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Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:37 am

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This, was the end of Season Two. This is where I personally would have had Season Three continue. Not with a deux ex machina and last minute saves. But with Megatron's gamble realised. But, this is Transformers. So here's the deal. This New Season 3 still has to incorporate the toyline presented IE Transmetal 2.

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Optimus Minor
Scarem
Sonar
Spittor
Stinkbomb


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Ramulus
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Scourge

Mega
Blackarachnia
Cybershark
Arcee

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Megatron
Tigerhawk

In terms of story, I'd lean into the themes of Other Victories. Rewriting history, as Megatron did, leads to the dispatch of Tigerhawk.

The setting and plot, I'd borrow from Beast Machines. No Vehicons, sadly. Just a Cybertron ruled by an increasingly unhinged TM2 Megatron. While also reversing the previously established social standing of Maximals and Predacons. The Maxi's now are a hunted minority. Gradually recruited by Tigerhawk to overthrow Megatron. Since his Vok powers aren't enough to do so on his own. They are the only ones, other than Megatron, aware of the original timeline.

The POV would be Optimus Minor (voiced by Garry Chalk). With all prior voice cast reprising titular roles or voicing new ones. The distinction being these are not the same bots that we knew. G1 namesakes however, would be those characters EG PrOwl, Arcee and Scourge.

I was considering including the latter made Fuzors, but then the cast would probably be too bloated.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:40 am

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I like the idea of Megatron's goal realized, but I think it would be best to see us remain on prehistoric Earth rather than switch up the setting for the last season.

So here's what I'm thinking:

Optimus Primal and the Maximals stole the golden disk from the Predacons, uncovering that this reality was altered according to the original Megatron's plan. So, they travel back in time to undo it. Predacon Megatron, the only one who remembers what happened (because he did it), knows he can't let that happen, so he pursues them back in time. Basically, you end up with a reversal of the first two seasons, with the Maximals trying to undo Megatron's changes. You could even pull a Back to the Future Part II and have them try to avoid their past selves while changing the past. I like your idea of Tigerhawk being dispatched too, he could serve the same role for the Maximals that Ravage served for the Predacons.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:45 am

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Some good ideas with a mirrored Season One. As for Tigerhawk, I like to think that if Megatron did succeed with such a colossal rewriting of the timeline. That the previously passive Vok would become far more proactive in their approach.

By switching up the setting, I'm also trying to achieve a better realised Beast Machines. Fixing the much maligned characterisations, by actually making them different iterations of those we knew.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:05 am

I just finished watching Beast Wars with the Mrs. just a few days ago. I agree too. On rewatch it would have been cool to see Megatron's plan realized. With an altered timeline, how our heroes would have to save the timeline and rewrite the past to save the present day. I love alternate timelines.

I don't know if it needs an entire season. But it would be pretty long.

I feel like the Vox are ill-defined enough to shield themselves from the timestorm and could send Tigerhawk out to save the day. But TM2 Megatron would definitely be rewritten along with the rest of the show's cast. I don't see why he'd be spared.

If we're going to sprinkle in some Beast Machines I'd have Megatron be in his Grand Mal form at the onset with Vehicons as his personal guard as Predacons hunt Maximals. Because the Vehicons ruled. Tigerhawk could go on his recruiting spree, using his ill defined powers to restore memories has he goes on.

It could have interesting results. I wonder if Dinobot would still be a turncoat if he sees that Megatron's plan had worked out in the end? I guess Cybertron's organic core is canon here so that can be used to give them Beast Modes. And, if I'm keeping the Vehicons as Megatron's elite guard does Rhinox still break bad?

Eventually Megatron would have to learn Tigerhawk's mission. Really, TH is too powerful and needs to be nerfed.

In this setting the Preds would gets beast modes after, also using the organic core.

I guess the thrust of the story would be to go back and save the entire timeline by repairing OP somehow or stopping TM2 Megatron. It does seem like time travel was effortless in Beast Wars. But if that isn't it and we're exploring the alternate reality created when Megatron killed OP then I think TH just has to be eliminated form the plot. Restoring the timeline needs to not be an option. May be a bit stronger in terms of story, but I like the idea of going back to gave G1.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:13 am

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To be fair, killing Prime could technically shift the series all the way back to G1. The ramifications of Decepticon victory over the Autobots would potentially dramatically alter their descendants. Did the Matrix die with Prime? If yes, Unicron becomes a problem in 2005. If no, who wields it now? Megatron? An Autobot resistance cell?

Having these flashback segments could enhance the alternate season even more.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:14 pm

But if we do that it becomes an alternate G1 and not an alternate Beast Wars. Which is a different assignment.

