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Mr.Bond007 wrote:

Barricade wrote:ok you made me go to my old user name now.... why do you think prime was so late to the final battle noob? you know what i'm not argueeing over this i'm just sticking with my previous post

ok noob guess what? we didn't see him die in the flic now did we? and alot of things are diff from the novel to movie so ur point is null and void. Until we see proof in the next movie, he's not dead. And why Prime was late could be exlpained, he and bones fell down quite a ways, so he would either a) climb back up and risk being discovered by more humans and/ or hurting humans, or b) having to drive back up the ramps.

ok so let me get this straight:
barricade dies in:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel
and just because they dont show him dying in the movie then that means he isn't dead.....

denile aint just a river in Egypt....

woot 2000th post

and like i said before the novel and other tf books have different parts as well. Also the movie didn't say barricade died either. Until it happens in a movie it's still unclear

Barricade wrote:

Mr.Bond007 wrote:

Barricade wrote:ok you made me go to my old user name now.... why do you think prime was so late to the final battle noob? you know what i'm not argueeing over this i'm just sticking with my previous post

ok noob guess what? we didn't see him die in the flic now did we? and alot of things are diff from the novel to movie so ur point is null and void. Until we see proof in the next movie, he's not dead. And why Prime was late could be exlpained, he and bones fell down quite a ways, so he would either a) climb back up and risk being discovered by more humans and/ or hurting humans, or b) having to drive back up the ramps.

ok so let me get this straight:
barricade dies in:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel
and just because they dont show him dying in the movie then that means he isn't dead.....

denile aint just a river in Egypt....

woot 2000th post

Well it wouldnt be the first time that something didnt happen in a movie that did happen in the:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel

The Star Wars and Star Trek movies alternitive media stories all differ from the theatatrical version.The same goes for the X-men films and the Batman films.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Barricade wrote:

Mr.Bond007 wrote:

Barricade wrote:ok you made me go to my old user name now.... why do you think prime was so late to the final battle noob? you know what i'm not argueeing over this i'm just sticking with my previous post

ok noob guess what? we didn't see him die in the flic now did we? and alot of things are diff from the novel to movie so ur point is null and void. Until we see proof in the next movie, he's not dead. And why Prime was late could be exlpained, he and bones fell down quite a ways, so he would either a) climb back up and risk being discovered by more humans and/ or hurting humans, or b) having to drive back up the ramps.

ok so let me get this straight:
barricade dies in:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel
and just because they dont show him dying in the movie then that means he isn't dead.....

denile aint just a river in Egypt....

woot 2000th post

Well it wouldnt be the first time that something didnt happen in a movie that did happen in the:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel

The Star Wars and Star Trek movies alternitive media stories all differ from the theatatrical version.The same goes for the X-men films and the Batman films.

stawars:
obiwan waskilled by vader in the:
1. comic
2. novel
3. EU novels
4. SW Ultimate guide

but in the movie he just disappears into thin air when hit by vader's light saber....

so does that mean he is dead....

YES!!!

is barricade dead....

YES!!!

Barricade wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Barricade wrote:

Mr.Bond007 wrote:

Barricade wrote:ok you made me go to my old user name now.... why do you think prime was so late to the final battle noob? you know what i'm not argueeing over this i'm just sticking with my previous post

ok noob guess what? we didn't see him die in the flic now did we? and alot of things are diff from the novel to movie so ur point is null and void. Until we see proof in the next movie, he's not dead. And why Prime was late could be exlpained, he and bones fell down quite a ways, so he would either a) climb back up and risk being discovered by more humans and/ or hurting humans, or b) having to drive back up the ramps.

ok so let me get this straight:
barricade dies in:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel
and just because they dont show him dying in the movie then that means he isn't dead.....

denile aint just a river in Egypt....

woot 2000th post

Well it wouldnt be the first time that something didnt happen in a movie that did happen in the:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel

The Star Wars and Star Trek movies alternitive media stories all differ from the theatatrical version.The same goes for the X-men films and the Batman films.

stawars:
obiwan waskilled by vader in the:
1. comic
2. novel
3. EU novels
4. SW Ultimate guide

but in the movie he just disappears into thin air when hit by vader's light saber....

so does that mean he is dead....

YES!!!

is barricade dead....

YES!!!

So you think that if you point out one of the smaller inconsistancies from the Star Wars novels, and show that the result is still the same that it will strengthen your argument in this case????

Well your your wrong if you think that exsample is really going to help you win this debate.

