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by **Siren Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:03 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:
And I'm not sure if it's been pointed out on this thread (if so then just let me remind everyone), but when they went down there to resurect Megatron, the "doctor bot" told them the he needed parts.
So they grabbed some hapless sucker Decepticon and tore him appart limb from limb.

Yeah.

"Kill ze littel one!!!"

And later

"We need ze brain!!!"

Was he supposed to be a tiny robotic Josef Mengele with that German accent?

LOL!! I don't know but he made me laugh.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:15 pm

Siren Prime wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Was he supposed to be a tiny robotic Josef Mengele with that German accent?

LOL!! I don't know but he made me laugh.

Yeah, me too. Especially those coke bottle granny glasses.

by **Siren Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:17 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Was he supposed to be a tiny robotic Josef Mengele with that German accent?

LOL!! I don't know but he made me laugh.

Yeah, me too. Especially those coke bottle granny glasses.

HAHAHA!!
Jeez, it was like a Decepticon Dr. Frankenstien...

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:19 pm

Siren Prime wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Was he supposed to be a tiny robotic Josef Mengele with that German accent?

LOL!! I don't know but he made me laugh.

Yeah, me too. Especially those coke bottle granny glasses.

HAHAHA!!
Jeez, it was like a Decepticon Dr. Frankenstien...

LOL, yeah. Why would an alien robotic scientist need Earth GLASSES?

This movie should win an Oscar for screenplay.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:47 pm

Siren Prime wrote:And I'm not sure if it's been pointed out on this thread (if so then just let me remind everyone), but when they went down there to resurect Megatron, the "doctor bot" told them the he needed parts.
So they grabbed some hapless sucker Decepticon and tore him appart limb from limb.

that would be Hightower who they killed.

by **Siren Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:50 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:And I'm not sure if it's been pointed out on this thread (if so then just let me remind everyone), but when they went down there to resurect Megatron, the "doctor bot" told them the he needed parts.
So they grabbed some hapless sucker Decepticon and tore him appart limb from limb.
that would be Hightower who they killed.

Ah. I was wondering.
Someone else said it was Scrapper.

News Credits: 5 · by **5150 Cruiser** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:13 pm

Siren Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:And I'm not sure if it's been pointed out on this thread (if so then just let me remind everyone), but when they went down there to resurect Megatron, the "doctor bot" told them the he needed parts.
So they grabbed some hapless sucker Decepticon and tore him appart limb from limb.
that would be Hightower who they killed.

Ah. I was wondering.
Someone else said it was Scrapper.

Are we sure it was Hightower? I don't recall seeing a Crane on the cargo ship were the Constructicons jumped into the ocean. Though it would make sence that it was him since megatron had to get treads from somewhere. Though the only thing on the boat with threads was an Excavator. And i thought Hightower was a Crane.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:15 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:Though the only thing on the boat with threads was an Excavator. And i thought Hightower was a Crane.

Not true. Ravage crashed into Rampage's front plate when he landed on the ship. Rampage has treads. But I don't think it was Hightower, because he wasn't the "litte one." I think it was some nameless Constructiclone.

News Credits: 1 · by **T-Macksimus** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:06 pm

It would have been more of a fitting tribute had Brawls carcass been lying close at hand (which, by all rights, it should have been) and they had swiped the treads off of him.

As for the little whack-job Doctors coke-bottle glasses...I just figured "Where else was he going to put the lenses"?
I could just picture the little guy..." Fellow Decpticons, transfo *CRACK* ..aww son of a ..."
I think he was stuck with those lenses cause they sure weren't going to fold easy. :lol:

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:14 pm

T-Macksimus wrote:It would have been more of a fitting tribute had Brawls carcass been lying close at hand (which, by all rights, it should have been) and they had swiped the treads off of him.

Yeah, I didn't even think of that. That would have been perfect. Of course, it's been said the writers are idiots...

As for the little whack-job Doctors coke-bottle glasses...I just figured "Where else was he going to put the lenses"?
I could just picture the little guy..." Fellow Decpticons, transfo *CRACK* ..aww son of a ..."
I think he was stuck with those lenses cause they sure weren't going to fold easy.

