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Bounti76 wrote:Seibertron wrote:I just want them to do this set right. Frustrating to see poor or bad decisions being made.
What do you feel are the poor/bad decisions here, the Machine Wars theme, or the way the molds are done? What would you have done differently? Just wondering.
But Hubcap's bio had him as a different character than G1 Hubcap (which is one of the reasons why some people seem to really like MW Hubcap).Seibertron wrote:Megaplex should've been it, in my opinion, because he was the only "original" character to come out of a cheaply done KB Toys exclusive repaint/mold reuse set.
I agree, but all of the 2007-2008 Movie 1 molds are sadly off limits to the Club.Seibertron wrote:I would've been very happy with a MW colored Movie 2007 TRU exclusive Hoist.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But Hubcap's bio had him as a different character than G1 Hubcap (which is one of the reasons why some people seem to really like MW Hubcap).Seibertron wrote:Megaplex should've been it, in my opinion, because he was the only "original" character to come out of a cheaply done KB Toys exclusive repaint/mold reuse set.
Sabrblade wrote:I agree, but all of the 2007-2008 Movie 1 molds are sadly off limits to the Club.Seibertron wrote:I would've been very happy with a MW colored Movie 2007 TRU exclusive Hoist.
As are the Unicron Trilogy molds, apparently, given what was said about their not using them last year. So no Cybertron Armorhide mold, who's too small anyway since the Club's lately been steering clear of anything smaller than Deluxe class.
Seibertron wrote:Rated X wrote:Seibertron wrote:Rated X wrote:I agree they should get it right the first time. But seeing as how the Funpub heads arent original to the Hasbro mold anyways, Im suprised you wouldnt support someone righting this wrong. Wasnt the Longarm 2012 custom class Shockwave head and cannon not made by the Hasbro factory ? Werent they 3rd party parts added to the kit by Funpub ? Maybe if we create a buzz on these fansites we can get them to do something like that. 4 months is enough time for any resin artist if the money is right...
My resin accessories are not with my Longarm figure. I just want them to do this set right. Frustrating to see poor or bad decisions being made.
So Im guessing one of these two things...
A. You disapprove of Funpub adding the resin Shockwave head to the kit behind Hasbro's back ?
OR
B. You just prefer the Longarm Jazz head ? (I know you dont like SG purple Autobots)
I don't disapprove of it. They can do whatever they want. Not sure what you mean by not liking SG purple Autobots.
Please don't turn this topic into something it's not. This topic is not here to discuss my views on 3rd party products.
Rated X wrote:My apoligies if I was getting too off topic. I thought we agreed in the past that SG is just a gimmick to justify and sell lazy repaints, so I assumed you arent much of an SG fan. I always felt the "Longarm" kit was intended to be SG Jazz if you dont use the resin parts. My point was Funpub does have the connections to get custom heads made without going through Hasbro. I wonder what is the possibility of Funpub releasing a new Megaplex head in the future if they get enough "fan rage" ? Hell, Id buy one for 10 bucks if funpub offered them...
Mindmaster wrote:Plus, Megaplex would be somewhat interesting, if it wasn't for the laziness on FunPub's part and not doing a new head for him.
I mean his original 1997 bio:Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:But Hubcap's bio had him as a different character than G1 Hubcap (which is one of the reasons why some people seem to really like MW Hubcap).Seibertron wrote:Megaplex should've been it, in my opinion, because he was the only "original" character to come out of a cheaply done KB Toys exclusive repaint/mold reuse set.
There is no Hubcap bio. If FunPub made one years later in the comic, that doesn't count.
Understandable, though here's a breakdown of which Movieverse toys are and aren't up for grabs:Seibertron wrote:Don't buy into that "off limits" stuff either. That probably translates into having to pay a fee to Paramount or giving them a percentage of the profits for the product, however that deal works. Would love to know why they can use Dirge but not Hoist since both are made-up vehicles even though Hoist/Longarm was supposed to represent a GM truck.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Bass X0 wrote:Machine Wars Termination will be ignoring certain aspects of the original 1997 bios in favor of new bios that work with the story they have planned.
If Megaplex is no longer an identical stand-in for Megatron and that MWT Hubcap is in fact the oriignal G1 Hubcap and not some creepy new dude, then I'm fine with that.
And none of those were available to use.Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:
Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!
Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor
Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And none of those were available to use.Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:
Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!
Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor
Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
Manterax Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And none of those were available to use.Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:
Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!
Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor
Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
And how long before you realize none of us are going to buy that excuse?
Seriously, this is the 5th or 6th time you've said this?
Not available? Bullshite! I'm not buying it.
Seibertron wrote:Manterax Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And none of those were available to use.Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:
Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!
Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor
Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
And how long before you realize none of us are going to buy that excuse?
Seriously, this is the 5th or 6th time you've said this?
Not available? Bullshite! I'm not buying it.
I think "not available" really translates to "it would cost too much $$$$$", which is fine, but I'd rather hear that or be given a chance to have a set done right and pay more than a set done half assed and pay around the same that we've been paying.
But Megaplex IS a stand-in for Megatron.
Bass X0 wrote:But Megaplex IS a stand-in for Megatron.
1997 Megaplex was. Termination Megaplex may not be. And given his different appearance, its looking likely that he won't be considered a stand-in for Megatron.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:So if there are no two Megaplexes (one a Megatron decoy clone and one a Jhiaxus-made clone), and more than one Skywarp, and if the Autobots in this set are their true selves, yet the toys in this set are supposed to go with the existing 1997 toys...
Then WHAT was the confounded point in doing Hoist!?
If they wanted to just do Electro, they shoulda just done Electro, without doing Hoist!
If Hoist is supposed to be G1/MW Hoist, then what good now is the 1997 Hoist toy when they made it so the 1997 Megaplex and Skywarp toys still fit with the new clones of each?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:My point is, if they made it so these new toys could go with the old ones by having Megaplex and Skywarp not be the same guys as the 1997 toys, yet Hoist IS the same guy, then what was the point in their making Hoist if it renders the 1997 Hoist's existence moot?
GuyIncognito wrote:Sabrblade wrote:My point is, if they made it so these new toys could go with the old ones by having Megaplex and Skywarp not be the same guys as the 1997 toys, yet Hoist IS the same guy, then what was the point in their making Hoist if it renders the 1997 Hoist's existence moot?
I think you're making the mistake of assuming the folks at FunPub actually thought this whole thing through. And this exemplifies why I don't pay attention to the fiction: it's full of holes, contradictions, inconsistencies, and nonsense. It's just a bunch of crap they come up with to sell more toys. Trying to align the toys with the fiction and make sense of it is madness, a fool's errand.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:In my inquiries about Hoist, I wasn't ever talking about the toy bios, guys. All I was talking about were what the Club has said in their Tweets about the identities of the characters in this set, in which they said this new Hoist is the same guy as G1 Hoist, which makes 1997 Hoist a pointless toy.
M Sipher wrote:I've been part of the group who's worked on the box sets and countless proposals thereof for several years now. I know from first-hand experience trying to put the sets together in the first place which groups are avoided, so we don't waste time pitching stuff that has a microscopic chance of happening.
On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns. UT molds are pretty much written off as unusable due to age and overuse (take a look at the Movie Breakaway made from Cybertron Hot Shot. That toy is ROUGH).
Believe me, nobody at FP is particularly keen on having LESS mold options, but that's the reality.
M "And You Can Never Tell When Any Individual Mold Might Suddenly Be Off The Table For Whatever Reason" Sipher
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Okay, I know I've been saying over and over again which molds were and weren't available for the Club to use, and that I haven't provided any source for my claims. I'll admit that I was in error about the Unicron Trilogy molds not being available. Turns out the Club does have access to them, but they're just so old and worn out to the point of being no good to use.
I asked M Sipher (A.K.A. Greg Sepelak), who has worked with the Club with these things, about the matter, and here's what he had to say:M Sipher wrote:I've been part of the group who's worked on the box sets and countless proposals thereof for several years now. I know from first-hand experience trying to put the sets together in the first place which groups are avoided, so we don't waste time pitching stuff that has a microscopic chance of happening.
On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns. UT molds are pretty much written off as unusable due to age and overuse (take a look at the Movie Breakaway made from Cybertron Hot Shot. That toy is ROUGH).
Believe me, nobody at FP is particularly keen on having LESS mold options, but that's the reality.
M "And You Can Never Tell When Any Individual Mold Might Suddenly Be Off The Table For Whatever Reason" Sipher
On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns
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