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Do all lives matter? Yes. But shouting that out right now as an argument against those trying to emphasize that black lives matter is missing the point. Blacks are disenfranchised. I almost typed, "have history been disenfranchised," but no... They ARE disenfranchised. They need to be heard, and seen, and respected.

Do I agree with violence and looting? Hell no. But I understand it. It's freaking 2020. We can pat ourselves on the back and say, "It got better after slavery ended," or, "It got better after the civil rights movement in the 60's," or, "It got better after Rodney King..." But when will it really get better? How many times can we ignore peaceful protests and expect them to keep going? "Please, sir, may I have equality?"

And even now, the vast majority of people out there are still peacefully protesting. Just anyone who would rather they be quiet and know their place seems to like to emphasize the minority who are doing otherwise. And it certainly doesn't help matters at all when all too often even completely peaceful protests are met with violent response, such as the blight on our nation that happened in Lafayette Park. Not really helping to de-escalate the situation!

So do I think all lives matter? Sure I do. But I don't want to hear that until it's true. Until then, we need to emphasize those for whom it all too often isn't true.

Black lives matter.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Dorkimus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Antifa IS a terrorist group. If I am ever confronted by them, I will respond accordingly.

So... Using violence is ok, if you use it against folks that you see (not a fact) as a terrorist group? You just kinda chasticed the rioters for using violence, and right after that remarked that you would also use violence against left wing people. Or is your responce like... A nice chat with these people... You know, finding some common ground etc.

There is a difference between attacking and terrorizing people in public and defending myself against those attacks.

Precisely this. Antifa are quite open and upfront about their desire to attack "fascists" (read: anyone they disagree with/think they can get away with attacking). They aren't giving out pamphlets about ending racism or whatever, they're attacking people. They're absolutely terrorists (remember the bikelock incident?) and they deserve no sympathy.

Yes, Lafayette Park. What a disgrace that was. And the posturing and totally clueless tweets by the man. He waited 6 days (6 f**king days!!!) to properly respond to this crisis. That is not the leader I want. I thought he was capable of more. He should have been on national television last Wednesday night addressing this. The 2nd night of the rioting. He did get 1 thing right, he called the rioters what they were, thugs and thieves. But otherwise, he completely dropped the ball. And yes, there is a difference between protesters and rioters. I believe a lot of this could have been calmed down if the Minneapolis officers involved had been held responsible sooner, and if we had gotten the proper response from our leadership. ALL of them. Yet, the only one who said anything sensible was the mayor of Atlanta.

ZeroWolf wrote:I stand with those who stand against prejudice. Reading about all those lives that got snuffed out so carelessly, it makes me angry to think that it's 2020 and this is the world we have.

Your words stand strong.

Till All Are One
#BlackLivesMatter

Hope things improve in the US and in any place where people are treated differently on any merit other than their actions.

No. Please don't.
Black Lives Matter is a freaking CULT that wallow itself into perpetual victim status.

WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY POLICE ALL THE TIME AND MEDIA JUST DONT CARE.

Stop it with the white guilt. Stop it with separating everyone in little boxes based on their race. Let black people, white people, ALL people take responsibility for their own action and STOP blaming other groups for your own failures.

STOP SPITTING ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR'S DREAM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!



"Black lives matter".

HA!

Tell that to all the black business owners who got looted and had their livelihood destroyed.
Tell that to the old retired policeman who got KILLED defending a pawnshop from looter.
Tell that to a black guy who DARE wear a MAGA hat.
Tell that to all those black people where their low income housing was BURNED TO THE GROUND by the mob.
Tell that to all those black families where they lost someone due to gang violence.

"Black lives matter" don't give a rat's ass about ACTUAL black lives. All that matter for them is MONEY AND POWER, like all those "virtuous" organisations.
And this piss me off.

Black Hat wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Dorkimus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Antifa IS a terrorist group. If I am ever confronted by them, I will respond accordingly.

So... Using violence is ok, if you use it against folks that you see (not a fact) as a terrorist group? You just kinda chasticed the rioters for using violence, and right after that remarked that you would also use violence against left wing people. Or is your responce like... A nice chat with these people... You know, finding some common ground etc.

There is a difference between attacking and terrorizing people in public and defending myself against those attacks.