Why did he have glasses to begin with? He didn't have to be a microscope. Perceptor is a microscope, he doesn't walk around like Drew Carey.

News Credits: 1 · by **T-Macksimus** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:50 pm

That style of scope was a lot more simplistic than Perceptor. His dual lenses were designed to allow for two different magnification factors without having to adjust the upper aperature. Very crude set-up. You get better designs in the science kits at Toys R Us but it worked splendidly for the Mad Doctor gimmick. He litterally had nowhere to put those lenses so he was stuck with it. I don't know where the little buggers cometary form originally crashed but it sure wasn't within spitting distance of a Radio Shack. 8-}

News Credits: 5 · by **5150 Cruiser** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:07 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Not true. Ravage crashed into Rampage's front plate when he landed on the ship. Rampage has treads. But I don't think it was Hightower, because he wasn't the "litte one." I think it was some nameless Constructiclone.

Ahh. True, true. But i knew it wasn't him cause they showed him there while Megs was being resurrected. It must have been that Excavator, cause it did have a cons symbol on it and the arm did start to move.

..Bt thinking back when someone said it was Scraper...
I do remember a the leg being ripped off looking like Scrapers leg,..
But then you see treads being moved over to Megs. Could have been an editing error maybe? Or maybe I'm just looking way to far into this.

T-Macksimus wrote:It would have been more of a fitting tribute had Brawls carcass been lying close at hand (which, by all rights, it should have been) and they had swiped the treads off of him.

This would have made perfect sense. Though i remember read in an interview (before the movie was out) with someone who worked on the movie explaining why they didn't use Brawl. I don't remember the reason., but i do remember it was lame. :shock:

News Credits: 1 · by **T-Macksimus** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:18 pm

You know, it could have been a brief tribute/nod to Star Trek. I don't remember but was the decpticon wearing a red shirt?

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:27 pm

T-Macksimus wrote:You know, it could have been a brief tribute/nod to Star Trek. I don't remember but was the decpticon wearing a red shirt?

...I don't get that...I know the red shirt, it's their training uniform, right? But I don't get it...

News Credits: 1 · by **T-Macksimus** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:04 am

Sorry, showing my age again. In the original, late 60's Star Trek there was almost always one "Disposable" ensign who went down to a planets surface on an away mission. That ensign, 99% of the time was wearing a red shirt and was the first to die, disappear or suffer some ghastly fate. After the first few times it became the running gag of the series and everyone knew that if a "Red Shirt" (aside from Scotty) went down to the planet he was going to be the first to die.

Damn, I must be getting old...

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:29 am

T-Macksimus wrote:Sorry, showing my age again. In the original, late 60's Star Trek there was almost always one "Disposable" ensign who went down to a planets surface on an away mission. That ensign, 99% of the time was wearing a red shirt and was the first to die, disappear or suffer some ghastly fate. After the first few times it became the running gag of the series and everyone knew that if a "Red Shirt" (aside from Scotty) went down to the planet he was going to be the first to die.

Damn, I must be getting old...

You're not. They kept up that tradition with the new Star Trek movie. When Kirk, Sulu, and some redshirt named Olsen went down onto the drill the Romulans were using, guess which of the three died: Olsen.

As for who was one the cargo shipbeofre they went down for Megs, on the ship was Long Haul, Rampage (red), Mixmaster, and Hightower (along with Ravage). Of those four, we see the first three kill the fourth bot (Hightower) to use as spare parts to revive Megs.

And yes I know Scalpel says "Kill ze little one!", but remember, as we've seen with Hightwoers EZ figure, his robot mode is quite short in height, compared to the other C-cons.

by **TattedPitbull** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:45 am

zwann wrote:Okay, I know how you guys loved brutal action fights. More robot brawl, more robot vs robot brutality. That's what most of you guys looked forward to this movie, but guys...don't you think the brutality coming out of the Autobots are WAY too much?

Here's are a few cold hearted and Mortal Kombat FATALITY moments:-

1) Sideswipe slicing Sideways into 2. Note that he was in vehicle mode, which is practically makes him unarmed.
2) Optimus shooting a wounded Decepticon straight in the face. "Any last words?"
3) Optimus ripping Blackout's clone face to half.
4) Bumblebee ripping the spine while tearing the metal skin off Ravage.
5) Scorponok crushed to half by Jetfire.
6) Mixmaster brutally murdered by Jetfire.
7) Optimus ripping The Fallen's face.