There's no way the Matrix died with Prime. Prime was shot in the head after all. Just like in the movie he'd just become one with the Matrix. At that point exactly who would get the Matrix? I dunno. My gut reaction is saying Bumblebee, but that wouldn't fit the time period. Prowl or Jazz maybe? They'd have to pick someone on board the Ark.

Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter. We can just say that Prowlimus Prime sacrificed himself and the Matrix stopping Unicron. And that afterwards the Matrix was lost.

What happens to Megatron? After conquering the Earth to use as Cybertron's battery he gets a little too complacent and is finally killed by Starscream in a palace coup. Ceaser style. Following that we get a succession of coups until we get the Tripredacus Council. For all we know that's what happened to Galvatron in G1. Just a knife in the dark. How does BW Megatron get back to being the sole leader? I guess he was on the council until he managed to extract and eat all of their sparks?

I admit, I haven't read any of the Beast Wars comics. No idea how they handled the transition from Galvatron to Beast Wars Preds.

Changing too much history can change the scope. If it's Beast Wars you want to talk about Beast Wars and not too much about G1. Otherwise the story can get away from you. In that case you can assume someone else dealt with Unicron. I'd probably let all that be nice and vague vague and just have Megatron be sole leader without worrying about a history lesson.

If this were about an alternate G1, however, then I'd open on an all-new leader of the Autobots leading a different team against the imminent threat of Unicron. But you can't get mired in G1 too much if your focus is Beast Wars / Machines.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:31 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:But if we do that it becomes an alternate G1 and not an alternate Beast Wars. Which is a different assignment.


The past informs the future. The state of Cybertron and/or the wider galaxy, either through visual narrative or exposition. Would be the backdrop to BW Megs potential reign. The focus wouldn't be on a Great War without Prime. Only how this would alter the BW present.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Changing too much history can change the scope. If it's Beast Wars you want to talk about Beast Wars and not too much about G1. Otherwise the story can get away from you. In that case you can assume someone else dealt with Unicron. I'd probably let all that be nice and vague vague and just have Megatron be sole leader without worrying about a history lesson.


A visual narrative would suffice. A broken horn, sticking out of Cybertron. Earth being mentioned offhand as fuel depot or dead world. Beast Wars never went into specifics on it's own people IE Maximal and Predacon culture wasn't even really explored with detail. So it's doubtful the same creative team would be detailed obsessed here.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:There's no way the Matrix died with Prime. Prime was shot in the head after all. Just like in the movie he'd just become one with the Matrix. At that point exactly who would get the Matrix? I dunno. My gut reaction is saying Bumblebee, but that wouldn't fit the time period. Prowl or Jazz maybe? They'd have to pick someone on board the Ark.


The assumption there being that the Decepticons would leave any of the Autobots alive, onboard the Ark? Remember they were always awoken first.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:What happens to Megatron? After conquering the Earth to use as Cybertron's battery he gets a little too complacent and is finally killed by Starscream in a palace coup. Ceaser style. Following that we get a succession of coups until we get the Tripredacus Council. For all we know that's what happened to Galvatron in G1. Just a knife in the dark. How does BW Megatron get back to being the sole leader? I guess he was on the council until he managed to extract and eat all of their sparks?



I like the Caesar idea. BW Megs assumed removing the Autobots victory would create a better future for his people. But that is a big assumption.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:10 pm

Yeah, I'm assuming the Decepticons leave the Autobots alive. One thing I dislike about some AUs is that they go hard into a different tone. It's not like the Decepticons awoke and headshotted the Autobots right away, taking the Ark as their own base. Megatron shot at the Ark to seal it away. Mistake #1.

If it were me I'd still want to remain true to who these guys are. Looking back it's Prime who wakes up first. So, clearly the Autobots wake up way late, but they have to wake up at some point. Either there's an earthquake or a nearby Decepticon attack or something knocks someone else in Teletraan's scan range.

The past informs the future. The state of Cybertron and/or the wider galaxy, either through visual narrative or exposition. Would be the backdrop to BW Megs potential reign. The focus wouldn't be on a Great War without Prime. Only how this would alter the BW present.

I mean ... we don't get much of a sense of the world in BW/BM. IS the story about that or is the story about overthrowing Megatron, Cybrton's despot? One of the strengths BW had was it's vagueness. It could pull in a talking Ravage and Primus for the first time.

Of course I'm going full-on fanfic about this. If I were to confine myself to just toys available to me at the time I'm not really sure how I'd approach it. Maybe ...

Scrap my entire previous idea.