Precisely this. Antifa are quite open and upfront about their desire to attack "fascists" (read: anyone they disagree with/think they can get away with attacking). They aren't giving out pamphlets about ending racism or whatever, they're attacking people. They're absolutely terrorists (remember the bikelock incident?) and they deserve no sympathy.

Well, some of you are equally eager to attack other people that you label as terrorist. Don't believe every thing fox news tells you. Besides, blaming Antifa or freaking China or whatnot is just a diversion. It is a refusal of seeing the real problems here and making this just some political "left vs right thing" where the Evil leftists are making trouple over nothing. That way it is a very nifty to demonize the whole BLM movement. And if you think I'm wrong, then read some of those comments above.

-Kanrabat- wrote:No. Please don't.
Black Lives Matter is a freaking CULT that wallow itself into perpetual victim status.

WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY POLICE ALL THE TIME AND MEDIA JUST DONT CARE.

Stop it with the white guilt. Stop it with separating everyone in little boxes based on their race. Let black people, white people, ALL people take responsibility for their own action and STOP blaming other groups for your own failures.

STOP SPITTING ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR'S DREAM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

Statistics. You should study those before posting.

Dorkimus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Dorkimus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Antifa IS a terrorist group. If I am ever confronted by them, I will respond accordingly.

So... Using violence is ok, if you use it against folks that you see (not a fact) as a terrorist group? You just kinda chasticed the rioters for using violence, and right after that remarked that you would also use violence against left wing people. Or is your responce like... A nice chat with these people... You know, finding some common ground etc.

There is a difference between attacking and terrorizing people in public and defending myself against those attacks.

Precisely this. Antifa are quite open and upfront about their desire to attack "fascists" (read: anyone they disagree with/think they can get away with attacking). They aren't giving out pamphlets about ending racism or whatever, they're attacking people. They're absolutely terrorists (remember the bikelock incident?) and they deserve no sympathy.

Well, some of you are equally eager to attack other People that you label as terrorist. Don't believe every thing fix news tells you. Besides, blaming Antifa or freaking China or whatnot is just a diversion. It is a refusal of seeing the real problems here and making this just some political "left vs right thing" where the Evil leftists are making trouple over nothing. That way it is a very nifty to demonize the whole BLM movement. And if you think I'm wrong, then read some of those comments above.

Antifa ARE terrorists. They use threats of violence to try and intimidate people into doing what they want. That's terrorism, plain and simple. And any organization willingly siding with them is complicit in terrorism.

Those who are peacefully protesting and condemning the violence of the rioters, they have my full support. Anyone using this as an opportunity to kill, loot and burn? F**k 'em.

Dorkimus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Dorkimus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Antifa IS a terrorist group. If I am ever confronted by them, I will respond accordingly.

So... Using violence is ok, if you use it against folks that you see (not a fact) as a terrorist group? You just kinda chasticed the rioters for using violence, and right after that remarked that you would also use violence against left wing people. Or is your responce like... A nice chat with these people... You know, finding some common ground etc.

There is a difference between attacking and terrorizing people in public and defending myself against those attacks.

Precisely this. Antifa are quite open and upfront about their desire to attack "fascists" (read: anyone they disagree with/think they can get away with attacking). They aren't giving out pamphlets about ending racism or whatever, they're attacking people. They're absolutely terrorists (remember the bikelock incident?) and they deserve no sympathy.

Well, some of you are equally eager to attack other People that you label as terrorist. Don't believe every thing fix news tells you. Besides, blaming Antifa or freaking China or whatnot is just a diversion. It is a refusal of seeing the real problems here and making this just some political "left vs right thing" where the Evil leftists are making trouple over nothing. That way it is a very nifty to demonize the whole BLM movement. And if you think I'm wrong, then read some of those comments above.

This whole situation is a failure of our entire governing body, left and right. Lawmakers, the Justice system, and past presidents, both Democrat and Republican, all the way back to Lyndon Johnson, the man who actually got civil rights legally realized, even though it had been set in motion by Eisenhower in the 50s.