There are several more...

Now don't get me wrong. I enjoy robot violence. The smashing, the crushing, the ripping. But surely do not enjoy seeing them coming from the good guys...

I dare say 95% if not more, of the movie's robot VS robot violence came from the Autobots, the good guys. This doesn't make sense.

I wouldn't mind a bit seeing Megatron, Starscream, or any Decepticon ripping any of the Autobots inside out, spilling their intestines, because its their nature, they....are...EVIL!

But seeing this from the Autobots, especially Optimus, after giving lecture to humans, "How our ways of solving things, let to destruction..". Have he seen the destruction he did to his Transformers brothers?

I was shocked seeing the part where the wounded Demolishor was shot by Optimus. That time, I thoughht some Sector 7 guys(which I forgotten, was no more) would cyro-freeze him and him somewhere. That would be less violent way to handle things.

I mean could they(Micheal Bay and crew) make the Autobots defeat the Decepticons in a less barbaric manner. Like how Bumblebee killed Brawl in TF1. Several shots and dead.

The Autobots are too hostile in this movie. The way Optimus asked "What if we leave..and you're wrong?" It's threatning. A hostile response.

During the start of the movie "..hunt down way remains of the Decepticon army..". Well that's cruel. With their leader gone, you hunt them down like dogs, then kill them? It's like genocide. I felt sorry for the poor Decepticons.

Imagine if this movie is real. After seeing the slaughter done by the Autobots by your very eyes, would you still believe that you are actually protected by them?

i couldn't help but think the autobots were getting the message "we're tired of this s**t" across to the decepticons lol, dern autobots. DECEPTICON 4 LIFE!!!

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:03 am

MegatronsLady420 wrote:i couldn't help but think the autobots were getting the message "we're tired of this s**t" across to the decepticons lol, dern autobots. DECEPTICON 4 LIFE!!!

Or in this case, to the brutal, agonizing death. :twisted:

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:28 am

Sabrblade wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:Sorry, showing my age again. In the original, late 60's Star Trek there was almost always one "Disposable" ensign who went down to a planets surface on an away mission. That ensign, 99% of the time was wearing a red shirt and was the first to die, disappear or suffer some ghastly fate. After the first few times it became the running gag of the series and everyone knew that if a "Red Shirt" (aside from Scotty) went down to the planet he was going to be the first to die.

Damn, I must be getting old...
You're not. They kept up that tradition with the new Star Trek movie. When Kirk, Sulu, and some redshirt named Olsen went down onto the drill the Romulans were using, guess which of the three died: Olsen.

Olsen, I think, was Chief Engineer, which makes sense, since red shirts usually signify Engineering.

by **Lastjustice** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:12 pm

I think they ripped apart the smaller constructicon to show their brutuality rather than just use the existing parts from any of the first movies cons who likely were dumped near by. I was assuming they d used the parts for Brawl since Megatron had a tank form now, but doesnt seem be the case heh.

Why would you have any mercy for a race who d easily scrap one of their own out of conveniece? I wouldnt, I was once a soldier, and understand the mind set of you have respond with force during a war. A race who just assume blot out our sun gets whatever it gets when they come to my planet.

As far as megatron not being wrecked, obviously we wanted him return in the sequel right? I'll overlook their dumping his body in the ocean bit. Aside from the loudmouth Galloway the cons likely would never found him or the wrecked decepticons there. Why Megtron survived the fight, we didnt want to see him scrapped again.For a sec like awww crap he slagged megas again...then I laughed he yelled out to starsceam for help. Like Starscream is going help you out haha. Im fine with that as the bad guys trinity survived.

I agree "You picked the wrong planet and the wrong prime!" would been a better line. But I supposed prime was ticked off. I would liked seen the Fallen fought alittle longer, like he tried tossing crap at prime with his cosmic power, but oh well.

by **Siren Prime** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:42 pm

Lastjustice wrote:Why would you have any mercy for a race who d easily scrap one of their own out of conveniece? I wouldnt, I was once a soldier, and understand the mind set of you have respond with force during a war. A race who just assume blot out our sun gets whatever it gets when they come to my planet.

