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Rodimus Prime wrote:...

Some mod, please slam this thread shut before it's too late...

We're keeping this thread open. It just needs to be moderated.

With everything that's happened recently with this movie, it should show all of us just how much effort gets put into these films.

Shadowman wrote:
Having watched that video several times...it's not Bay's fault. And I really, really hate to say it but it's not the cop's fault either. The guy driving Bumblebee should have heard the sirens and slowed down. Emergency vehicles have right of way when their sirens are on.

Not true.

When an offier is driving with his lights and siren on or "running code 3" it is a request of right of way. It by no means gives them the right of way. it is still their responsibility to to make sure intersections are clear before they inter going against traffic or running a red light. The purpose of lights and sirens are to warn other drivers of their presence and to signal them to move/pull over at the next safe opertunity.
if the news reporter is correct, and the officer had a red light, then he would be deemed at fault. Though this case is a bit different concidering that it was supposed to be a closed movie set. That being said, the whole point of operating on a closed movie set is to prevent things like this from happening. (closed meaning closing the roads to over vehicles)

Autobot032 wrote: The Bumblebee featured in this film is a complete redesign and is not a production model. The movie Bumblebee has been streamlined and parts of it have a significant change from the production model design.

Going to the local dealership ain't gonna cut it.

Well this is true of all the vehicles featured in the movie. All are based off stock vehicles, but then heavily moddified for the film to give them personality. In Bee's case, in the first two movies he was based off the concept Camaro. This time around at least he's based off the production Camaro.(you can tell by the front end placment of the turn signals and grill, as well as the SS brakes, mirrors). He does have custom front and rear bumpers, as well as custom paint and rear wing. But at least the body is of a production car. If this was the first movie and this happened then the'd really be up **** creak as that was a one off concept vehicle that cost well over %1,000,000 to make.
Anyways, its all moot anyways sincce the news reporter said she spoke with the production team and they do have a backup BB avaible.

Vicalliose wrote:I'm simply amused by plastic car. Police truck didn't even flinch.

It didn't show much damage because it's a police vehicle. If I'm not mistaken, they're supposed to have a much more durable chassis.

I would blame the police driver for this one. He would have been aware the area was being used for filming as he would have had to have crossed the blockade. In his defence he had just had a large blue and red truck coming towards him and probably wasnt thinking that Bumblebee would be coming round the junction in that manner.

Hardly think Bumblebee is totalled though, front end gets some attention and should be right as rain. Probably....

the cop was definitely in the wrong, being a native washingtonian, I know dc cops are more coordinated than that, but like a DC cop, the dumbass like to show off they reckless as hell and really could have hurt. I'm not speaking from a fanboy stance but as a civilian. I work in that area and I watch the cops just whip thru traffic like it aint nothing. I wish both drivers a speedy recover, but next time DCPD get it together.

if he had hit prime then it would have been far more serious. peterbilt trucks probably wouldnt have even been dented
either way i wish the officer and the stunt driver a fast recovery

Seibertron wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:...

Some mod, please slam this thread shut before it's too late...

We're keeping this thread open. It just needs to be moderated.

Good. As soon as the poster before my last post brought up that it was the hand of god telling Bay to stop making the movie, I figured that was a huge red flag. But, you got some reliable mods.

Ravage XK wrote:Hardly think Bumblebee is totalled though, front end gets some attention and should be right as rain. Probably....

The camaro is done, if it gets any use it will be for replacing any damaged panels on one of the other 3 or 4 camaros they have available.

The car itself looks to have some frame damage. Its done.

And Ryan, since you popped in here, check your PMs, I sent one regarding the Darth Vader you were looking for.

Assuming the guy in black covering Bee is the driver, I'd say he'll be fine, albeit sore. After all, they woudn't cover up the car with the driver still inside? And the other vehicle drivers are moving their vehicles away yet. Still, hopefully it's not too painful. God bless you guys.


A few months ago my dad and I had a laugh at how easy it is to total cars now. It really doesn't look that bad, does it? But I guess it's probably for safety that the car gets so damaged, eh?