Of course I think black lives matter. I have black friends and black coworkers who are very good people and I don't want to see anything happen to them by overzealous cops or racist a**holes who would target them because of their color. But the organized Black Lives Matter movement is not pure and not honest. They're opportunistic and choose to elevate certain people or events. Would we be in this situation if 1) Floyd was killed by a black cop or 2) the murder was not filmed? Same with Arbery. If he got killed by 2 other black guys, it would have resembled an average afternoon in Chicago or LA or any other big city with a large colored population. And nothing would have been said. Where is BLM for the black victims of black attackers?

As for Antifa, I don't have to listen to news. I can just watch videos online either they themselves or bystanders record when these coward scumbags mob up and descend on people with verbal intimidation or physical assault. They can never confront anyone 1 on 1, and they always wear masks and sunglasses, keeping themselves covered, because they know what they're doing is a crime and they don't have a backbone to stand up for their beliefs and own their actions. They're gutless.

Dorkimus wrote:Statistics. You should study those before posting.

The statistics are irrelevant.
Just go back to my edited post above for more about why I say the BLM organisation themselves is a scam.

I'm not alone in this. Actual black people think so too.






One thing the "establishment" don't want to admit is the current trouble is a CLASS struggle. It have nothing to do with race. Because all that "discrimination" black people from impoverished area suffer from, poor dirty white people suffer from too. But they are not allowed to complain.

Media LOVE to keep us divided. We are easier to conquer.

Also, good new folks, CORONA VIRUS NO LONGER EXIST! We can all protest freely (as long that it's against "racism") we can do SJW praying in tight groups, we can loot all we want, we can beat people up, we can even KILL people as long that it's for the "right" cause. We can do all this with the blessings of our dear government and the mainstream media.

But those who want to go to church or simply reopen their small businesses (no matter their color) are MONSTERS.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Of course I think black lives matter. I have black friends and black coworkers who are very good people and I don't want to see anything happen to them by overzealous cops or racist a**holes who would target them because of their color. But the organized Black Lives Matter movement is not pure and not honest. They're opportunistic and choose to elevate certain people or events. Would we be in this situation if 1) Floyd was killed by a black cop or 2) the murder was not filmed? Same with Arbery. If he got killed by 2 other black guys, it would have resembled an average afternoon in Chicago or LA or any other big city with a large colored population. And nothing would have been said. Where is BLM for the black victims of black attackers?

As for Antifa, I don't have to listen to news. I can just watch videos online either they themselves or bystanders record when these coward scumbags mob up and descend on people with verbal intimidation or physical assault. They can never confront anyone 1 on 1, and they always wear masks and sunglasses, keeping themselves covered, because they know what they're doing is a crime and they don't have a backbone to stand up for their beliefs and own their actions. They're gutless.

Exactly that.
And notice that most of the rioting is going on in BLUE DEMOCRAT states and cities. This tell a lot.
Also, the hypocrisy of corporations who go all virtue signaling with their black square avatar or rainbow flags. For their Chinese websites and Twitter accounts, blacks and gays suddenly don't matter at all.
Strange.

As for Antifa, I hate to say this but there's a pill to cure someone from the Antifa disease... a LEAD pill.
It's cruel to say this but we are going there and WHEN (not if) it will happen, it will not be pretty.

Loved those words very well put good sir. May our best get better and our better be blessed.

Till all are one!

Rodimus Prime wrote:

As for Antifa, I don't have to listen to news. I can just watch videos online either they themselves or bystanders record when these coward scumbags mob up and descend on people with verbal intimidation or physical assault. They can never confront anyone 1 on 1, and they always wear masks and sunglasses, keeping themselves covered, because they know what they're doing is a crime and they don't have a backbone to stand up for their beliefs and own their actions. They're gutless.

Yes, but have you considered that the mobilization and violent outbursts coming from the left might also have some thing to do with the fact that people answer with violence to violence and fear. What I mean is, that nowadays you also see these alt right wing "militia" protesters wearing sunglasses, mask and actual assault rifles to make their point. Like for example in Michigan state capitol not so long ago. They most certainly were not Antifa. And at least to me that is rather scary. Same goes for many of those pro-firearm protesters who bring military grade weapons with them. They look like some (mostly) White militia, ready to "take action". You know, these tacticool People. Also, what are atm those troops in Washington dc, who have no insignia of anykind. Some of them wearing sun glasses and masks. Some say they are, of Doc, sort, nsa, cia or perhaps blackwater (or whatever they are called nowadays). But apparentlybthey have right to practise violence towards possible protesters. So, is it any Wonder if also the left wing is arming up and getting riled up. It is no fun to live in fear, when other party sees their god given right to wave arms in protests etc. Many things have led to this point when it boils over.