Exactly.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:38 am

I just thought of this today, but if TF3 is made, 2 characters we haven't seen yet are Grimlock and Shockwave. both were more ruthless than most on their respective sides. i wonder if they make them completely unstoppable in the movie. I hope so. Grimlock needs to be his unstoppable War Within version, and Shockwave could use a lot of his G1 comics personality. You know, the one that kicked the crap out of both Megatron and Scorponok.

by **VonSchlitzy** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:02 am

wow!!
not only was i NOT put off by the "barbaric cold-hearted autobots", but i enjoyed every last second of it!
i've been waiting 25 years to see the autobots really kick some ass!!

News Credits: 1 · by **T-Macksimus** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:59 am

While I know tht the majority of us are thinking "YES, It's about @3&$ time!" as far as the Autobots finally doing what needs to be done to win the war, has anyone thought about what imprewssion it made on the younger viewers? I know there was a rating on the movie and it warned about violence etc. etc. but I think we all saw that many parents failied to notice the rating and brought yougnsters anyway.
Kids don't rationalize things the same way we do. The same arguments we make either 'For' or 'Against' don't mean sh** to a nine year old. I'm not going to preach about this like someone lobbying for gun control. I think gun control means using both hands, I'm just throwing the concept out there of folks trying to wrap their brains around what happened the same way a child would.
Could you justify to a child the actions that occurred in such a way that you weren't promoting unnecessary violence or hateful emotions to that child? Could you still project their iconic hero in a favorable light?

Could you successfully tap-dance your way through a mine-field in the middle of the night and wake no-one up?

Just something to mull over...niether challenge is as easy as it sounds once you are put into the situation. B-)

News Credits: 1 · by **No Death for Prowl** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:22 pm

T-Macksimus wrote:While I know tht the majority of us are thinking "YES, It's about @3&$ time!" as far as the Autobots finally doing what needs to be done to win the war, has anyone thought about what imprewssion it made on the younger viewers? I know there was a rating on the movie and it warned about violence etc. etc. but I think we all saw that many parents failied to notice the rating and brought yougnsters anyway.
Kids don't rationalize things the same way we do. The same arguments we make either 'For' or 'Against' don't mean sh** to a nine year old. I'm not going to preach about this like someone lobbying for gun control. I think gun control means using both hands, I'm just throwing the concept out there of folks trying to wrap their brains around what happened the same way a child would.
Could you justify to a child the actions that occurred in such a way that you weren't promoting unnecessary violence or hateful emotions to that child? Could you still project their iconic hero in a favorable light?

Could you successfully tap-dance your way through a mine-field in the middle of the night and wake no-one up?

Just something to mull over...niether challenge is as easy as it sounds once you are put into the situation.

The concept of "Autobots" that I'm familiar with is generally peace-loving, compassionate beings who, despite not being warriors, have taken up arms against the Decepticons to protect life and freedom not for just themselves, but all beings.

There is something noble and heroic about beings who decide to fight even when their natural inclination and desire is not to do so.

I think this was truly put on display in the '86 movie when the Autobots were truly overpowered by the natural warrior nature of the 'Cons and many ended up sacrificing themselves despite the odds being against them from the start.

In the 2 recent films, what I'm seeing is 2 sides that are pretty evenly matched(especially with the human factor on the side of the Autobots) and both with a lust for warfare and killing each other.

Granted, individual 'Cons may be more powerful than their Autobot counterparts and their collective desire to rule the universe won't find many sympathizers, but when the level of casualties from both sides is weighed, the clear advantage goes to the Autobots as warriors.

There's something a bit unsettling about that, as if good vs. evil as been replaced by 2 warring politcal parties who just want to crush the opposition since they don't share the same political/philosophical views.

That's not to say I haven't found a certain level of joy in watching Prime take on 3 Decepticons in a forest at one time, but the fact that I was sorry to see the likes of Scornopok, Bonecrusher, and Ravage die while feeling indifferent about the deaths of Jazz or Jetfire only reinforces my gut feeling.