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Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Lastjustice » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:17 pm

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While I know tht the majority of us are thinking "YES, It's about @3&$ time!" as far as the Autobots finally doing what needs to be done to win the war, has anyone thought about what imprewssion it made on the younger viewers? I know there was a rating on the movie and it warned about violence etc. etc. but I think we all saw that many parents failied to notice the rating and brought yougnsters anyway.


Well I knew fully well it was going be a bit violent, but they were all robot deaths. Which if you watched any cartoon before, its ok rip a robot to pieces , as in Xmen, wolverine tackles all the humans, moment a sentinel comes on screen hes taking it apart like a chop shop.

Any parents who didnt realize what PG-13 meant well that have only themselves to blame. Especially with there being a movie before this. Prime beheaded Bonecrusher in that one. Rachet sliced off Brawls hand. Jazz got torn in half. Bumble bee and Barricade knocked the crap out of each other, which he left Barricade a broken mess. Really the autobots didnt do much worse than what happened in the first film. Just they did more of the killing the human airstrike to make it more noticeable. (majority of the Cons died by humans.)

Honestly Star wars showed far worse things, since they had storm troopers being gunned down left and right by the heroes. They blow up an entire planet of people. The light saber wielders hack off limbs of humanoids with trails of blood.Darth Maul gets cut in half down the middle. Anakin slays entire villages and children. (mostly off screen but the idea is there.) Which most parents left their kids watch star wars with out a second thought. The violence in transformers really is about the same. I feel Star wars got the pass since PG-13 didnt exist when it first came out, and later when it got rereleased, it got the pass since it was PG before. Revenge of the Sith probably only one that got an honest rating.

As far as Transformers goes, they wrecked each other plenty of times over the years. The same lvl of violence was there, just the consequences of it wasnt most of the time. Hound got blown up by lazerbeak in the first episode, he was just put back together. Blitzwing crushed several autobots in his tank mode in triple takeover. They all manage live despite being damaged waaay worse than the 86 movie.

Which characters often missed as they couldnt hit the broadside of Broadside. (the aircraft carrier hehe.) So mixing the forumla of 80s saturday magic, most attacks miss, and they get repaired from all the damage they take, no one ever seems to die.(GI Joe was a worse offender of not showing the harm of combat as everyone always bailed out of their vechiles like they had freaking spider sense of incoming missiles heh, but refused move their tanks instead. Why they decided to kill Duke in the Movie first to show people die in war, which lead to Prime dying.) As the only deaths before the 86 film were Alpha Trion (he merged with Vector Sigma) and 3 unknown seekers who were buried alive during one of the early episodes.(who could of techinally survived.)

Later they started putting some of the consequences into things, as obviously the 86 film did. Which I think was far more harmful than this film since no one saw it coming.(On top of they swore twice which had some parents up in arms.) It really should been PG-13 but since it was animated violence it got the pass despite being too dark for most of the intented audience. I didnt see a theather of crying kids during revenge of the fallen(heh not that I didnt want too..they killed Prime those bastards...), as people knew it was war and this things could happen. Plus I think Prime dying kind of one of those things we all know happens by now.

Other series have death tolls in them as well, as beast wars had its share of brutuality. Again majority of the time it played by the saturday morning cartoon rules, everyone got put back together after the fact, but it still did alot of damage to characters. (like waspinator.) Silverbolt goes to impale Tyrantulas in another episode.(rampage stopped him but he was consumed with raged despite being one of the most honorable characters.) Dinobot basically smashes everyone in his way in code of hero. (which primes forest battle felt like that moment.) Depthcharge rams an energon weapon into rampages heart and kills them both. Tigerhawk dies in a fight against the nemesis. Tartulas gets blown to million pieces.

To say Transformers was all warm and cuddly prior to the movie was a largely incorrect. Even Animated had limbs getting blown off here and there. They had a body count even along the way. Not huge, but there was some. So really you think anyone whos watched a bunch of transformers hasnt seen this sort of thing. Or sci fi or comic movies as they all have simliar lvls of violence, often with people instead of robots.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby T-Macksimus » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:47 pm

The outwardly apparent violence isn't the aspect that is bothering folks or what needs to be looked at in regards to kids or sensitve fans. It's the intent, the undertone. The spirit in which the act took place. Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot. Point blank to the head. It wasn't a battle sequence or anything like that. The fight was very clearly over.
That's the aspect that has some people complaining. They are wondering how that is justified as being a part of the Autobots way. That and the brutal dismemberment of Ravage raised a few eyebrows as well. It made MY jaw drop.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Lastjustice » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:06 pm

