The Energon Pub

They actually did do body upgrades in the Marvel comics:

- Optimus Prime was resurrected in a Powermaster body
- Bumblebebee was upgraded into Goldbug, then downgraded back to Bumblebee by Ratchet because he "prefers 'Bee that way" (it was actually to show off his then new Pretender Toy)
- Darkwing was rebuilt into a new G2 Dreadwing body, one of the first known cases of official repurposing.

Jelze- Those were after my time. I stopped watching TF's in the 80's after the Massacre of 86'.

Dead Metal - until now. Every single deluxe release is based on the comics going forward. So, Hasbro is now using the comics as a launching pad for their product, probably until the 4th movie comes out. And the fact that they have FOC Starscream as a comic deisgn in Thundercracker and Skywarp and then move to Armada proves this.


Sabrblade - That is a mess! I never knew they were that variable in their design aesthetics. I can see why they adopt FOC/WFC and eveything else under the sun. If you had a comic book related collection how could you classify your figures? From that standpoint you could shoehorn any figure that ever was because they appear to use every deisgn that ever was? Perfect for the guy who just collects all the molds for a particular character. Is Bumblebee an exception or is this normal? Do they do this with all characters?

And BTW, what do you all see yourselves getting out of these new reveals? I will probably pick up Skids and put him in my FOC collection since the car mode looks Cybertronian. Definitely Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Hoist. I also like the Whirl reveal, might pick him up just cause. I won't get any of the Beast transformers. I really think that line defeated the purpose of TF's in general. They are supposed to be robots in disquise. A 25ft rhino or a 15 ft wasp is kinda revealing, is it not? I was not into TF's when they had their day so I won't knock it. I guess you could say the same about the G1 insecticons or dinobots.

shockblast2 wrote:Sabrblade - That is a mess! I never knew they were that variable in their design aesthetics. I can see why they adopt FOC/WFC and eveything else under the sun.

That's how things used to be, with different illustrators having different creative visions for the characters. Since then, things have become a LOT more consistent.

shockblast2 wrote:If you had a comic book related collection how could you classify your figures? From that standpoint you could shoehorn any figure that ever was because they appear to use every deisgn that ever was? Perfect for the guy who just collects all the molds for a particular character. Is Bumblebee an exception or is this normal? Do they do this with all characters?

If I had an IDW comic collection, I'd only include the few toy designs that were actually in the comics, since a whole lot of designs were made strictly for the comics and have never had toys made for them.

Of those Bumblebee designs, for instance, only two of them have actually been made into toy form.

shockblast2 wrote:Dead Metal - until now. Every single deluxe release is based on the comics going forward. So, Hasbro is now using the comics as a launching pad for their product, probably until the 4th movie comes out. And the fact that they have FOC Starscream as a comic deisgn in Thundercracker and Skywarp and then move to Armada proves this.

Doesn'T really matter, they decided to work closer together with idw, at least for the 30th. Most of the revealed toys have been in the comics for a while now (as in 2 years or even longer), so it's more the toys are based on the comics. It's also not proven that Armada Starscream will be a new G1 comic Starscream body, it's possible but then again he might be something different, like some weird dimension hopping dude. We'll have to wait and see.

shockblast2 wrote:And BTW, what do you all see yourselves getting out of these new reveals? I will probably pick up Skids and put him in my FOC collection since the car mode looks Cybertronian. Definitely Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Hoist. I also like the Whirl reveal, might pick him up just cause. I won't get any of the Beast transformers. I really think that line defeated the purpose of TF's in general. They are supposed to be robots in disquise. A 25ft rhino or a 15 ft wasp is kinda revealing, is it not? I was not into TF's when they had their day so I won't knock it. I guess you could say the same about the G1 insecticons or dinobots.

I likely will only get Waspinator and Rhinox, I kinda stopped collecting.
In G1 the Transformers didn't give a toss about their disguises, they kept revealing themselves to the public and showed of their amazing abilities, hell Optimus even had his own statue.

The concept of Beast Wars was that they needed the beast modes to survive the extreme Energon radiation of prehistoric Earth. They where human sized Transformers that turned into human sized versions of what ever animal they turned into, so the alt-modes weren't to scale, nore where they super huge, well except the ones that turned into tiny things like insects and arachnids.

Yeah, I guess your right. The RID thing kind of went out the window after the first miniseries. I really do not know much about the Beast Wars transformers. I was in my late teens/early twenties at that time and I was in TF hiatus at that time. I will read up on it as even what you said is different from what I envisioned them to be. I do have to say I am glad to see some variance. Witht he exception of Cheetor and the Dinobot, all other CHUG figures were Classics G1 based until now. This reveal is such an array of things that everyone gets something. But again, I can't get over no Arcee. Hasbro has released everyone in a G1 style, or at least close to it, except her and some of the minibots. And when I say that my ref to G1 ended after the 1986 movie. Im sure alot of thirty somethings did as well. That was a debacle of epic proportions and is still to this day why I have no respect nor do I recongise Rodimus Prime as a Transformer. I like Hot Rod. Before he got Optimus killed, that is.

Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term) have been G1 based (BW is also part of G1), but have included characters from almost every incarnation of TFs, RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated and Aligned. Universe 2008 and Generations aren't the sequel to Classics, they celebrate all lines. Take a look at the packaging of Universe 2008, it shows you to what the toy belongs to: "Classics, G1, Armada, Animated, etc", same goes for Generations, hell most of last year's Generations have been FOC, as in Aligned.

But yes, check out Beast Wars, it's awesome, plus if you're into G1 you will get a super great kick out of the show, trust me.

shockblast2 wrote:How did Whirl look?

From what we were told (only those who attended BotCon know he he looks), he is supposed to look much like his original toy from Generation One. Whirl, along with those that weren't shown publicly, will be finally shown at SDCC (and it can't get here fast enough: I want that Armada Starscream with a burning passion!).

One more question, are bot shots getting the proverbial boot? No reveals at Botcon?

As far as I know, there were no reveals for Bot Shots at BotCon.

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

Classics
Universe
Generations
Reveal the Shield
Henkei
United
Generations

CUGR-HUG?

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS".

I just say the toy's respective line, or "Classics-style". That's just how I roll.

For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

God, don't remind me...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

Classics
Universe
Generations
Reveal the Shield
Henkei
United
Generations

CUGR-HUG?

I'm not going to count Generations anymore since it's no longer like what Classics, Universe, et al. were like.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

Classics
Universe
Generations
Reveal the Shield
Henkei
United
Generations

CUGR-HUG?

I'm not going to count Generations anymore since it's no longer like what Classics, Universe, et al. were like.

...Generations is EXACTLY like what Classics/Universe/etc. were like. What line are you looking at? o_O;

RAcast wrote:...Generations is EXACTLY like what Classics/Universe/etc. were like. What line are you looking at? o_O;

It used to be. During its second phase, at least.

RAcast wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

Classics
Universe
Generations
Reveal the Shield
Henkei
United
Generations

CUGR-HUG?

I'm not going to count Generations anymore since it's no longer like what Classics, Universe, et al. were like.

...Generations is EXACTLY like what Classics/Universe/etc. were like. What line are you looking at? o_O;

I think he's referring to Series 1 (2012), 2 (2013) and so on, since they don't have any real redesigns to speak of. There are no designs made specifically for only the toy line first and foremost as the WfC/FoC and IDW figures have their bases in other media.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

I, ... I just read that ...
I can't believe you had to explain it so many times and he still didn't get it, I mean how the hell do you buy those toys, read the news and not realize what the f**k they are? I mean FFS, you can't even say he's blind or illiterate since, you know, he's on the internet.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

I, ... I just read that ...
I can't believe you had to explain it so many times and he still didn't get it, I mean how the hell do you buy those toys, read the news and not realize what the f**k they are? I mean FFS, you can't even say he's blind or illiterate since, you know, he's on the internet.

It continued into this thread.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

I, ... I just read that ...
I can't believe you had to explain it so many times and he still didn't get it, I mean how the hell do you buy those toys, read the news and not realize what the f**k they are? I mean FFS, you can't even say he's blind or illiterate since, you know, he's on the internet.

It continued into this thread.

Shenanigans start on pages 3 and 4, if you don't want to take the time looking.

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Not all CHUG (seriously, I don't like that term)

If you ask me, I think just "CHU" would fit better. Or even just "Classics-style". Or, if one wanted to get a little eccentric, "CHUU" or even "CHUURTS". For reasons I've given in that now-infamous Generations Trailcutter video review thread.

I, ... I just read that ...
I can't believe you had to explain it so many times and he still didn't get it, I mean how the hell do you buy those toys, read the news and not realize what the f**k they are? I mean FFS, you can't even say he's blind or illiterate since, you know, he's on the internet.

It continued into this thread.

Shenanigans start on pages 3 and 4, if you don't want to take the time looking.

Only now have I read what happened in the Trailcutter thread Gotta say, some of the comments from the official images thread make a little more sense...

(well... you know what I mean )

Some people are just never going to get it. Sometimes you get a person who is too arrogant to realise that not everyone likes what he/she likes and that befuddles (and possible scares) them so they can't help but be insulting and argumentative.

Best thing to do is ignore them and carry on as if they aren't posting there


As for the CHUG debate, I've never really liked that term myself and prefer Neo-Classics. These days my Neo-Classics set has (what I call) a strong Aligned theme to it with additions inspired from the Aligned Continuity and IDW G1. I don't read many comics but love the toy collecting options they bring and like to mix and match toys from any line if they fit with my personal tastes.

For me, Classics was never G1, it was Classics. A nice homage to characters of old, but something that was looking towards the future. Calling people names because they like to add toys various lines to their "Classics" shelves is small-minded and pathetic in the extreme.

Collecting is a fun and (sometimes) expensive hobby that is in the eye of the beholder (so to speak), so why is there anything wrong with saying I want to put X figure on Y shelf because it pleases me to do so? Sometimes I've been surprised when someone has said they prefer that over this and when they say it just looks better that way to them that's the end of it. Each to their own

Sorry about my little (slightly off topic) rant, couldn't help myself. Btw Sabrblade, you summed it all up really well, nice one

Arctorro wrote:Some people are just never going to get it. Sometimes you get a person who is too arrogant to realise that not everyone likes what he/she likes and that befuddles (and possible scares) them so they can't help but be insulting and argumentative.

