Did not you watch Transformers: Energon?GuyIncognito wrote:Energon Ironhide and G1 Ironhide are also the same character. Every Ironhide has been a different version of the same character: Ironhide.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Even disregarding the circumstantial differences, look at how different the personality of the third one is compared to the rather similar first two. And if the bios aren't enough, the story he appeared in should say plenty more of what he's like compared to his G1 namesake.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
By that logic, Armada Hoist would be a different guy from Armada Smokescreen.GuyIncognito wrote:MKall said it better than I could.
If FunPub had acquired the rights to the name "Spacewarp" and didn't give it a head that resembles Astrotrain, then I would say that they had created a new character - Spacewarp - based on an existing character (Skywarp). But they didn't do that. They made a new Astrotrain instead.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:By that logic, Armada Hoist would be a different guy from Armada Smokescreen.
GuyIncognito wrote:Sabrblade wrote:By that logic, Armada Hoist would be a different guy from Armada Smokescreen.
Totally different situation, and you're just confusing the issue by comparing them.
The issue here is this: If you take an existing mold, repaint it in homage to an existing character, give it the same name as that existing character, align it with the same faction, and change some details of the bio/backstory, did you just invent a NEW character?
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
New as in another addition to the story? Then yes.
New as in completely original that's never been done before? Then no.
xyl360 wrote:I loved the 3H figures. Most of them were completely new/original characters and were great repaints. I guess all of the Botcon homages that Funpub does might sell better to most of the fandom, but I for one would prefer original characters instead of constantly trying to shoehorn existing characters into molds that hardly ever fit them (at least IMO).
Sabrblade wrote:Fun Pub has created new character toys too:
2005 Buzzclaw
2005 Dirge
2005 Ricochet
2005 Flamewar
2005 Flareup
2005 Virulent Clones
2005 Skyfall
2006 Landquake
2006 Cybertron Astrotrain
2007 Breakaway
Every Shattered Glass character
2008 Topspin
2009 Landshark
2009 Heatwave
Every Fun Pub-released Animated character
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Black?GuyIncognito wrote:As for the Skywarp bit, isn't it obvious? You said it yourself. Their original plan was to make a purple and black space shuttle named Spacewarp.
Notice the "too" in my original response, indicating that I said that Fun Pub has created both new character toys and existing character toys.GuyIncognito wrote:Sabrblade appeared to disagree with the suggestion that FunPub doesn't create "original characters", and responded thusly:Sabrblade wrote:Fun Pub has created new character toys too:
I'll admit, that wording may have been a bit misleading. A less confusing phrasing would be "Fun Pub has created toys for new characters too."GuyIncognito wrote:Now, Sabrblade's usage of the term "character toy" is confusing, as it combines two concepts in one.
They are, as they are portrayed quite differently than their namesakes. A character's personality and portrayal defines who they are, not their physical appearance.GuyIncognito wrote:But the point I raised is that SOME of the example he listed, such as Buzzclaw and Astrotrain, are NOT examples of FubPub CREATING ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, but rather examples of them shoehorning (to borrow xyl360's term) existing characters into their fiction. Sabrblade appears to be arguing that FubPub's Buzzclaw and Astrotrain figures were, in fact, original characters created by FunPub.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
None at all. I actually found the whole experience intriguing and invigorating.GuyIncognito wrote:We're just going to have to disagree and leave it at that. We clearly have different ideas about what constitutes "an original character". Not much sense in debating it anymore.
No hard feelings, I hope!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Regarding the molds, what else could they have done? All they had to work with were post-UT molds.Noideaforaname wrote:This set is kinda all over the place. It's Machine Wars, but they've included a few Beast Machine characters, and they're using molds from Movieverse, Classics, and now Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PrymeStriker wrote:...
Prime Dreadwing? They used an 6-month-old toy?
Sledge wrote:Finally! Wheelie will get the credit he's due with a set of five Wheelies.
ScottyP wrote:Kid 1 "What did you get for Christmas?"
Kid 2 "Steve.........What did you get?"
Kid 1 "John Cena!"
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