we saw in the movie and disliked it, and I disliked most designs as I'm not a fan of many robots outside of the very traditional looking TF design style, so only Blackout, Starscream and Prime really appealed to me.

I actually waited until the prequel and movie to make up my mind for sure (as it had the lore), but I could have told you for months at least that in reality, there was as much chance of me liking it as there was of a guy who hates all fizzy drinks liking a new one.

With that in mind, you could see how patronising someone telling me to wait anyway could have looked.
It's like being told you can't know things that you can, or having people assume you're one of the dummy spitters that just didn't want to like it.

It's still wrong to attack you, but in some of their eyes at least, you attacked them and they were either defending themselves, or retaliating in kind.

It's all about pov.

Burn wrote:As far as poo flinging goes, one side has been as bad as the other.

I totally disagree. Even if I don't take my personal experiences into account, this is where the clique mentality comes into play.

On one forum, someone started a thread saying "this movie rocks". This was obviously his opinion. It couldn't be anything else.
One idiot fanboy was so offended or something that he had to try and put a dampner on the thread, and the only way he could was the tried and tested, "in your opinion, stop stating it like fact".
Quite rightly, the thread was flooded with people telling him to stop being a prat.

By comparison, this thread. It's the reverse, but same situation.
Someone says it sucked, which can only be opinion, and two people try the "in your opinion, stop stating your opinion like fact" cop out post.

However, instead of the people doing what they did when an anti movie troll tried that, it was comparatively quiet.
I of course did as the pro movie people and called them on thier obvious trolling, but get accused of trolling instead, even having people bring this thread into others.

If they were both minorities and both as bad as each other, they would be treated equally for their actions, regardless of belief, but the anti movie lot are jumped on ten times more every time in the majority of the forums.

Lycantendencies wrote:I've been aware of the fandom since I first got net access, around 2000, but the geewunners and things put me off.

Hell, I could be regarded as a "geewunner", but I find the behaviour of some them so embarrassing I try to avoid being recognised as one!

So though I look new here, I've read for a lot longer and I have seen what you talk of, both here and elsewhere.

Personally speaking I only saw what happened here. That was enough for me, I sure as hell didn't want to see what was going on elsewhere. So i'm not quite sure whether to applaud you for reading so much of it, or to offer you some form of medication to help you forget it all!

I know people like you were attacked for your stance, and attacking you was wrong, but by the same token, I also think some people were able to make up their mind beforehand, so felt they or their reasons were being attacked when told to wait.

Well personally I still believe you can't judge something fully until you see the final product.

Believe me, I was seeing things I didn't like, hell there are still things I don't like. But I went in prepared to be disappointed or suprised, and despite a few flaws I was suprised.

After I saw it (because I was lucky enough to go to the advanced screening three weeks before it opened) I probably did become one of those "just go and see it it totally rocks!!111!!" twits before I got over it.

For example, I only like two Bay films and like nothing the writers have ever worked on. I also read parts of the "fake" script, which contained what we saw in the movie and disliked it, and I disliked most designs as I'm not a fan of many robots outside of the very traditional looking TF design style, so only Blackout, Starscream and Prime really appealed to me.

I'm the same, I only liked a couple of Bay films and really detested a couple of his others. I avoided the script though as I didn't want too much of the movie spoiled for me. So that probably attributed to me taking the "wait and see it" stance as I had no idea of what flaws would be in the movie.

Everything else aside, (because I do understand where you're coming from) I consider you one of the rare ones. Someone who can dislike the movie and express themselves in a civil manner without resorting to personal insults.

So thank you for it.

As to those who say that "it was all Bay's fault", I completely disagree. With the shaky camera and all teh chaos, I felt like I was in a warzone (that's a good thing for me!). However, The Bay should have never been a director in the first place. He needs to be a SFX show-runner because that's the one thing he knows how to do. And he does a damn fine job of it.

I congratulated the movie it was a masterpiece...whats wrong with it? Nothing!

I congratulated the movie it was a masterpiece...whats wrong with it? Nothing!

Frenzy15 wrote:I congratulated the movie it was a masterpiece...whats wrong with it? Nothing!

Are you Frenzy or an Insecticon ? You said it twice, twice ? lol

Gah, I hope i'm not being condemned as a troll.

Like I said before, I have no problem with people liking the movie. I'm not gonna try and make them not like it. It's just that, for me, there were too many plot holes and redundant humes running around. And the sequence in Sam's house (you know which bit) just made me cringe.


The amount of people in here who can't seem to cope with the fact that other people might have differing opinions is just plain scary.

I hope the next film is 10x better. I really do.

The first movie is hardly a Masterpiece. It's not a bad movie either though. Given that opinion seems to be generally split 50/50 on the merits of the first film. I think Bay's next attempt will do one of two things (though there are probably other likely scenarios). First, the movie will suck and some people who liked the first movie will conclude that Bay is no great at making movies. Second, the movie will be awesome and some people who were down on the first movie will see that it was a step toward something better.

Let's hope for the second scenario. About 20% of the population will probably never change their position, but the other 80% can come on the forum and talk about how awesome the Transformers Movies/Trilogy/Decology is.

Ah to dream...

i ain't disappointed that Michael Bay's still helming TF2.

look at it this way:

there could be better directors out there who could polish the movie franchise to greatness, but remember - there are far worse directors out there who could screw the movie back to the stone age (*cough* Uwe Boll *cough*).

I'll be the first to admit that when I heard Bay was doing the movie I said "Uh oh" but that was mostly from things I had heard about him from other sites and just the "general opinions" of a lot of people, I've only seen Armageddon and The Rock, Armageddon I thought wasn't bad but a little too over the top for the most part but it's his second most popular film after transformers now at least as some statistics go.
After a while when I started doing more research on the film and seeing some of the final versions I tried to keep an open mind and go into the movie and enjoy it without the stigma of "ohh, no way, they changed this and that and it can ONLY be this way" type of mentality, how many times has the character of optimus prime changed over the last 25 years just himself ?
Lets see, he's been a flat nosed semi truck, a fire truck, a gorilla, apex armored and at least half a dozen other versions so I was dumbfounded at the backlash of "Oh my god he has flames now and he's a long nosed trailer and he has lips too"
I love the original cartoon and movie but we already had that back in 1986 but at the same time I don't want to be stuck in 1984 when it all started the rest of my life, a direct transfer of every idea that we've already seen does not make for a good live action cgi movie.

Say for example that everyone loved the script and the movie, special effects and all but at the end there would probably be those who are like, well why wasn't so and so in the movie , point is no matter who directs it,produces it or writes it you're never going to be able to please everyone.

The movie had it's flaws but it's not entirely the directors fault but merely a combination of director,editor,writing and even the budget will effect quality.

Overall I was pleased with the movie but it seems it boils down to personal likes and dislikes and that's fine but if we all really want what we want in these movies then it's up to each of us to collect 200 million a piece and make our own films to get our own way.

I was never against the re-designs, and my feelings about Bay were 50/50 (Rock=Good, Armageddeon=Bad), so I tried to reserve judgement about his style of direction. My beef is with the script, and the fact that the buck stops with the guy in the directors chair.