The novelization of Return of the Jedi states that that Owen Lars is the brother of Obi-Wan Kenobi, while in Attack of the Clones he is instead shown to be the step-brother of Anakin Skywalk.

Also later in the book the Obi-Wan [in spirt form] reveals that he was able to hide Luke and Leia from Anakin because he did not know that his wife was pregnant when he left and became Vader. In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin does know about Padmé's pregnancy.

The novel also states that Obi-Wan took Luke's mother and baby Leia to Alderaan after the birth of the twins witch we all know did not happen because she died in child birth in In Revenge of the Sith.

What does all this prove????

That the novelization versions of films can have a great many differences then the movies them selfs.....so untill we see other wise all we can do is assume that Barricade may be dead

And lets not even get into the differences between the Star Trek movies and their novels.

you dont even understand my point.....

Yes we do ur saying that because someone died the same way in most adapttations then that automatically means they die in all of em even though u have no proof that they did, yes sir we quite understood you.

Barricade wrote:you dont even understand my point.....

If I'm right your point is that since he died in every other outlet for the story, other then the film, that he is then dead in the film.

But what I [and others] have been trying to tell you is that those other outlets dont count for squat when it pretain to the film and any sequels that may come.

Like I said before there are many exsamples of novels, comics and otheo sources of movies having very different plot points from each other.

I'm not just talking about scenes that got left on the cutting room floor but totaly different story aspects.

If thats not your point please enlighten me.

Barricade wrote:

Mr.Bond007 wrote:

Barricade wrote:ok you made me go to my old user name now.... why do you think prime was so late to the final battle noob? you know what i'm not argueeing over this i'm just sticking with my previous post

ok noob guess what? we didn't see him die in the flic now did we? and alot of things are diff from the novel to movie so ur point is null and void. Until we see proof in the next movie, he's not dead. And why Prime was late could be exlpained, he and bones fell down quite a ways, so he would either a) climb back up and risk being discovered by more humans and/ or hurting humans, or b) having to drive back up the ramps.

ok so let me get this straight:
barricade dies in:
1. the novel
2. the comic
3. the leaked script
4. the coloring book
5. the short kids novel
and just because they dont show him dying in the movie then that means he isn't dead.....

I don't know about anyone else, but I find it very annoying if I indeed "have to" read novelization or a comic adaptation to know what happened to a character in a movie. Such things, in my opinion, should be shown on the screen.

and about Barricade's fate, I don't think we have any way to know for sure. He may have died, he may have lived. We didn't see it either way, so it's a mystery.

Barricade wrote:you dont even understand my point.....

No we understand your point well. What you dont understand is that you are wrong.

Sonray wrote:

Barricade wrote:you dont even understand my point.....

No we understand your point well. What you dont understand is that you are wrong.

I agree with Sonray (and the others). Just because he died in adaptations doesn't mean he died in the movie. There isn't conclusive proof in the movie that he lived but that doesn't prove that he died, either.

i figured out what happened to him...... he took a cue from G1 Prime's trailer

ok sonray so what you are saying is if he's in TF2 then he's alive but if he's not then he's dead.... but then tf2 will come out and you make an excuse that he is in hiding aand that he wil be in 3.... then 3 will come along and you'll say he's off recruiting other decepticons on earth.. and so on and so forth

so lets not say he is alive or dead lets just all agree he is "M.I.A."

He could still be alive.
Adaptions of movies are never cannon, just look at the Spider-Man movie games and comics and novels and the same with Peter Jacksons King Kong.
He may be dead in the adoptions, but still alive in the move continuity.

Barricade wrote:i figured out what happened to him...... he took a cue from G1 Prime's trailer

ok sonray so what you are saying is if he's in TF2 then he's alive but if he's not then he's dead.... but then tf2 will come out and you make an excuse that he is in hiding aand that he wil be in 3.... then 3 will come along and you'll say he's off recruiting other decepticons on earth.. and so on and so forth

so lets not say he is alive or dead lets just all agree he is "M.I.A."

fine by me that's what I wanted all along

Barricade wrote:i figured out what happened to him...... he took a cue from G1 Prime's trailer

ok sonray so what you are saying is if he's in TF2 then he's alive but if he's not then he's dead.... but then tf2 will come out and you make an excuse that he is in hiding aand that he wil be in 3.... then 3 will come along and you'll say he's off recruiting other decepticons on earth.. and so on and so forth

Thats the problem when they cut scenes from movies.You end up wondering wether or not the stuff in the script or novel ended up just happening off camera.

