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TheStarScreamer wrote:No fantasy. I just see the movie how it is. (I was mocking the entire thread in my little theory by the way - Barricade tripping and hurting himself is just as believable as him dying, since neither were shown on screen or even implied).

I knew you were joking [at least a little] but I see it for what it was too.As far as I'm conserend he lived trew the movie.

And got his @$$ beat by Bumblebee poor guy.

TheStarScreamer wrote:If they had never shown Barricade on the highway to Mission City, I would buy the "he is dead" story, but he was last seen alive, so that's that.

Agreed.

TheStarScreamer wrote:This is worse than when people tried to say that Mace Windu survived being heavily electricuted and then thrown out of a window into the rain in the dark falling for hundreds of stories with one arm. He's dead.

I never thought much of that debate.Lets face it...he could have survived, I dont think he did but lets face it...its a movie, anything is possible in the movies.

What I found more interesting was all the guys that would debate on wether Mace Windu really had a chance at winning that fight.

Its not hard to see that Palpetine was bideing his time just waiting for Anikin to show up.

TheStarScreamer wrote:Adversely, Barricade was NOT last shown dying, falling, nor even fighting in the film. There's a thin line between canon and non-canon. As far as the film canon goes, which is all this subject is of consequence to, Barricade isn't dead.

Again agreed.

The few of you who know me as MisterKenobi on other Star Wars toys forums probably are familiar with my passion for keeping film canon separate from novels and comics. Different writers, styles, and ideas that don't always match up to the 'big one', in this case the film have no bearing on the canon of it.

Everyone's entitled to believe what they want. Clearly Bay wanted to kill Barricade with Bonecrusher, but decided not to show or imply a death to leave him the freedom to decide Barricade's possible return.

It really boils down to film making 101 - Film is visual story telling, and anything not shown visually is left to the viewer to decide.

Aside from all this, Barricade's transformers.wikia.org page says:
"Writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have stated in a recent interview that Barricade's disappearance from the remainder of the film is a "thread for Movie 2".

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

TheStarScreamer wrote:This is worse than when people tried to say that Mace Windu survived being heavily electricuted and then thrown out of a window into the rain in the dark falling for hundreds of stories with one arm. He's dead.

I never thought much of that debate.Lets face it...he could have survived, I dont think he did but lets face it...its a movie, anything is possible in the movies.

What I found more interesting was all the guys that would debate on wether Mace Windu really had a chance at winning that fight.

Its not hard to see that Palpetine was bideing his time just waiting for Anikin to show up.

Nice to see that as least someone else here can differentiate between the film-making methods of leaving the fate a mystery unsolved (Barricade), or implying that something not necessarily on screen happened, the case with (windu).

To put in simpler terms taking only film canon into account, Whether or not Barricade is dead is an unsolved mystery because he was not shown dying, fighting, or seen dead. He was there and then he wansn't. Maybe he stopped for gas. But there were no *ZERO* implications that he died at any point in the film.

Compare to Mace Windu, who was disarmed from a fight (with Sidious, who murdered 3 of Mace's best collegues in about 7 seconds in a 4on 1 battle) and exhausted, the gets Intensely electrified to the point where Palps skin begins to melt off his face, and dismembered before being sent flying out into the darkness still sparking and sceaming.
THAT*** is an implied death.

TheStarScreamer wrote:The few of you who know me as MisterKenobi on other Star Wars toys forums probably are familiar with my passion for keeping film canon separate from novels and comics. Different writers, styles, and ideas that don't always match up to the 'big one', in this case the film have no bearing on the canon of it.

Everyone's entitled to believe what they want. Clearly Bay wanted to kill Barricade with Bonecrusher, but decided not to show or imply a death to leave him the freedom to decide Barricade's possible return.

It really boils down to film making 101 - Film is visual story telling, and anything not shown visually is left to the viewer to decide.

Aside from all this, Barricade's transformers.wikia.org page says:
"Writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have stated in a recent interview that Barricade's disappearance from the remainder of the film is a "thread for Movie 2".

Looks like I'm not the only one here who took a film writting class in his [or her] life time.

