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While I know tht the majority of us are thinking "YES, It's about @3&$ time!" as far as the Autobots finally doing what needs to be done to win the war, has anyone thought about what imprewssion it made on the younger viewers? I know there was a rating on the movie and it warned about violence etc. etc. but I think we all saw that many parents failied to notice the rating and brought yougnsters anyway.
Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot.
Lastjustice wrote:Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot.
well I dont happen recall Demolisher begging for mercy when prime said any last words. He basically was like Screw you Prime, the fallen will come kick your aft. Then Prime shot him. He had a chance to speak, and all he could say was a threat. (which if Demolisher kept his mouth shut there'd been no warning.) I mean what were they supposed to do with him? He killed a bunch of soldiers with no remorse, and asked for no quarter. Death was the only good solution.
zwann wrote:You can't win a war without casualties. But you can win a war without skinning your enemies alive.
TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.
Counterpunch wrote:TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.
He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.
He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.
He killed the Fallen.
When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Counterpunch wrote:TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.
He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.
He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.
He killed the Fallen.
When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.
Prime has a head fetish or something.
"I WANT YOUR FACE!" Should be a meme.
Counterpunch wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Counterpunch wrote:TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.
He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.
He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.
He killed the Fallen.
When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.
Prime has a head fetish or something.
"I WANT YOUR FACE!" Should be a meme.
While I am compelled to make a joke about head...
It seems Prime paid attention in school because the Transformers HE kills, stay dead.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Well Prime won't wait till someone gives him head - he just takes it!
TheGrumble wrote:Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!
I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Obiprime wrote:The Autobots and Decepticons have been at WAR for a Millenia. The Autobots are Warriors First. Do not let Prime Nobleness Mislead you.
T-Macksimus wrote: You can only fight for so long before you finally have had enough. Like Prime said in '86.
"Megatron Must Be Stopped...No Matter The Cost!"
Obiprime wrote:The Autobots and Decepticons have been at WAR for a Millenia. The Autobots are Warriors First. Do not let Prime Nobleness Mislead you.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Prime Riblet wrote:I loved every second that Optimus was on the screen. I was so glad he wasn't playing patty-cake again like he did during his 07 movie fight with Megatron. He really showed how much of a bad-ass he was. He didn't talk a bunch of crap or anything. He just efficiently killed and kicked ass. So cool. So awesome.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Prime Riblet wrote:I loved every second that Optimus was on the screen. I was so glad he wasn't playing patty-cake again like he did during his 07 movie fight with Megatron. He really showed how much of a bad-ass he was. He didn't talk a bunch of crap or anything. He just efficiently killed and kicked ass. So cool. So awesome.
Exactly! I don't care if Prime has always showed some kind of compassion in G1 or the other series. This is the Prime that should have been!
That's not true at all. There were many humans killed in both TF1 and Rotf. Even one impaled by Scorponok? Remember that in the first movie? In both movies many humans were killed during the fighting scenes. Sure they don't show human body parts or serious bodily wounds on human, but they were human characters being killed.Lastjustice wrote: Well I knew fully well it was going be a bit violent, but they were all robot deaths.
T-Macksimus wrote:The outwardly apparent violence isn't the aspect that is bothering folks or what needs to be looked at in regards to kids or sensitve fans. It's the intent, the undertone. The spirit in which the act took place. Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot. Point blank to the head. It wasn't a battle sequence or anything like that. The fight was very clearly over.
That's the aspect that has some people complaining. They are wondering how that is justified as being a part of the Autobots way. That and the brutal dismemberment of Ravage raised a few eyebrows as well. It made MY jaw drop.
No Death for Prowl wrote:The concept of "Autobots" that I'm familiar with is generally peace-loving, compassionate beings who, despite not being warriors, have taken up arms against the Decepticons to protect life and freedom not for just themselves, but all beings.
There is something noble and heroic about beings who decide to fight even when their natural inclination and desire is not to do so.
I think this was truly put on display in the '86 movie when the Autobots were truly overpowered by the natural warrior nature of the 'Cons and many ended up sacrificing themselves despite the odds being against them from the start.
Shadowman wrote:TheGrumble wrote:Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!
I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.
It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.
Flare wrote:Shadowman wrote:TheGrumble wrote:Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!
I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.
It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.
Maybe Prime was just channeling the Decepticon Spark that he's now using; which belonged to Jetfire? Wheelie did say Jetfire was something great in his time, or something like a legend? For a Decepticon warrior to be spoken of so fondly, Jetfire must have been a real bad ass to deserve such praise.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Flare wrote:Shadowman wrote:TheGrumble wrote:Sorry uys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!
I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.
It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.
Maybe Prime was just channeling the Decepticon Spark that he's now using; which belonged to Jetfire? Wheelie did say Jetfire was something great in his time, or something like a legend? For a Decepticon warrior to be spoken of so fondly, Jetfire must have been a real bad ass to deserve such praise.
Although, you can see Jetfire pull out his own Spark and drop it on the ground. That's actually not a bad theory at all.
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