Like I said before to you there are plenty of things that were soposed to be showen in other movies but got left on the cutting room floor that officaly did happen in the novel but are then changed in any sequel's to the film...so unless Bay go's in record and says that Barricade is dead then any of the suggestions you placed above are possible.

Barricade wrote:so lets not say he is alive or dead lets just all agree he is "M.I.A."

Works for me.

Well its not that the scene was left on the cutting room floor...it simply wasnt shot. You think they are just going to waste a highly expensive CGI and highly choreographed action scene? Seriously....it simply never was shot, if it had been it would have been in the IMAX version of the film, or we would at least know of its existence.

Personally i think its just one of those things that will never get explained. I highly doubt he'll be in the sequel, just like scorponok wont be. Its just one of those plot holes that every movie has. It doesnt really serve any importance to the story, the general movie going audience (the target audience who these films are made for) wouldnt care or notice so we'll never know.

Sonray wrote:Well its not that the scene was left on the cutting room floor...it simply wasnt shot. You think they are just going to waste a highly expensive CGI and highly choreographed action scene? Seriously....it simply never was shot, if it had been it would have been in the IMAX version of the film, or we would at least know of its existence.

Personally i think its just one of those things that will never get explained. I highly doubt he'll be in the sequel, just like scorponok wont be. Its just one of those plot holes that every movie has. It doesnt really serve any importance to the story, the general movie going audience (the target audience who these films are made for) wouldnt care or notice so we'll never know.

I heard that some of the scene was shot but that they never added all the CGI effects to it because the movie was already running over budget.

If thats true....then most likly they may finish the scene and place it on the Transformers 1.5 special DVD that you just know they'll release a few weeks before TF 2 come's out.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sonray wrote:Well its not that the scene was left on the cutting room floor...it simply wasnt shot. You think they are just going to waste a highly expensive CGI and highly choreographed action scene? Seriously....it simply never was shot, if it had been it would have been in the IMAX version of the film, or we would at least know of its existence.

Personally i think its just one of those things that will never get explained. I highly doubt he'll be in the sequel, just like scorponok wont be. Its just one of those plot holes that every movie has. It doesnt really serve any importance to the story, the general movie going audience (the target audience who these films are made for) wouldnt care or notice so we'll never know.

I heard that some of the scene was shot but that they never added all the CGI effects to it because the movie was already running over budget.

If thats true....then most likly they may finish the scene and place it on the Transformers 1.5 special DVD that you just know they'll release a few weeks before TF 2 come's out.

Where'd you hear that they had shot some of the principal photography for the scene? In any case, it would have been a really short fight. TBH i think it would be rather stupid of Barricade to have thought he could take on Prime. I mean he made short work of Bonecrusher, why would Barricade think he even had a chance? With this in mind i think its best they either A: Didnt shoot the scene or B: Edited it out of the final cut.

I mean it would have served no purpose what so ever and would have lasted all of 5 seconds. This is why i think they never shot the scene to begin with, as it would have been a total waste of time and money.

Sonray wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sonray wrote:Well its not that the scene was left on the cutting room floor...it simply wasnt shot. You think they are just going to waste a highly expensive CGI and highly choreographed action scene? Seriously....it simply never was shot, if it had been it would have been in the IMAX version of the film, or we would at least know of its existence.

Personally i think its just one of those things that will never get explained. I highly doubt he'll be in the sequel, just like scorponok wont be. Its just one of those plot holes that every movie has. It doesnt really serve any importance to the story, the general movie going audience (the target audience who these films are made for) wouldnt care or notice so we'll never know.

I heard that some of the scene was shot but that they never added all the CGI effects to it because the movie was already running over budget.

If thats true....then most likly they may finish the scene and place it on the Transformers 1.5 special DVD that you just know they'll release a few weeks before TF 2 come's out.

Where'd you hear that they had shot some of the principal photography for the scene? In any case, it would have been a really short fight. TBH i think it would be rather stupid of Barricade to have thought he could take on Prime. I mean he made short work of Bonecrusher, why would Barricade think he even had a chance? With this in mind i think its best they either A: Didnt shoot the scene or B: Edited it out of the final cut.

I mean it would have served no purpose what so ever and would have lasted all of 5 seconds. This is why i think they never shot the scene to begin with, as it would have been a total waste of time and money.

It was in a interview with Bay when he was being asked what we might see if and when the movie went to I-max.The quistion was asked about the Prime Barricade fight and his answer was something like "some of those scenes were shot but not finished so you never know".

I really dont know how I came across the interview online of if it was on tv.I wish I could remember more about it so that I could try to find it and post it but I'm sorry.

