blackwasp wrote:Is the G1 cartoon the best place to start?
blackwasp wrote:Is the G1 cartoon the best place to start?
blackwasp wrote:The Beast Wars cartoon looks weird. The bad CGI is hard on the eyes and difficult to get past. Talk about not aging well.
blackwasp wrote:Didn’t the Transformers Energon cartoon have really cool toys? You could connect robots together, and the characters could connect with each other?
blackwasp wrote:I’ve been enjoying the 2001 Robots in Disguise cartoon. It’s kind of funny. I have not heard anyone talk about this series.
blackwasp wrote:What cartoon was Takara?
blackwasp wrote:The three-part Rebirth series was weird too.
I think they should have ended the G1 cartoon with the “Return of Optimus Prime.” That was an epic two-parter.
Why is Rescue Bots so popular? It seems too kiddy.
I’ve seen some Armada episodes, but the humans in that show and in Cybertron take me out of the cartoon. It’s too much.
I heard the Transformers Prime series was Emmy-award winning but the robots looked too creepy to me. The humans in that show are also too annoying and invasive.
I wish I could get into the comics but I don’t like to read. It’s a pity.
The three-part pilot episodes are, absolutely. So many tropes established that are homaged or repeated to this day. I think startkng anywhere else, cartoon-wise, would be like starting Star Wars with anything besides Ep 4blackwasp wrote:Is the G1 cartoon the best place to start?
blackwasp wrote:Is the G1 cartoon the best place to start?
blackwasp wrote:Plus, they don’t kill off Optimus Prime. Why do other series keep killing Optimus Prime?
blackwasp wrote:It seems like the Transformers series that are praised as having good writing and stories like Beast Wars and Animated are not successful with selling toys because the character designs are ugly.
And the Transformers cartoons that are criticized for bad writing like G1 and Energon sell a lot of toys because the character designs and engineering are so bad-ass.
Is this a fair statement?
blackwasp wrote:I can see why fans don’t like the Energon cartoon, particularly the dialogue.
It’s just that it has the most elements of G1, since G1. So it awakens that nostalgia factor.
It has gestalts/combiners (ie. Bruticus Maximus and Constructicon Maximus), it has Rodimus exactly how he looked in g1, it has Omega Supreme, it has reformatting of Transformers. It upgrades Optimus Prime into a full five member gestalt team that combines. What’s not to like?
Energon gives us the story we would have liked from the 1986 movie. Optimus Prime is the top dog, and Rodimus is a hero in his own right.
Energon gives us the Shockwave we saw in the G1 Marvel comics.
It kept Megatron basically still Megatron even though he was upgraded to Galvatron.
It made the human character Kicker equal if not in some ways superior to the robots. He wasn’t helpless, and constantly in need of rescue. He could hold his own with and against the Transformers.
The action kept me on the edge of my seat, and a lot of the episodes ended on cliffhangers. It had way more suspense and excitement than Armada and Cybertron combined.
Energon showed us the power of Omega Supreme, able to subdue and defeat Bruticus Maximus and Constructicon Maximus, and conquer Unicron.
Is the Energon Omega Supreme toy as good as the G1 Omega Supreme toy?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
You are not missing out. I myself tried to get into the 80s G.I. Joe cartoon but couldn't. I did watch G.I. Joe: Sigma 6, G.I. Joe: Resolute, and G.I. Joe: Renegades, and enjoyed those cartoons for what they were at each time, and now consider Renegades to be the most decent of those three. I've also seen the two live action films and they are what they are and nothing more. In the end, though, G.I. Joe is pretty much a dead franchise at this point.blackwasp wrote:I heard GI Joe is in the same universe as the Transformers.
I could not get into GI Joe because there were just too many characters and they kept introducing more characters every episode. It was too much I think because they were all human. The only thing I really remember getting into is the story arc with Seargent Slaughter and Serpentor. And just when I was getting into Duke and Scarlett, the show tops them with Flint and Lady Jay who outshined them.
GI Joe has a lot more 80’s cartoon episodes, content, characters, toys, comics, and media than the Transformers. Am I missing out by not getting into GI Joe?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
On the contrary. Plans for a fourth season were made, but the show was not renewed for a fourth season for a number of internal reasons.blackwasp wrote:I’m concerned because I heard Transformers Animated ended abruptly and we did not get the ending we should have gotten. Does that mean it fell flat?
Energon... is one of the biggest disappointments in the entire history of the brand. Not because of how it ended, but because of how it was executed overall from start to finish. Energon does its best to pretend like it's telling a story, but in actuality, it is nothing more than 52 episodes of mindless nonsense. Nothing of real value really happens over the course of its run. Things happen, sure, but the majority of all that happens just makes one ask "What was the point of any of that?"blackwasp wrote:How about Energon? Can I look forward to an epic ending? Does the show end on a strong note?
Energon is only "G1-esque" in that it had a lot of visual designs based on those of G1 (because it was the 20th Anniversary series), and that its story did nothing important for so long. There's nothing "mature" about it.blackwasp wrote:I just feel these shows are more mature and G1-esque
Mini-Cons came about at a time when Pokemon was at the height of its popularity, and Transformers needed some new angle to compete with that. Transformers: Armada was a powerhouse franchise and a smashing success with children. Though its cartoon started off pretty BAD, it eventually grew into a much better series around its halfway point, and culminated in a critically-acclaimed final story arc called "The Unicron Battles", in which the Autobot, Decepticon, and Mini-Con armies were all forced to unite against the new threat of Unicron coming to destroy them all. By that point, the Armada cartoon had become dark, epic, and an all-out space war spanning several episodes.blackwasp wrote:than mini-cons which seem like something created to appeal to little kids,
They sure weren't fuzzy in the Beast Wars cartoon, since fur couldn't be animated in CGI properly until Pixar did it in Monsters, Inc.blackwasp wrote:same with Beast Wars since kids like fuzzy animals.
Opinion, not fact.blackwasp wrote:The G1 Dinobots, Predacons/Predaking, Terrorcons/Abominus, Skylynx, and all the robot beasts in the G1 episode “Call of the Primitives” are way more cooler.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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