Best thing to do is ignore them and carry on as if they aren't posting there

Truth be told, a lot of the more "knowledgeable" members on this forum can come off as arrogant, too. Transformers is one of these fandoms where a person can be in a group with the other fans about wanting a toy, but totally alone in trying to have a decent conversation. This can lead to frustration and lashing out, since the whole purpose for a person to sign up on a forum is to talk to other people. I'm not calling the Trailcutter Discussion a case of this, but it's happened on this site quite a few times.

In more topic related stuff, how the Hell did I miss news about a non-Ruination Whirl figure? C'mon, SDCC!

datguy86 wrote:

Arctorro wrote:Some people are just never going to get it. Sometimes you get a person who is too arrogant to realise that not everyone likes what he/she likes and that befuddles (and possible scares) them so they can't help but be insulting and argumentative.

Best thing to do is ignore them and carry on as if they aren't posting there

Truth be told, a lot of the more "knowledgeable" members on this forum can come off as arrogant, too. Transformers is one of these fandoms where a person can be in a group with the other fans about wanting a toy, but totally alone in trying to have a decent conversation. This can lead to frustration and lashing out, since the whole purpose for a person to sign up on a forum is to talk to other people. I'm not calling the Trailcutter Discussion a case of this, but it's happened on this site quite a few times.

In more topic related stuff, how the Hell did I miss news about a non-Ruination Whirl figure? C'mon, SDCC!

The difference is when someone opens with an insult towards a particular style of collecting. The more "knowledgeable" members, that I've seen, have never done this.

LOL, the point of that thread was lost on most of you. It was a joke. Did you not catch the sarcasm? I later, in the same post, admitted that I too used to be a classifcation nerd like the rest of you. And I still fight that mentality when I see something. But, they are your figures. And I will repeat this yet again. Do what you want. The fact that a few of you took this debate so seriously proves what the point of the thread was all along. That you take these issues way too seriously. Look at my posts before and after that one. You will see I used to share your opinion. And now, I really could care less. Because what is the point? If i tell you that a figure is one continuity and you disagree, what the hell does that prove? Nothing. You have your op and I have mine.

My final and official assessment of this topic, in case anyone wants to try to throw me under the bus going forward, is that they are just TOYS. Who cares what you do with what you own? I mean really? The fact that some argue venomously to the point of namecalling proves that some have some serious growing up to do. Don't feel bad, I ve been there too. Just stop. Its silly. Really silly. But, there is nothing wrong with a good debate, and I like one. As long as the other side doesn't try to stone me for my opinion or the like. And after that debate I realized that some of you cannot be light hearted about the topic of Transformers. Some of you are REALLY into your figures, and I don't share that mentality. I like them, yes, but not to the point where I am going to curse another human being from thinking differently than me about plastic toys.

Y'know, it's kinda hard to pick up on sarcasm on the Internet.

shockblast2 wrote: The fact that some argue venomously to the point of namecalling proves that some have some serious growing up to do.

Yes, you do have some serious growing up to do seeing as your supposed "joke" was were the name calling began and ended

Mindmaster wrote:Y'know, it's kinda hard to pick up on sarcasm on the Internet.

Exactly! Clearly you need to learn a little more about the written language. Next time you want to be sarcastic try leaving the insults out and using some (or all) of these Itaics, as they help to convey sarcasm and emotion.

Arctorro wrote:

shockblast2 wrote: The fact that some argue venomously to the point of namecalling proves that some have some serious growing up to do.

Yes, you do have some serious growing up to do seeing as your supposed "joke" was were the name calling began and ended

Mindmaster wrote:Y'know, it's kinda hard to pick up on sarcasm on the Internet.

Exactly! Clearly you need to learn a little more about the written language. Next time you want to be sarcastic try leaving the insults out and using some (or all) of these Itaics, as they help to convey sarcasm and emotion.

Quote me where I insulted anyone? Where I attacked and demeaned just one member. I never did. All I did was debate the topic. I poked fun at the people who are so in love with G1 that they flip out if you try to suggest that every single generations release is NOT geewun related. And I admitted that is what I was doing to Sabrblade in particular. And as a matter of fact, that debate had nothing to do with the rest of you so what the hell do you care, rather than to rip someone for something because they don't agree with your opinion? I mean really? Did it affect you personally? Were you personally offended that I told Sabrblade that he had geewunitis? Because if you would have read the WHOLE thing you would have seen my post where I continously threw myself under the bus. But, you didn't read that far because you decided to pass personal judgment on me before considering the whole situation, didn't you? I wasn't trying to hate on him for his opinion. And I told him that. As a matter of fact I told him I highly respected him because he feels so strongly about his position. There rest of you? I don't know. You all seem to like to rag someone when you don't read the whole story. Next time, look at the situation as a whole before making a judgment on someone.