TheStarScreamer wrote:
Nice to see that as least someone else here can differentiate between the film-making methods of leaving the fate a mystery unsolved (Barricade), or implying that something not necessarily on screen happened, the case with (windu).

I'll take that as a compliment.

TheStarScreamer wrote:To put in simpler terms taking only film canon into account, Whether or not Barricade is dead is an unsolved mystery because he was not shown dying, fighting, or seen dead. He was there and then he wansn't. Maybe he stopped for gas. But there were no *ZERO* implications that he died at any point in the film.

He could have gotten a flat tire too

TheStarScreamer wrote:Compare to Mace Windu, who was disarmed from a fight (with Sidious, who murdered 3 of Mace's best collegues in about 7 seconds in a 4on 1 battle) and exhausted, the gets Intensely electrified to the point where Palps skin begins to melt off his face, and dismembered before being sent flying out into the darkness still sparking and sceaming.
THAT*** is an implied death.

An other point to mention is that it has always been said Ben and Yoda were the last of the Jedi after the clone wars.Why anybody would assume that Lucus would change that fact of the serries is beyond me.Thinking that Mace was still alive would only undermine Lukes importance in episodes 4,5 and 6.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

TheStarScreamer wrote:
Nice to see that as least someone else here can differentiate between the film-making methods of leaving the fate a mystery unsolved (Barricade), or implying that something not necessarily on screen happened, the case with (windu).

I'll take that as a compliment.[/quote}

It was.

sto_vo_kor_2000, erm...BB wasnt by any means the weakest Autobot...maybe in the cartoon yeah but in the movie he is just 100% pure badass.

Thats why i prefer the movie BB character design and new attitude. They took the weakest, cutest mini bot from G1 and turned him into a proper warrior/tough bot.

Im not surprised Barricade got owned by him, although im sure if they had a drag race with BB in his old Camaro mode Barricade would have owned him, it looked like the stunt driver had to hold back a lot in that car chase with the old Camaro. lol

Sonray wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000, erm...BB wasnt by any means the weakest Autobot...maybe in the cartoon yeah but in the movie he is just 100% pure badass.

Thats why i prefer the movie BB character design and new attitude. They took the weakest, cutest mini bot from G1 and turned him into a proper warrior/tough bot.

Im not surprised Barricade got owned by him, although im sure if they had a drag race with BB in his old Camaro mode Barricade would have owned him, it looked like the stunt driver had to hold back a lot in that car chase with the old Camaro. lol

Well I did say BB was "ONE" of the weekest Autobots of all time not "the" weekest but I would still say the he was the weekest of the Autobots that we saw in this movie.

And being week really does not take away from being a badass....in my opinion it only strenghtens the sentiment.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sonray wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000, erm...BB wasnt by any means the weakest Autobot...maybe in the cartoon yeah but in the movie he is just 100% pure badass.

Thats why i prefer the movie BB character design and new attitude. They took the weakest, cutest mini bot from G1 and turned him into a proper warrior/tough bot.

Im not surprised Barricade got owned by him, although im sure if they had a drag race with BB in his old Camaro mode Barricade would have owned him, it looked like the stunt driver had to hold back a lot in that car chase with the old Camaro. lol

Well I did say BB was "ONE" of the weekest Autobots of all time not "the" weekest but I would still say the he was the weekest of the Autobots that we saw in this movie.

And being week really does not take away from being a badass....in my opinion it only strenghtens the sentiment.

Ah see....come to think of it i cant really decide who was the weakest in the movie....all of them kicked ass and took a beating, and just because Jazz died that doesnt make him the weakest, infact it makes him stronger in my eyes because of how he died so i really cant decide now....DAMMIT!

Scorponok was obviously the weakest 'con though.

Sonray wrote:
Scorponok was obviously the weakest 'con though.

Well we cant be too sure about that ether.........he took a good number of hits from those gun planes and we still dont know if he's dead.

Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

Frenzy15 wrote:

AutobotScream wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Thanks. I kept hearing that Starscream was the only Decepticon to survive.. but I guess those people weren't right at all.

And....Scorponok btw.