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Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot.


well I dont happen recall Demolisher begging for mercy when prime said any last words. He basically was like Screw you Prime, the fallen will come kick your aft. Then Prime shot him. He had a chance to speak, and all he could say was a threat. (which if Demolisher kept his mouth shut there'd been no warning.) I mean what were they supposed to do with him? He killed a bunch of soldiers with no remorse, and asked for no quarter. Death was the only good solution.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby zwann » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:24 am

Lastjustice wrote:
Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot.


well I dont happen recall Demolisher begging for mercy when prime said any last words. He basically was like Screw you Prime, the fallen will come kick your aft. Then Prime shot him. He had a chance to speak, and all he could say was a threat. (which if Demolisher kept his mouth shut there'd been no warning.) I mean what were they supposed to do with him? He killed a bunch of soldiers with no remorse, and asked for no quarter. Death was the only good solution.


Imagine you guys were in a war. Just because of your ethnic and race, you were hunt down like a dog. You have an AK47 in your hands, and in front of you are soldiers that seek nothing but your demise. Won't you kill of of them for your survival?

As far as begging go...when civilians were killed back in war, and one of their relatives were pointed a gun...if it were you, would you go "Please, have mercy...!!" or "You bastard!! You will all die!!"

OK...I seriously think people LARGELY misunderstood what this topic is all about. It's not about Autobots killing their enemies. It is HOW they killed them.

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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Counterpunch » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:34 am

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zwann wrote:You can't win a war without casualties. But you can win a war without skinning your enemies alive.


They shot and stabbed their enemies.

You'd prehaps prefer they pushed them out of windows?
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby GrumbleBot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:04 am

Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Counterpunch » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:47 am

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TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.



He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.

He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.

He killed the Fallen.


When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:34 am

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Counterpunch wrote:
TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.



He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.

He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.

He killed the Fallen.


When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.

Prime has a head fetish or something.

"I WANT YOUR FACE!" Should be a meme.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Counterpunch » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:57 am

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Counterpunch wrote:
TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.



He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.

He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.

He killed the Fallen.


When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.

Prime has a head fetish or something.

"I WANT YOUR FACE!" Should be a meme.


While I am compelled to make a joke about head...

It seems Prime paid attention in school because the Transformers HE kills, stay dead.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Dead Metal » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:48 am

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Dead Metal wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
TheGrumble wrote:Got to say I agree with the OP, I did find it shocking at points how remorselessly violent the 'Bots were, especially Prime! I mean he really seemed to be enjoying it and getting cocky at points. Even in the ROTF video game he has lines like "I take no pleasure in your death" after taking out drones, and G1 Prime was always letting his compassion get the best of him... he'd have never have died in the animated movie if he hadn't paused when Megatron begged for mercy. New Prime wouldn't even have given him time to beg, he'd have just shot his face clean off while delivering an Arnie-esque one liner.



He killed Demolisher. Demolisher was in the process of destroying Shanghai.

He killed Grindor in the middle of a 3 on 1 fight.

He killed the Fallen.


When did he seem to be enjoying any of this? He has one line, "Any last words Decepticon?", otherwise, he's getting his ass kicked for the sake of one human and/or the rest of humanity.

Prime has a head fetish or something.

"I WANT YOUR FACE!" Should be a meme.


While I am compelled to make a joke about head...

It seems Prime paid attention in school because the Transformers HE kills, stay dead.

Well Prime won't wait till someone gives him head - he just takes it! :P
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Counterpunch » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:25 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Well Prime won't wait till someone gives him head - he just takes it! :P


This is noted for its large amounts of great justice. :APPLAUSE:

Back on the topic of how some people would prefer to be wiped out at the hands of interplanitary invaders who seek to drain our planet and crush our charred remains.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby GrumbleBot » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:05 am

Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!

I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:17 am

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TheGrumble wrote:Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!

I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.


It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Obiprime » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:35 pm

The Autobots and Decepticons have been at WAR for a Millenia. The Autobots are Warriors First. Do not let Prime Nobleness Mislead you.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby T-Macksimus » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:51 pm

Obiprime wrote:The Autobots and Decepticons have been at WAR for a Millenia. The Autobots are Warriors First. Do not let Prime Nobleness Mislead you.


Exactly! You can only fight for so long before you finally have had enough. Like Prime said in '86.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:55 pm

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T-Macksimus wrote: You can only fight for so long before you finally have had enough. Like Prime said in '86.
"Megatron Must Be Stopped...No Matter The Cost!"