Change the setting to present day Earth so the Beast Modes all make sense. The Preds rule the planet and use it as a giant battery. Still. Maybe center the plot around finding out what exactly happened to the last legendary leader of the Autobots. I still like the idea of Tigerhawk recruiting people, but make him less powerful. He only knows time was changed. They need to access datatracks from the Ark, now a Predacon trophy on Earth with access strictly forbidden. The datatracks may have been available to Autobots once, but were lost and Decepticons really never knew what to make of them. But Tigerhawk would immediately know what had happened.

After that it becomes about acquiring forbidden transwarp technology. Maybe it's being developed near "Dinobot Island" as a way to ensure Predacon rule for the entirety of time. Of course Megatron would also know what they were trying to do. Because he would have been privvy to this video and recognize himself.

But, after acquiring it (and, more than likely a few casualties) Optimus Minor (who, I guess, would be this reality's version of Optimus Primal) would manage to go back in time just enough to take the blast meant for Prime. From there TM Megatron could be defeated.

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TBH, after typing all that I think this idea works better as a what if sort of story where the Maximals just don't stop the time storm in time. The resolution is just resetting the status quo.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:07 am

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:The resolution is just resetting the status quo.


That is one idea I do not like and why I think Optimal Situation fell flat. Whereas for all it's failings, that's why BM's finale worked for me. The ongoing story ended. But on a new tomorrow.

I liked the tonal shift of BW Season Two. For me, Alt-Season Three would push harder in that direction. As an X-Men fan, I envision an Age of Apocalypse level of bleakness to Megatron's new timeline.
But the quest of Tigerhawk's team would offset that towards the end.

There was a great two part story in X-Men: TAS called 'Time Fugitives'. Part One revolved around the time traveller Bishop. Trying to prevent a global plague. Part Two revolved around a second time traveller, Cable. Who was from further in the future and sought to ensure the plague did happen. Part Two played up the timey wimey nature of this premise. Replaying key scenes from part one, from a different perspective.

This was how I envisioned the end of Alt-Season Three. Coming back to The Agenda part three. However, through a makeshift Transwarp engine. They miss the mark and arrive on the Ark, before it crashes. So you'd have a group of Maximals, having to sneak around the Ark without being seen by Autobot or Decepticon (insert lighter hearted moments here). Which would give the G1 fans something a bit more substantial than the brief flashback and corpses of The Agenda. They possibly stow away within Prime's chair during the crash. Fast forward to TM Megatron's monologuing and they launch a surprise ambush. Tigerhawk doesn't hesitate to kill a weaker (chronologically) Megatron and restore the timestream. Which leads to an all new future, for them and everyone else.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:00 pm

But the problem with THAT is that it's not truly our heroes who save the day. It's a bunch of new characters and Tigerhawk (who is, essentially, Tigatron). You lose the entire core cast of characters for an entirely new cast to come in and save the day entirely.

And it still just restores the status quo. It's just the "G1 is restored" status quo. Only now, instead of the characters who we spent two seasons with doing it it's a new crew.

I dunno, I guess the more I think about it the less I see a time travel stint as a great solution. At least to the entire plot. Maybe if it were just an intro to Tigerhawk as a character as we see him meet twistred versions of our friends and new freedom fighters. Then he goes back in time to help drive back Megatron.

But if we're spending a great deal of time here maybe ... just don't fix the past? Tigerhawk dies when restoring the memory of Optimus Minor (Optimus Primal in the past) and he becomes determined to beat Megatron and liberate the universe.

On tone - Don't get me wrong, I like BW season 2. I just don't think G1 Megatron would murder the G1 Autobots if he saw Prime dead.
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Re: Beast Wars Alternate Season 3

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:52 pm

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Comic book G1 Megatron would absolutely murder the Autobots if he saw Prime dead. It's easy to forget how neutered their Sunbow counterparts were. To be fair, Sunbow Megatron was only ever a threat in The Movie.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:But the problem with THAT is that it's not truly our heroes who save the day. It's a bunch of new characters and Tigerhawk (who is, essentially, Tigatron). You lose the entire core cast of characters for an entirely new cast to come in and save the day entirely.


"Our Heroes" died at the end of The Agenda. Erased from existence. They have no counterparts for familiarity. In killing TM1 Megs, Tigerhawk brings resolution to the (proposed) plot of alt-Season Three. In doing so. The Maximals, our heroes, survive.
Much like how in the aforementioned Age of Apocalypse, AoA Bishop saves the day. Not the X-Men. That's how dystopian future stories work.

The catch/cliffhanger to this alt-S3 however, would be that in executing Megatron (Note all other Predacons are still dead ala The Agenda pt. 3). The time displaced fugitives would draw the attention and reaction of the Vok. Perpetuating that loop. This is the new status quo. The Maximals and TM2's now have to survive a pro-active Vok force (and not in the terrible way IDW did it).
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