FracturedKoi wrote:What's the closets thing y'all have to a Botcon anyhow?
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:It's amazing at how "mature" some of these fans are. Do they take the time to learn, much less realize, how complicated it is to set up a convention?
Lets say that it comes to the east coast. This would cost them extra when it comes to shipping their computers and extra supplies. Then there is the fact that if anything does happen, they are that much further from their base of operations. And atop of that, they are not guaranteed the same numbers that they traditionally get in the areas they seem to focus on.
Mind you guys, my first Anime Expo was in 2007. So if you want to complain about the location, then compare it to what might be the last Anime Expo in Long Beach. Now consider the fact that the very same thing could happen to Fun Pub, and how much more complicated it would be if you guys had it your way and they managed to go to the east coast. Mind you, this was reported as one of their worst years, but it can also happen to Botcon.
Point being is that you guys are supposed to be fans... Not children who have a meltdown just because they figured the best location is closer to their base of operations and should have an even larger number of fans there. And if you want a convention over there, then find the means of having one brought there! Or even write to Fun Pub suggesting that the 2014 Botcon should be closer to the east coast.
Either way, wasting your time chewing them out and having fits just because you did not have things your way reflects poorly on you, the fan. Those outside this forum may also ignorantly bunch the rest of us to you, causing the fanbase here to appear like we are a preschool... Not a site-based fanbase. And I can even dig deeper, but I will not as I had this kind of behavior kill the fun I had elsewhere. Do not need to be reminded of that. So I will just say this - You have the following options:
1) Attend Botcon and hope the decision was worth it.
2) Not attend Botcon and hope the decision was worth it.
Either way, you can always look for or help organize smaller events with like-minded fans... Write to Fun Pub in BOTH a constructive AND respectful manner suggesting areas that may be a good spot for Botcon 2014... AND always look for east-coast Transformers conventions that you can attend. Because the difference between this and the fits are simple: Your reputation is based on what decisions you make, not what you own and/or how many Transformers you own. So if you want a good reputation, do what is right for your share of the community - Not what you want to do.
Just saying.
Nemesis Destron wrote:F*ck...even though I'm fortunate that it's only a 45 min drive from OC I'm not sure if it's doable for me to attend. Sorry to read about all the disappointments on the location this year. I personally give props to those who travel internationally to attend a Botcon...wow!
So can anyone give a guestimate the cost needed in fees alone to attend the whole event not including hotels and other?
Fender Bender wrote:It's easy to put yourself on a pedestal when the convention is in your backyard. Hell, it's easy to wish for a permanent location...when you live near that location. Point is, the majority of the fandom does not live in Southern California and to continue to stay in that small corner of the country is beginning to take it's toll on the American fandom.
Fender Bender wrote:With all due respect Ryan, just because Chicago has the most Bears fans, doesn't mean they should play all their games at home.
Same with Botcon.
Seibertron wrote:Fender Bender wrote:With all due respect Ryan, just because Chicago has the most Bears fans, doesn't mean they should play all their games at home.
Same with Botcon.
That doesn't make any sense at all and is a poor comparison. A football team has to travel to play other teams. It's not about traveling so that fans in other locations can see their favorite team play football.
Fender Bender wrote:I look at it that 7 million of those 8 million visitors don't live in California. So if you're going to stay in an area with 1 million and allienate 7 million, I don't see the logic. At best, they should come back more often to California than other staes, but it shouldn't be there 1/2 the time or more when only 1/8 the population is there.
Fender Bender wrote:We're fully aware, quite a few of us know the people who run or have been to several of the smaller conventions. We've also had the experiences of Botcon first hand....
You do realize that Fun Pub is located in Fort Worth, Texas, right? Southern California is just as far away as doing anything in the Great Lakes, Midwest, or East Coast. As for walk ins, which seems to be the only number Hasbro/Fun Pub care about, that really depends on the relative location to a large population center. Obviously Chicago or Los Angeles will have more walk ins than Lexington, KY or San Diego.
It may be coincidence, but have you thought about the location being a factor as to why Anime Expo is ending? Botcon has been rumored to desiring a permanent spot in Southern California. What makes you think the same thing won't happen if they do that too?
Again, you are aware their base of operations is in Texas, right? Can't even say Hasbro's HQ is there, as that is in Providence, Rhode Island. I personally think the outcry is that 4 out of the last 9 Botcons have been in Southern California. Chances are, with Movie 4 coming out next year, it will again be in San Diego/Pasadena. So that makes 5 of the last 10. HALF! Considering Botcon originally started in the Great Lakes area (Indiana to be precise) and it was known for moving around, to get stuck in this Southern California rut is a turn off to quite a few people.
It's easy to put yourself on a pedestal when the convention is in your backyard. Hell, it's easy to wish for a permanent location...when you live near that location. Point is, the majority of the fandom does not live in Southern California and to continue to stay in that small corner of the country is beginning to take it's toll on the American fandom.
And that's why Dairycon, Slagacon, Charticon, and TFCon exist. As you will notice, all these conventions are in the north and the east. There is a serious vacuum left open with the absense of Botcon in the northeast. People have tried to influence Botcons decision making, but nothing the fandom will say will affect it.
As long as Botcon stays in the southern 1/3 of the country, I won't be going. I'll instead opt for the other smaller conventions and possibly TFCon.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I think there is a good way of settling this. FunPub and all other participants of BotCon (HasTak, etc.) should do an official poll on their website. The question should be "What is the main draw for fans to the convention?" If the majority vote for the talent, then it's a valued argument. If they vote for the exclusives, the cost of shipping them to CA vs. anywhere else is also a valued argument. The point is, whatever the fans choose as THE main reason for their attendance is the valued argument. It's a good way of settling this debate.
I see the point of saving costs by having it in CA all the time. I also agree with you, Ryan, about them picking at date and location and sticking with it. But until they do, it just looks like favoritism and quite frankly, laziness.
I do agree with Fender Bender on his statement about the stats. Just because 1/8 of the traffic on this site comes from CA, doesn't mean it's a clear winner for the location. There's the other 7/8 of the fandom. Granted, people from AZ, OR, WA, even some other Western states might not mind as much, but some of us on the East Coast can't make the trip every single year. Especially when the exclusives aren't really that appealing. But then, I guess it comes down to the reason a fan wants to attend. The atmosphere? The talent? Etc.
My 1st (and for the forseeable future my last) BotCon was in 2011, so I'm probably a bit spoiled. That event was worth the trip, even if it was with 3 women all on their periods. No joke.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Fun Pub does not have that benefit as they are on a constant tightrope wire. Meaning that atop of them licensing the rights to do anything with Transformers, they also know that any missteps can cause them to lose the rights to this convention, much less cease being a publication tied to this franchise. Which is why they have to play it safe and go with areas that they are very familiar with, can get the best rates at that time, and can be beneficial if any contingency plans need to be enforced.
And I am also aware that I am neither ignorant nor stupid. However, your responses have me think you do not fully comprehend that. So here is the simple clue: I am not.
Oh wait, I'm on a pedestal.
And you also know that you are not making a good case for your ignorance, right?
And as long as you keep up this attitude, you will never receive the respect you seem to think you deserve. Because your fanbase is based on your attitude. And since your attitude towards this sucks, it means you can either be treated the way you are acting... Or get over it and hope that the fans who attend have fun. Up to you, as I don't give a damn about those who have to be the way you acted when there are those who have managed to grow up and move on.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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