Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Eagleblaster wrote:Them KO's are just bad in all kinds of ways. Some people who are reading this are now checking there mp figures and so am I. Good thing the official masterpieces have that special sticker. I say that if you ever receive a ko, do everything that's in your power to return it.
And I'm watching who I buy from, from now on.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Eagleblaster wrote:(...)
I know this ko issue is due to takara only producing a kind of limited amount of their figures and that people always want them to make a trillion figures and repaints and reissues so that everyone can get a chance to get the toy that they want. And I say no to that, that's decreasing the value of the toy (common example: generations bruticus). I want the toy makers to keep all the toy making to only one or two production runs and only one or no repaints of figures. This might increase the ko problem but for the collector who does get the original toy can see its value go up, up, up.
Mindmaster wrote:Eagleblaster wrote:Them KO's are just bad in all kinds of ways. Some people who are reading this are now checking there mp figures and so am I. Good thing the official masterpieces have that special sticker. I say that if you ever receive a ko, do everything that's in your power to return it.
And I'm watching who I buy from, from now on.
Well, there are two sides to the coin, as the saying goes. KOs can be an acceptable alternative, as long as their quality is excellent. For example, for the past few years, I've been searching for the Classics Voyager Optimus Prime. Those things go for big money here on the internetz. If I had to choose, I'd much rather take a KO that had excellent quality than the real deal that is hard to find and costs moolah.
Now, if the seller advertises as the legit figure, and it turns out to be a KO, then oh yes, there's a special place in hell for sellers such as those.
alldarker wrote:Eagleblaster wrote:(...)
I know this ko issue is due to takara only producing a kind of limited amount of their figures and that people always want them to make a trillion figures and repaints and reissues so that everyone can get a chance to get the toy that they want. And I say no to that, that's decreasing the value of the toy (common example: generations bruticus). I want the toy makers to keep all the toy making to only one or two production runs and only one or no repaints of figures. This might increase the ko problem but for the collector who does get the original toy can see its value go up, up, up.
If you are in the toy collecting game only to see your toys go up in value, you should really start wondering if you are in it for the right reasons. That attitude only leads to scalping: abusing the real or perceived 'limited' or 'exclusive' nature of the availability of a toy.
Luckily, neither Takara or Hasbro thinks that way, and both have been proven to adapt their supply to the demand, with multiple runs of some of their most popular Masterpieces and with Encore reissues of some of the most rare/desired G1 toys. That in fact is the only way to combat KO's: to make enough products so that the demand is sated.
alldarker wrote:Ughh... That sucks. Not that it actually matters, but are these true bootlegs, or repackaged QC-rejects taken/stolen from the official production lines?
I've heard that Tiger Track too has been the subject of QC-rejects having been taken from the factory rejects bin, and then repackaged in counterfeit packaging (no holographic seal on the box), complete with copied instructions and character cards.
BTW, keep in mind that factory QC reject bins are often the source of the newer, sold loose (with no instructions) Transformers and other toys that are offered on eBay and other sites.
alldarker wrote:Eagleblaster wrote:(...)
I know this ko issue is due to takara only producing a kind of limited amount of their figures and that people always want them to make a trillion figures and repaints and reissues so that everyone can get a chance to get the toy that they want. And I say no to that, that's decreasing the value of the toy (common example: generations bruticus). I want the toy makers to keep all the toy making to only one or two production runs and only one or no repaints of figures. This might increase the ko problem but for the collector who does get the original toy can see its value go up, up, up.
If you are in the toy collecting game only to see your toys go up in value, you should really start wondering if you are in it for the right reasons. That attitude only leads to scalping: abusing the real or perceived 'limited' or 'exclusive' nature of the availability of a toy.
Luckily, neither Takara or Hasbro thinks that way, and both have been proven to adapt their supply to the demand, with multiple runs of some of their most popular Masterpieces and with Encore reissues of some of the most rare/desired G1 toys. That in fact is the only way to combat KO's: to make enough products so that the demand is sated.
Stormrider wrote:(...)
Although I may not agree with Eagleblaster completely; Alldarker, who makes the decision what is the right reason to collect Transformers?
Seibertron wrote:The mentality that KOs are OK because you can't afford or find the original absolutely baffles me. It's the same mentality that rationalizes 3rd party products. But those of you who are fans of one and not the other somehow have it worked out in your heads that it is indeed different. It's unfortunate that people try to justify all of this.
Seibertron wrote:The mentality that KOs are OK because you can't afford or find the original absolutely baffles me. It's the same mentality that rationalizes 3rd party products. But those of you who are fans of one and not the other somehow have it worked out in your heads that it is indeed different. It's unfortunate that people try to justify all of this.
Seibertron wrote:The mentality that KOs are OK because you can't afford or find the original absolutely baffles me. It's the same mentality that rationalizes 3rd party products. But those of you who are fans of one and not the other somehow have it worked out in your heads that it is indeed different. It's unfortunate that people try to justify all of this.
Seibertron wrote:The mentality that KOs are OK because you can't afford or find the original absolutely baffles me. It's the same mentality that rationalizes 3rd party products. But those of you who are fans of one and not the other somehow have it worked out in your heads that it is indeed different. It's unfortunate that people try to justify all of this.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
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