Yeah...and to quote Simmons...

"NBE 1 is still kicking."

So maybe Prime isn't as great a warrior as we all give him credit for. He's been trying for 23 years to kill Megatron. :P But RoTF certainly does raise Prime's badass level to new heights.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:10 pm

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Obiprime wrote:The Autobots and Decepticons have been at WAR for a Millenia. The Autobots are Warriors First. Do not let Prime Nobleness Mislead you.

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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Prime Riblet » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:34 pm

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I loved every second that Optimus was on the screen. I was so glad he wasn't playing patty-cake again like he did during his 07 movie fight with Megatron. He really showed how much of a bad-ass he was. He didn't talk a bunch of crap or anything. He just efficiently killed and kicked ass. So cool. So awesome. :D
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:31 pm

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Prime Riblet wrote:I loved every second that Optimus was on the screen. I was so glad he wasn't playing patty-cake again like he did during his 07 movie fight with Megatron. He really showed how much of a bad-ass he was. He didn't talk a bunch of crap or anything. He just efficiently killed and kicked ass. So cool. So awesome. :D


Exactly! I don't care if Prime has always showed some kind of compassion in G1 or the other series. This is the Prime that should have been!
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Prime Riblet » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:33 am

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5150 Cruiser wrote:
Prime Riblet wrote:I loved every second that Optimus was on the screen. I was so glad he wasn't playing patty-cake again like he did during his 07 movie fight with Megatron. He really showed how much of a bad-ass he was. He didn't talk a bunch of crap or anything. He just efficiently killed and kicked ass. So cool. So awesome. :D


Exactly! I don't care if Prime has always showed some kind of compassion in G1 or the other series. This is the Prime that should have been!


Exactly my opinion, 5150. I think everyone knows how much of a bad-ass Prime is SUPPOSED to be, but he has always been able to maintain the peace without having to actually kill the enemy. This movie shows that he has accepted the fact that Megatron and the Decepticons WILL kill everything in their way to reach their goal, so he must also accept the fact that he cannot use reason with Megatron in order to reach a peaceful end. He has no choice but to stand and fight.

To me, this movie actually shows that Optimus was restrained in the 07 movie-the whole time OP amd Megs were fighting, Prime was trying to get Megatron to understand that Earth and it's beings were not part of their war and that humans should have their own chance to live life. He was trying to reason with Megatron.

This time around, he knows there will be no reasoning with the Decepticons. In order to protect the Earthlings (human and otherwise) he reluctantly has decided to use his full fighting abilities and power, because he knows it's what must be done. And that is what he did. I and glad he did. :D
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

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Lastjustice wrote: Well I knew fully well it was going be a bit violent, but they were all robot deaths.
That's not true at all. There were many humans killed in both TF1 and Rotf. Even one impaled by Scorponok? Remember that in the first movie? In both movies many humans were killed during the fighting scenes. Sure they don't show human body parts or serious bodily wounds on human, but they were human characters being killed.

T-Macksimus wrote:The outwardly apparent violence isn't the aspect that is bothering folks or what needs to be looked at in regards to kids or sensitve fans. It's the intent, the undertone. The spirit in which the act took place. Yeah, war is war with these guys. But even with the 1986 movie Prime had Megatron 'dead to rites' and could have ended everything. One shot to the head and Done but he didn't. RotF he was presented with the same scenario, a fallen and unarmed opponent and Prime took the shot. Point blank to the head. It wasn't a battle sequence or anything like that. The fight was very clearly over.
That's the aspect that has some people complaining. They are wondering how that is justified as being a part of the Autobots way. That and the brutal dismemberment of Ravage raised a few eyebrows as well. It made MY jaw drop.

But it is a war that the Autobots continue to fight without giving in to defeat. And with war it comes down to kill or be killed. Sometimes two sides can come to some ceasefire treaty or agreement, however when dealing with absolute opposites (good vs. evil) there can never be an accord met or agreement found. There will always be friction. These live action movies are supposed to be more realistic, unlike the cartoons. But being able to revive or resurrect Transformers like in ROTF is just like coming out of a Stasis lock. Plus there wasn't a bad ending in TF2, just like in the first the Autobots have a victory. None of Sam's parents were killed and even Simmons didn't get his heroic death scene.

No Death for Prowl wrote:The concept of "Autobots" that I'm familiar with is generally peace-loving, compassionate beings who, despite not being warriors, have taken up arms against the Decepticons to protect life and freedom not for just themselves, but all beings.