Shadowman wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:I'm simply amused by plastic car. Police truck didn't even flinch.

It didn't show much damage because it's a police vehicle. If I'm not mistaken, they're supposed to have a much more durable chassis.

I realize this but... I just find it amusing. That post seems more and more pointless now.
Maybe it's just because I don't like Chevy?

As for whether or not this is Bay's fault. Can't say unless I actually saw him there. But, technically it could be his fault for leaving the wrong people in charge, or not enough people.

To me it looks like EVERYONE screwed up. The stunt driver, the people in charge of the set, and the police officer, all of them are just individual parts of what caused the accident.

To be fair to the Camaro, cars are not designed to preserve themselves in accidents, they're meant to crumble because it lessens the impact on the driver. It's the exact same reason you see those barrels under the middle of overpasses.

I can't really put myself in the cop's POV to tell if he could have reasonably avoided Bumblebee, but I might have to blame this on the production team. There is no emergency line for the police to call and tell the production a cop's headed their way, however there are people at the barricades with radios normally and should have been able to quickly relay a message to the drivers. Of course they probably had less than 30 seconds to get the message across so it might not be entirely their fault. I hope both drivers are alright. I don't think the cop's injuries are very serious, because he was up and walking around. It might just be regulations he has to follow. And if that guy in the black hood was Bumblebee's driver, he seems to be alright too.

And what's all this higher power crap? Why would a higher power waste its time sabotaging a film shoot that a vocal minority has a problem with when you could be out exploring the breadth and wonders of the universe or watching Keira Knightley in the shower?

Hate to say it, and not tryin' to start a flame war here, but the guy drivin' the Camaro probably shoulda been payin' more attention. Normally(or at least here in the Chi-town area)when Emergency vehicles got the noise and lights goin', all vehicles usually clear the way on both sides of the road, and the intersections stay clear(I'm no expert, this is just what I observe in day to day traffic). Here in the vid, no vehicles stop at all. Yeah it was a movie set, but someone involved with the movie should've noticed that it wasn't part of the movie. Then again, if streets are blocked, it would show up on the cops GPS or whatever(assuming barricades weren't in place). Someone dropped the ball there.

The cop however isn't totally fault free either, if no vehicles are stopping, they do have loud speakers on the vehicles to announce they need people outta the way. But as far as the Camaro goes, if the driver had noticed that this wasn't part of the set(an Emergency vehicle with lights and sirens goin' in the opposite direction of all the other movie vehicles shoulda triggered the thought "Hey something's not right here") he could have at least spared the car. A custom job like that gotta be some huge bank. That, and poor BB, built with no durability, that SUV tore though him like nothin'. Damn shame to see that little or no steal at all exists in brand new cars.

its called fiberglass guys, its meant to get ripped apart like that that.


And there are other side streets so there was no real way to know what street the cop was on simply due to lights and sound. It was a split second timing thing.

TAKE THAT BUMBLEBEE! STOP GETTING REPAINTS!
Also, glad the accident was not worse. Hope everyone's alright... except the camaro. F***ing yellow bastard.

Look I read a few post here and it is defiantly the cops fault. Some posters are say here that well its the BB drivers fault. He should have heard the sires and should give right of way and so on and so on. Its a CLOSED SET. The normal Rules of the road do not apply because its a CLOSED MOVIE SET. The camero could do donuts in the middle or anywhere on the road and it would be just fine because of the CLOSED MOVIE SET. The Normal Rules of the Road do not apply.

Wow, on and on about what's really just a minor subject.


My last thoughts on this is that fans in the DC area might wanna start paying occasional visits to their local self-service junkyards in abut a week or two. There's a chance production will keep it for parts, but there's also the chance it will be scraped after paperwork and insurance is done with it (and after they strip it of all it's TF ornaments). If it's headed for a junkyard, the DC area would make the most sense as it's hard to imagine they'd haul it around to their next shooting location for no reason.

They may never part with it, or it might sit in storage somewhere til the end of time, but you never know.