And to make my point, a quote from above:
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As for Antifa, I hate to say this but there's a pill to cure someone from the Antifa disease... a LEAD pill.
It's cruel to say this but we are going there and WHEN (not if) it will happen, it will not be pretty"

EDIT: And apparently you aprove that rhetoric. Well, it is no Wonder if the other party thinks likewise then.

-Kanrabat- wrote:One thing the "establishment" don't want to admit is the current trouble is a CLASS struggle. It have nothing to do with race. Because all that "discrimination" black people from impoverished area suffer from, poor dirty white people suffer from too. But they are not allowed to complain.

Media LOVE to keep us divided. We are easier to conquer.

Also, good new folks, CORONA VIRUS NO LONGER EXIST! We can all protest freely (as long that it's against "racism") we can do SJW praying in tight groups, we can loot all we want, we can beat people up, we can even KILL people as long that it's for the "right" cause. We can do all this with the blessings of our dear government and the mainstream media.

But those who want to go to church or simply reopen their small businesses (no matter their color) are MONSTERS.

Just wanted to quote this because I couldn't have said it better.

As for your LEAD pill solution, I have to agree. I don't want to, because I hope they don't force me to tbat, but unfortunately they don't stop until someone stops them.

Dorkimus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

As for Antifa, I don't have to listen to news. I can just watch videos online either they themselves or bystanders record when these coward scumbags mob up and descend on people with verbal intimidation or physical assault. They can never confront anyone 1 on 1, and they always wear masks and sunglasses, keeping themselves covered, because they know what they're doing is a crime and they don't have a backbone to stand up for their beliefs and own their actions. They're gutless.

Yes, but have you considered that the mobilization and violent outbursts coming from the left might also have some thing to do with the fact that people answer with violence to violence and fear. What I mean is, that nowadays you also see these alt right wing "militia" protesters wearing sunglasses, mask and actual assault rifles to make their point. Like for example in Michigan state capitol not so long ago. They most certainly were not Antifa. And at least to me that is rather scary. Same goes for many of those pro-firearm protesters who bring military grade weapons with them. They look like some (mostly) White militia, ready to "take action". You know, these tacticool People. Also, what are atm those troops in Washington dc, who have no insignia of anykind. Some of them wearing sun glasses and masks. Some say they are, of Doc, sort, nsa, cia or perhaps blackwater (or whatever they are called nowadays). But apparentlybthey have right to practise violence towards possible protesters. So, is it any Wonder if also the left wing is arming up and getting riled up. It is no fun to live in fear, when other party sees their god given right to wave arms in protests etc. Many things have led to this point when it boils over.

I agree about the right wing militias wholeheartedly. They're just as bad from the opposite direction. And if I saw these 2 types clash with each other and eliminate each other, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I called out Antifa because I don't see them going after other groups with weapons who can defend themselves, I see them surround and scream at and push individuals who are unarmed. You know, like these cops that do it to black people. That's my problem with them.

Well said, Seibertron.

I know I don't post here as often as I'd like, but I do love this site and everyone in it.

Everyone matters.

Black, white, human, robot.

We all matter.

So please, do the right thing, and help those who need it.

#BlackLivesMatter. Well said Ryan.

Seibertron till we die!!!!!!

Excellent post.

I would love to see more black creators in the franchise (and other PoC, women, lgbtq+, etc but that's not what this is about today.) The only one that comes to mind is Brandon Easton. For a 36 year old franchise, that's not ok.

Thank you Seibertron (Ryan).

I'm a first gen who's family came from South India. Most people assume that I'm black, but I, by no means claim the struggle laden history that African Americans have undergone here in the US. However, as a POC, I have def experienced malicious treatments, death threats, insults, etc. just bc of how I look.

Regardless of what I've endured, I don't want to ask people to treat me well. All I ask is that they treat me fairly, which to me is reasonable. I don't care if someone doesn't like me for the color of my skin, bc imo they are free to hate who ever they want.