Barricade=M.I.A.
*bangs mallet on court room stand*
cue cort music <da da dum spish da da daa daa spish da da daa daa spish>

Next case

Reporter: Barricade how do you feel about this?
Barricade: Ok, it's a good descion.
Reporter: Any other thoughts?
Barricade: Decepticons punish and enslave!!

Personly I dont see what anybody saw in his character in the first place and why anybody would really care if he were dead or alive.

He got his @$$ handed to him by Bumblebee in a hand to hand fight for crying out loud.How much of a "Bad @$$" could he really have been???????

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Personly I dont see what anybody saw in his character in the first place and why anybody would really care if he were dead or alive.

He got his @$$ handed to him by Bumblebee in a hand to hand fight for crying out loud.How much of a "Bad @$$" could he really have been???????

It wasn't on screen, so you don't know it was a "@$$" beating. Looked like a pretty even fight before Bay directed our attention to the less interesting Frenzy/Sam scuffle. For all we know, Barricade was about to deliver the death-blow to BB before he tripped on his weird spikey mace thing and was knocked unconscious. BB then was given credit, because he couldn't talk to explain that he almost got tore up, so he changed the subject by getting Sam and Mikaela in the car and running away quickly, then changing his alt mode so Barricade couldn't find him and beat him again.

See? Barricade rules!

But no, he didn't die. Luckily, he may be back for round 2, well round 3, since he kinda wussed out of round 2 in Mission City.

By the way, 'Barricade' - your logic is flawed, and you argue your points as well as my 4 year old argues that it's not bedtime. The result is the same too. You act like a child and you're still wrong. And your Obi-Wan analogy is completely rediculous by the way, unless of course Barricade's illuminated spirit comes back in the next 2 movies and guides Starscream along his quest. No offense.

TheStarScreamer wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Personly I dont see what anybody saw in his character in the first place and why anybody would really care if he were dead or alive.

He got his @$$ handed to him by Bumblebee in a hand to hand fight for crying out loud.How much of a "Bad @$$" could he really have been???????

It wasn't on screen, so you don't know it was a "@$$" beating. Looked like a pretty even fight before Bay directed our attention to the less interesting Frenzy/Sam scuffle. For all we know, Barricade was about to deliver the death-blow to BB before he tripped on his weird spikey mace thing and was knocked unconscious. BB then was given credit, because he couldn't talk to explain that he almost got tore up, so he changed the subject by getting Sam and Mikaela in the car and running away quickly, then changing his alt mode so Barricade couldn't find him and beat him again.

See? Barricade rules!

But no, he didn't die. Luckily, he may be back for round 2, well round 3, since he kinda wussed out of round 2 in Mission City.

Thats wishful thinking for the Barricade fanboys [and girls] and even if it lookedlike a pretty even fight before Bay shifted scenes like you suggested, you just proved my point for me.

How weak a Decepticon he must have been to be the equal of one of the weakest Autobots of all time

And even if he lost like in your little fantazy...then how stupid and incompedent a warrior he must have been to underestimat his enemy.

No matter how you look at it only one robot walked away [or rolled] after the fight and the other needed repairs.

Barricade got his nuts and bolts kicked.

The End

No fantasy. I just see the movie how it is. (I was mocking the entire thread in my little theory by the way - Barricade tripping and hurting himself is just as believable as him dying, since neither were shown on screen or even implied).

If they had never shown Barricade on the highway to Mission City, I would buy the "he is dead" story, but he was last seen alive, so that's that.

This is worse than when people tried to say that Mace Windu survived being heavily electricuted and then thrown out of a window into the rain in the dark falling for hundreds of stories with one arm. He's dead.

Adversely, Barricade was NOT last shown dying, falling, nor even fighting in the film. There's a thin line between canon and non-canon. As far as the film canon goes, which is all this subject is of consequence to, Barricade isn't dead.

No fantasy. I just see the movie how it is. (I was mocking the entire thread in my little theory by the way - Barricade tripping and hurting himself is just as believable as him dying, since neither were shown on screen or even implied).

If they had never shown Barricade on the highway to Mission City, I would buy the "he is dead" story, but he was last seen alive, so that's that.

This is worse than when people tried to say that Mace Windu survived being heavily electricuted and then thrown out of a window into the rain in the dark falling for hundreds of stories with one arm. He's dead.

Adversely, Barricade was NOT last shown dying, falling, nor even fighting in the film. There's a thin line between canon and non-canon. As far as the film canon goes, which is all this subject is of consequence to, Barricade isn't dead.