I could have fainted! What a crash, good lord. I wonder what they will do.

On another note, Optimus looked pretty bad-ass.

kenm2474 wrote:Look I read a few post here and it is defiantly the cops fault. Some posters are say here that well its the BB drivers fault. He should have heard the sires and should give right of way and so on and so on. Its a CLOSED SET. The normal Rules of the road do not apply because its a CLOSED MOVIE SET. The camero could do donuts in the middle or anywhere on the road and it would be just fine because of the CLOSED MOVIE SET. The Normal Rules of the Road do not apply.

actually its not a full closed set, because if it was there wouldn't be ppl that close to the street it happened on unless they had permission to be there. the was another angle that showed ppl just relaxing in the park watching it all go down

dumb cop, most bomb threats/ terror alerts are all fake in america, obama and his administrations use those for political gain just like bush used 9/11 which was also a false flag event, BTW "dark of the moon" is a poopy movie title

chevymantf wrote:dumb cop, most bomb threats/ terror alerts are all fake in america, obama and his administrations use those for political gain just like bush used 9/11 which was also a false flag event, BTW "dark of the moon" is a poopy movie title

Wow, this may have been more off base than the Bay comments in this thread.

Robinson wrote:

kenm2474 wrote:Look I read a few post here and it is defiantly the cops fault. Some posters are say here that well its the BB drivers fault. He should have heard the sires and should give right of way and so on and so on. Its a CLOSED SET. The normal Rules of the road do not apply because its a CLOSED MOVIE SET. The camero could do donuts in the middle or anywhere on the road and it would be just fine because of the CLOSED MOVIE SET. The Normal Rules of the Road do not apply.

actually its not a full closed set, because if it was there wouldn't be ppl that close to the street it happened on unless they had permission to be there. the was another angle that showed ppl just relaxing in the park watching it all go down

People on the set have nothing to do with what the topic is.

kenm2474 wrote:

Robinson wrote:

kenm2474 wrote:Look I read a few post here and it is defiantly the cops fault. Some posters are say here that well its the BB drivers fault. He should have heard the sires and should give right of way and so on and so on. Its a CLOSED SET. The normal Rules of the road do not apply because its a CLOSED MOVIE SET. The camero could do donuts in the middle or anywhere on the road and it would be just fine because of the CLOSED MOVIE SET. The Normal Rules of the Road do not apply.

actually its not a full closed set, because if it was there wouldn't be ppl that close to the street it happened on unless they had permission to be there. the was another angle that showed ppl just relaxing in the park watching it all go down

People on the set have nothing to do with what the topic is.

It does in relation to saying it is a closed set. A closed set you won't have a hundred bystanders within feet of the action.

Therefore the police officer wasnt driving down a fully closed set, he chose the quickest route to get to where he needed to be, and it happened to be the same stert they were filming on.

Roads were closed to traffic yes, set was not closed to the public tho.

Robinson wrote:

kenm2474 wrote:

Robinson wrote:

kenm2474 wrote:Look I read a few post here and it is defiantly the cops fault. Some posters are say here that well its the BB drivers fault. He should have heard the sires and should give right of way and so on and so on. Its a CLOSED SET. The normal Rules of the road do not apply because its a CLOSED MOVIE SET. The camero could do donuts in the middle or anywhere on the road and it would be just fine because of the CLOSED MOVIE SET. The Normal Rules of the Road do not apply.

actually its not a full closed set, because if it was there wouldn't be ppl that close to the street it happened on unless they had permission to be there. the was another angle that showed ppl just relaxing in the park watching it all go down

People on the set have nothing to do with what the topic is.

It does in relation to saying it is a closed set. A closed set you won't have a hundred bystanders within feet of the action.

Therefore the police officer wasnt driving down a fully closed set, he chose the quickest route to get to where he needed to be, and it happened to be the same stert they were filming on.

Roads were closed to traffic yes, set was not closed to the public tho.

Hmm..Ok...You must be trying to get your post count up quicker.