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Delicon wrote:One of my best friends in the Transformers fandom is gay, something I didn't realize when I first met him, mainly because he didn't fit into whatever sterotypes I was unfortunately carrying around in my head. Having known him for a couple years now I realize that we have very much in common, far beyond being Transformers fans. I also realize that a lot of things I thought I knew about gay people were totally wrong and I feel bad for him and his partner for some of the things they have to put up with.

It's ironic how it took meeting another adult who liked Transformers toys to help me "grow up" in a lot of my viewpoints but it's absolutely true.

I think this is because most people only think of a gay man as flamboyant and into style or preppy or all of the above. Many different types of gay people, same can be said for straight people. Many usually focus on that because it was what was obvious to most people and I think that is why the way people think is just set into believing that.

I mean..I'm not entirely flamboyant I don't talk in a lisp or anything like that, nor do I run around wearing very tight clothes or whatever lol. I'm not really sure what others think of me though, cuz I personally don't care, I am who I am and nothing will change that. I don't think its a bad thing that it took someone else that made you see it the way you do now, I think its good because it shows that whole different side. People grow in different paces to so I don't think its just limited that you should know something at a certain age because even people that are older then me know less as I know or I act more mature then my mother. XD So I mean it just depends on the type of person you are or how they are. That isn't just in homosexual life but in any sort of lifestyle and life its self.

Let's see I know...1, ...2, ...3 transformers fans who are gay(male). Don't know any lesbian transformers fans, but it's nice to know they're out there. Doesn't help me though. It's so hard finding a transformers girlfriend.

Actually I'd rather have a transformers girl friend than a transformers girlfriend. Not really looking for a relationship. Just someone to hangout with at BotCon/TFCon, who happens to be a girl. I'm a lot like JelZe, I've always been more comfortable around girls. And I like slash, but I don't read it. I just find the pictures amusing. Like the one with Animated Megatron and Shockwave, with Lugnut hiding in the background. I'm still defining my own sexuality(it's a very scary thing to even talk about for me), but I recently learned about a thing called a guydyke which I seem to identify with the most. Basically I'm a fangirl in a fanboys body. XD Curses! If only I was born a girl. My life would probably be a lot easier. :sigh:

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:I mean if there is an article about it don't you think there is a possible transformers romantic relationship going on in at least some of the series, especially the ones that are obvious? They can't reproduce. So what? Who ever said that romantic relationships or..sex was limited to reproduction? After all there are people out there who have sex and they can't reproduce, especially among those homosexuals and transsexuals who become woman or men.

Or just homosexuals that have homosexual relationships!

Dead Metal wrote:And why did we even start to discus this? The topic is about gay TF fans not if TFs get it on with each other. Back on topic please.

Does it matter that the topic evolved?

UltraPrimal wrote:If only I was born a girl. My life would probably be a lot easier. :sigh:

Periods, fending off men all the time, bad hair days, never being able to decide which shoes to wear, not being able to fuel your plastic crack addiction because your shoe addiction gets in the way. Would it really be easier?

Mykltron wrote:

UltraPrimal wrote:If only I was born a girl. My life would probably be a lot easier. :sigh:

Periods, fending off men all the time, bad hair days, never being able to decide which shoes to wear, not being able to fuel your plastic crack addiction because your shoe addiction gets in the way. Would it really be easier?

Thankfully, gay folks never worry about hair or shoes.

I'm really loving this thread. I'm not gay (until about the fifth beer) and to the best of my knowledge I don't have any gay Transfan friends but I'm liking the convival atmosphere.

Mykltron wrote:Periods, fending off men all the time, bad hair days, never being able to decide which shoes to wear, not being able to fuel your plastic crack addiction because your shoe addiction gets in the way. Would it really be easier?

Wait, what's this whole "fending men off all the time" bit? I never got to experience that! More to the point, why would you actually want to fend them off? I'd be busy trying to fend them on...

Diem wrote:

Mykltron wrote:

UltraPrimal wrote:If only I was born a girl. My life would probably be a lot easier. :sigh:

Periods, fending off men all the time, bad hair days, never being able to decide which shoes to wear, not being able to fuel your plastic crack addiction because your shoe addiction gets in the way. Would it really be easier?

Thankfully, gay folks never worry about hair or shoes.

I'm really loving this thread. I'm not gay (until about the fifth beer) and to the best of my knowledge I don't have any gay Transfan friends but I'm liking the convival atmosphere.

Lol some of us do worry about hair and shoes. XD Usually when I think about such things its because I want my self to look a certain way, not for anyone but just for my self. Maybe that's narcissist..but I dunno I just don't care what people think really when it comes to looks about me because its my body and I wanna look the way I wanna look and wear what I wanna wear, but that is really the only extent I go to worrying about my hair or whatever.

Yay I'm glad you like the thread even though your not gay lol. Its gone smoother then I thought these past few days. =3

UltraPrimal wrote: Let's see I know...1, ...2, ...3 transformers fans who are gay(male). Don't know any lesbian transformers fans, but it's nice to know they're out there. Doesn't help me though. It's so hard finding a transformers girlfriend.

