I see it as more in the spirit of Beast Wars and the Unicron Trilogy, where that kind of thing was all over the place.Gauntlet101010 wrote:I spent too much on TFs this month, but that's on my radar for next month! It's not a perfect fix, but the toy ain't perfect either.
Gotta say, though, it's very much in the spirit of ER Cliffjumper and Arcee. There are probably a few modern TFs that have a gun form a key potion of the vehicle mode.
Except that Warden evidently has a huuuge aversion to the "Weapon made from part of altmode" thing that was common in Beast Wars through Animated, except in cases where it was part of the G1 design. So this kind of solution would never have occurred to him (and it does have its downsides - look at how many secondhand toys from that era are missing their altmode's aft).Rodimus Prime wrote:HEY HASBRO! LOOK! SEE HOW F**KING EASY THAT WAS?! THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON A F**KING $50 TOY!!!
That's what I'm assuming, at any rate, since except for characters like Skullcruncher and Galvatron where it was part of their original G1 design he's been avoiding it.Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, a different chest would have been an easy enough fix, but this is good as well. And for the most part I approve of what Warden has done, but he got hung up on something small like that? Seriously?
My issue with UW Bruticus' deco is replicating the idiotic Blastoff-colored chestplate from the cartoon.Rodimus Prime wrote:And yeah, UW Bruticus is a bit of a clown show, but it's mostly because Onlsaught is bright yellow with a purple chest. The limbs are actually not that bad. They're all only a little off. But Onlsaught... I actually bought Brawl, Swindle and Vortex, and along with the exclusive Blast Off and UW Cyclonus made a Marvel Bruticus. The other Combaticon set represents the IDW version.
Only if your definition of "perfect" is "cartoon accuracy gone mad". Where previous MPs were "What the character would look like in real life", MP-44 is instead designed to look like a 2D image that got up off its animation cel; I have thus dubbed him a "Roger Rabbit MP". He's cartoon accurate in the worst possible way - he has a bonkers-complex transformation because he's designed to replicate the on-screen appearance including the dumbing-down.Rodimus Prime wrote:And isn't MP-44 perfect? For that price he better be.
Well, even without plastic going to the tender I think that hangup on the cartoon chest design would have resulted in the faulty shuttle mode aft, especially in conjunction with Astrotrain's arms being so beefy that they have to form the majority of his rear section instead of being able to tuck into the torso like on the G1 toy. Unless they contrived some way to keep that stupid chestplate right-side-up when it moved back to cover the arms (instead of having it swing 180 degrees and expose its hollow back, breaking up some of the body contours in the process), I think the shuttle mode would have looked bad even if all the plastic had been used on the main robot body and he'd had no accessories whatsoever.Rodimus Prime wrote:I just realized I mixed up UW Bruticus with CW G2 Bruticus...
So if Warden has such a hard-on for G1 accuracy, why give Astrotrain an unnecessary tender? He didn't have it in the G1 series. Could have spent the extra plastic on making Astrotrain bigger and fixing his rear end in shuttle mode. And yes, I know we have previously debated the last part, so let's just focus on the question.
Rodimus Prime wrote:HEY HASBRO! LOOK! SEE HOW F**KING EASY THAT WAS?! THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON A F**KING $50 TOY!!!
Could have been, but I don't think it would have occurred to the current design team. And I admit that I would prefer a replacement chestplate since that would be integrated.-Kanrabat- wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:HEY HASBRO! LOOK! SEE HOW F**KING EASY THAT WAS?! THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON A F**KING $50 TOY!!!
And it could have been one of the wagon's piece.
Well, between the arms thing shifting the train panels back a bit and the need to give him real feet, that couldn't be helped; the train front has to be narrow so that it can fold away into the legs... And while the running plate and wheel gauge are overly narrow, at least there aren't the ugly gaps.-Kanrabat- wrote:I still think the tiny front of the train is worse though.
SpikeyTigertron wrote:I know this is more of a cathartic b****fest... but... man... he's *not* that bad guys... the back end doesn't bother me. the front of the train did a little bit, but it all blends into the whole. Unless aesthetics just blow folks out of the water, they should give the toy a try and judge in-hand imo.
Yeah, that's why I'm waiting for it to be marked down, or maybe find one online without the extra unnecessary crap. I'm not paying $50 for a voyager figure.-Kanrabat- wrote:not worth the full price, but more than worth it on sale.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that's why I'm waiting for it to be marked down, or maybe find one online without the extra unnecessary crap. I'm not paying $50 for a voyager figure.-Kanrabat- wrote:not worth the full price, but more than worth it on sale.
ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think leaders will ever go back to that standard in this current climate. Though I wonder how much mass has been lost in that time span
ZeroWolf wrote:Judging from the photos from toy fair I think more voyagerish size. A lot of the mass goes to the missile
-Kanrabat- wrote:Hell, if one wanted a white Optimus with an armor upgrade to become Ultra Magnus, the only option appart the G1 original was the Classic mold with the 3P armor City Commander. Then, G1 Optimus with his official trailer finally came back after G1.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'd just like to point out that there was an add-on set for CW Magnus that gave him his own white prime and a few others odds and ends. Didn't get it, though.
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