I'm assuming the gunships didn't actually kill him since he went underground after he lost his tail.

Yeah thats true Barricade, Scorponok and Starscream didn't die and for more proof of Starscream not dieing watch the credets.

I hope those TFs didn't die, I know I would like to at least see Barricade and Starscream in the sequel.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

but just like Chacky Chan (on crack) he found a way past there weapons (yeah I spellt it right for the first time! )!

I loved them all, I think Scorponok was the toughest, he held up to a lot of enemies, and may have survived!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

Ah! Yes, i agree, i forgot all about that little git.

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

but just like Chacky Chan (on crack) he found a way past there weapons (yeah I spellt it right for the first time! )!

I loved them all, I think Scorponok was the toughest, he held up to a lot of enemies, and may have survived!

He only held up to a squad of human soldiers with pea shooters, the only real damage he took was from the sabot rounds, the final blow was from the larger plane whose name i forget.

Sonray wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

Ah! Yes, i agree, i forgot all about that little git.

Try shotguns and a flamethrower.

TheStarScreamer wrote:

Sonray wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

Ah! Yes, i agree, i forgot all about that little git.

Try shotguns and a flamethrower.

Shotguns shmotguns...he got taken out by his own stupid ammo. He killed himself dude! What a moron....and thats what makes him the weakest. That and he turned into a stereo....i mean come on! How stupid and out dated and useless is that alt mode.....wait...

Sonray wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

but just like Chacky Chan (on crack) he found a way past there weapons (yeah I spellt it right for the first time! )!

I loved them all, I think Scorponok was the toughest, he held up to a lot of enemies, and may have survived!

He only held up to a squad of human soldiers with pea shooters, the only real damage he took was from the sabot rounds, the final blow was from the larger plane whose name i forget.

Yea it was a strange name, but Blackout took one shot of the same kind of amo to the groin and died of that!
Now that is weak, yea OK you wouldn't want to live without your groin anyway, but still.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

but just like Chacky Chan (on crack) he found a way past there weapons (yeah I spellt it right for the first time! )!

I loved them all, I think Scorponok was the toughest, he held up to a lot of enemies, and may have survived!

He only held up to a squad of human soldiers with pea shooters, the only real damage he took was from the sabot rounds, the final blow was from the larger plane whose name i forget.

Yea it was a strange name, but Blackout took one shot of the same kind of amo to the groin and died of that!
Now that is weak, yea OK you wouldn't want to live without your groin anyway, but still.

Actually thats not how he died. Blackout was taken out by the F-22's, the sabot round to the weak part under his chest was just the final blow.

Look more carefully and you will see the F-22's unleash hell on him. He took more damage from those and thats why he died.

The name of the plane you guys are thinking about is the AC-130 "Spooky" in real life, and "Strike Package Bravo" in the film. It's a military C-130 Hercules troop transport retrofitted into a heavily armed gunship.

TheStarScreamer wrote:The name of the plane you guys are thinking about is the AC-130 "Spooky" in real life, and "Strike Package Bravo" in the film. It's a military C-130 Hercules troop transport retrofitted into a heavily armed gunship.

Hercules thats right. I was gonna say Hercules too but i wasnt sure if the US military called them the same thing as they do over here.

Sonray wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Frenzy had to be the weekest con....a few humans with handgund and a flametrower held him back a while.

but just like Chacky Chan (on crack) he found a way past there weapons (yeah I spellt it right for the first time! )!

I loved them all, I think Scorponok was the toughest, he held up to a lot of enemies, and may have survived!

He only held up to a squad of human soldiers with pea shooters, the only real damage he took was from the sabot rounds, the final blow was from the larger plane whose name i forget.

Yea it was a strange name, but Blackout took one shot of the same kind of amo to the groin and died of that!
Now that is weak, yea OK you wouldn't want to live without your groin anyway, but still.

Actually thats not how he died. Blackout was taken out by the F-22's, the sabot round to the weak part under his chest was just the final blow.

Look more carefully and you will see the F-22's unleash hell on him. He took more damage from those and thats why he died.

Have to wait till i get the DVD.