There is something noble and heroic about beings who decide to fight even when their natural inclination and desire is not to do so.

I think this was truly put on display in the '86 movie when the Autobots were truly overpowered by the natural warrior nature of the 'Cons and many ended up sacrificing themselves despite the odds being against them from the start.


Thats very true, even Huffer said to Prime along time ago; "But we're not fighters like they are Prime!" (ep. 2 More than Meets the Eye part.2) Autobots were not created to be warriors like the Decepticons.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Flare » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:39 am

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TheGrumble wrote:Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!

I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.


It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.

Maybe Prime was just channeling the Decepticon Spark that he's now using; which belonged to Jetfire? Wheelie did say Jetfire was something great in his time, or something like a legend? For a Decepticon warrior to be spoken of so fondly, Jetfire must have been a real bad ass to deserve such praise. Image
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Shadowman » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:43 am

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TheGrumble wrote:Sorry guys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!

I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.


It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.

Maybe Prime was just channeling the Decepticon Spark that he's now using; which belonged to Jetfire? Wheelie did say Jetfire was something great in his time, or something like a legend? For a Decepticon warrior to be spoken of so fondly, Jetfire must have been a real bad ass to deserve such praise. Image


Although, you can see Jetfire pull out his own Spark and drop it on the ground. That's actually not a bad theory at all.
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby Flare » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:45 am

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Flare wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
TheGrumble wrote:Sorry uys I just re-watched it (in IMAX, dontchaknow) on Sunday and I'm pretty certain it was "Give Me Your Face". He didn't restrain him, didn't shoot him, he didn't beat him down, he TORE OFF HIS FACE before punching through his body and ripping out his heart!

I'm just saying, Optimus is a LOT more Terminator-esque than before.


It wasn't his heart, it was his Spark. He punched through the Fallen, grabbed his Spark, and then crushed it with one hand. That was the most bad-ass thing I've ever seen a Prime do.

Maybe Prime was just channeling the Decepticon Spark that he's now using; which belonged to Jetfire? Wheelie did say Jetfire was something great in his time, or something like a legend? For a Decepticon warrior to be spoken of so fondly, Jetfire must have been a real bad ass to deserve such praise. Image


Although, you can see Jetfire pull out his own Spark and drop it on the ground. That's actually not a bad theory at all.


When Jetfire offered up his own Spark to power up Prime followed by Prime merging with Jetfire's mechanized body, he was also merging with Jetfire's spirit/personality component. In a possessed state like situation, even humans can exhibit extra-ordinary strength, supernatural powers, skills as well as altered personality and behavior. It must have been the presence of Jetfire that kicked Megatron's ass so easily at the end and killed the Fallen so quickly. The ripping out of Fallen's spark is completely a Jetfire trait, recalling how Jetfire impulsively tore out his own Spark? He must have done this brutal act before on possibly others in his hay-day. Jetfire is remembered even by a modern day Decepticon like Wheelie because he was something very frightening that only a Decepticon could admire greatly.

So yeah I believe anything out of character that Optimus did at the end, may have been directly attributed to Jetfire (a Decepticon by nature). Now I wish we could have seen him fight more and maybe even been shown some of the battles he once fought to gain such a legendary status. "Only a Devil can fight a Devil." And I think that's how Fallen had to be taken down. Jetfire probably even surpassed Megatron in brute strength in his youth. Fallen, Megatron with Starscream were no match to a Prime/Jetfire merger. But of course this is pure speculation. I mean why else would any Decepticon be remembered unless he was something truly terrible to reckon with? Maybe that's why Prime threw off Jetfire's parts at the end? He didn't remove Jetfire's parts in a careful and respectfully manner. Nothing remotely thankful either... :?
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Re: Barbaric Cold-Hearted Autobots?

Postby T-Macksimus » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:39 pm

Why/how would Jetfires empty shell have any influence over Primes action? The whole spark core was removed entirely. At that point it would have been just a suit of armor for all intents and purposes. No spirit what with the spark basically lying on the ground. and I think the reason Prime shrugged the armor off rather uncermoniusly was because it was damaged, already missing sections entirely and was no longer really representative of Jetfire anyway. Just one persons opinion. I'm not ignoring the respect issue at all, just saying that in war, ceremony is sometimes left behind especially when someone is 'coming down' from an intense experience. You don't always think for the first little bit you just 'do'. Primes first instinct was probably to check on the well-being of his and Lennoxs combined forces and see to their needs, being the noble and self-less leader that he is.
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