Although Ryan is showing bravery and doing the right thing, it's clear, based on the comments above that so many white males, just simply hate anyone that is different from them. I have observed, experienced and marvelled at this phenomenon my entire life. I don't thinj I'll ever understand why so many white males hate so deeply.

At this point, I can't visit this amazing site anymore. I now know that for the most part, it is a place for people with hate in their sparks to come together and pat each other on the back for keeping the same old mentality in perpetuation.

Again, thank you Ryan! To the rest of you, I'm sure you could care less since I'm a POC. I wish none of you any harm, and I give my best to you all for what it's worth. Primus bless you.

Goodbye.

What im trying to understand is im reading these comments (as I do all the time) and I dont understand how some of these people in here are actually even able to post cussing and crude talk, but i posted talking about transformers siege toys in a transformers animated forum and pretty much got banned for it once upon a time.
And so far as race goes, I have dealt with my length of racism in all types of discussions so this one isn't a surprise to me reading what im seeing this morning.
To the creator of seibertron.com, im in my 40's and have been a transformers fan ALL of my life and I know it will take more then a conversation for this stuff to change...
Therfore until that day, Till all are one.

His name was David Dorn and apparently his black life mattered less than that of a common thug. **** off Seibertron, these people are nothing but thugs and looters at best and US-based terrorist at worst. If you're going to be like that, then ban me and everyone else on this site who disagree with those who align with terrorists. These people are going to end up killing/harming more black people than any stupid police.

You can't say this is about the life of a certain group and then cherry pick about whose life within that group has more values based on arbitrary decisions. Unless it means you don't actually think its about people's lives and is just an excuse to enforce ideological nonsense. When these people come to burn down your house they won't spare you. In fact they won't even spare you if you are black.

Stop peddling race hustling. You're starting something I know you will cry foul when people react to it. And where the **** was ANY of you during the Hong Kong protest or when China was exposed as purging or enslaving its Uyghur muslims minorities?

Well spoken and commendable coming out of silence to speak up for human rights.

If you are arguing with this post, you are arguing with Optimus Prime himself - and everything he stood for.

gothsaurus wrote:If you are arguing with this post, you are arguing with Optimus Prime himself - and everything he stood for.

Haha that's cute when people are basically going "Peace through Tyranny".

To those that respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter", you're missing the message. Honest to God, I believe that you mean well, I really do. I used to think the exact same way. It took me a while to really understand the message. When someone says "Black Lives Matter", that doesn't mean "No lives matter but black lives". It's a cry of pain from people who have been always held a a lower tier in this country. When you say "All Lives Matter", it minimizes the original message with one that didn't need to be said because it was obvious. People saying BLM is happening because there are truly a lot of people out there who don't think that black lives do matter. As a white man, I could never truly understand what it's like to walk in a black man's shoes. But it doesn't mean I shouldn't try to visualize it.

Yes, this is a Transformers site. But this absolutely is not political. I know it annoys you because it cuts in to your escape from reality which is Transformers. We all love it partly from that. But sometimes your alternate reality has to be interrupted for a good cause.

The post below made me see different. It's from Jonathan Toews who is a star hockey player for the Chicago Blackhawks. He is actually a Canadian native and he is white. But his message is so powerful, so much so that I was really able to start to understand as a white person. Then you watch the video he posted, and the light really came on. Please watch this and open your mind just a little.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA540rACGP4/

firefox91 wrote:To those that respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter", you're missing the message.

Oh no we don't.
The base of the message sure have good intentions. But the movement have been hijacked from a long time by unscrupulous people and their quest for power.
Because for Black Lives Matters, not all black lives matter at all.

Where is BLM for promoting family values and responsibilities for black fathers?
Where is BLM for the constant gang violence that happen between blacks in the 'hood?
Where is BLM for all those blacks that lost their jobs, their livelihood, and even their homes due to the riots, looting, and burnings?
Where was BLM for the retired St. Louis police Capt. David Dorn when he was responding to an alarm at a friend's pawn shop when he was shot in the head to death?

Answering any of these question expose the truth about how BLM is a scam, made to shame white people for the color of their skin and for their ancestor's actions. BLM also push down any and all black people back into the crab basket who dare to think for themselves. Because when black people stop thinking themselves as constant victims and take responsibility for their lives, then BLM lose power and they can't allow that.