Actually I'd rather have a transformers girl friend than a transformers girlfriend. Not really looking for a relationship. Just someone to hangout with at BotCon/TFCon, who happens to be a girl. I'm a lot like JelZe, I've always been more comfortable around girls. And I like slash, but I don't read it. I just find the pictures amusing. Like the one with Animated Megatron and Shockwave, with Lugnut hiding in the background. I'm still defining my own sexuality(it's a very scary thing to even talk about for me), but I recently learned about a thing called a guydyke which I seem to identify with the most. Basically I'm a fangirl in a fanboys body. XD Curses! If only I was born a girl. My life would probably be a lot easier. :sigh:

I'm not sure about the whole guydyke thing, mostly because I don't really know what the term means. XD BUT There are flamboyant guys out there, guys who like men and woman, guys who like girlie men, guys.

One of my really good friends whom is mostly straight, we have this really good friendship to the point that if he was going to do anything with a guy it would probably be with me. He told me that he just don't feel anything towards any other guy like that besides my self. Its weird..but apparently it happens. I think the term for that is polysexual, which is similar to pansexual.

Pansexual is where you like everyone reguardless of their sexual orentation or gender or anything. Polysexual is the same but you only like SOME people baised on their personality and the type of person they are so its not as wide as pansexual but its similar.

My best advice when discovering your self in that area is basically..if you like guys that way and they turn you on then..your either gay or half gay cuz if you like girls the same way to..then you'd be under bisexual or one of the other two sexualities. Its a very complicated thing to figure out to if you ever need help just let me know I'll be glad to chat about it. =3

Diem wrote:I'm really loving this thread. I'm not gay (until about the fifth beer) and to the best of my knowledge I don't have any gay Transfan friends but I'm liking the convival atmosphere.

I am too. It reminds me of Seibertron from years back.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It's simple really, I have a bi-gender mind, 50% male and 50% female. Physically I'm male, but my mannerisms are mostly female. This affects my personal portrayal on the net a bit: I feel uncomfy using anything male, so I use female or androgynous (if possible) avatars instead for interaction. You guessed it: I'm an online crossdresser

I still mostly like girls, mind you, but I do have friends online who crossdress or even had surgery done (yes, I did consider dating one). My wife is into such guys more than the regular ones, so she's perfectly fine with it.

Recognise any of this? I did for the longest time. Until I thought of something else - it's all just a stereotype. I'm not going to confuse what society calls feminine (or attributes to femininity) and being "female". If I was going to fit into a nice box with a label on it, Transgendered may be that box in many cases, in others definately not. It's also important not to fall for the stereotype that feminine males or transgenders are homosexual, either.

I am personally not gay, but I know lots of people who are. My home town is Brighton, naturally.

Amelie wrote:

Diem wrote:I'm really loving this thread. I'm not gay (until about the fifth beer) and to the best of my knowledge I don't have any gay Transfan friends but I'm liking the convival atmosphere.

I am too. It reminds me of Seibertron from years back.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It's simple really, I have a bi-gender mind, 50% male and 50% female. Physically I'm male, but my mannerisms are mostly female. This affects my personal portrayal on the net a bit: I feel uncomfy using anything male, so I use female or androgynous (if possible) avatars instead for interaction. You guessed it: I'm an online crossdresser

I still mostly like girls, mind you, but I do have friends online who crossdress or even had surgery done (yes, I did consider dating one). My wife is into such guys more than the regular ones, so she's perfectly fine with it.

Recognise any of this? I did for the longest time. Until I thought of something else - it's all just a stereotype. I'm not going to confuse what society calls feminine (or attributes to femininity) and being "female". If I was going to fit into a nice box with a label on it, Transgendered may be that box in many cases, in others definately not. It's also important not to fall for the stereotype that feminine males or transgenders are homosexual, either.

I am personally not gay, but I know lots of people who are. My home town is Brighton, naturally.

Well in the big scheme of things, genitalia is just simply "gods" way of accessorizing. XD As people mentally and emotionally we are who we are regardless of physical looks. We are..individual sparks. ;D

Amelie wrote:

Diem wrote:I'm really loving this thread. I'm not gay (until about the fifth beer) and to the best of my knowledge I don't have any gay Transfan friends but I'm liking the convival atmosphere.

I am too. It reminds me of Seibertron from years back.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It's simple really, I have a bi-gender mind, 50% male and 50% female. Physically I'm male, but my mannerisms are mostly female. This affects my personal portrayal on the net a bit: I feel uncomfy using anything male, so I use female or androgynous (if possible) avatars instead for interaction. You guessed it: I'm an online crossdresser

I still mostly like girls, mind you, but I do have friends online who crossdress or even had surgery done (yes, I did consider dating one). My wife is into such guys more than the regular ones, so she's perfectly fine with it.

Recognise any of this? I did for the longest time. Until I thought of something else - it's all just a stereotype. I'm not going to confuse what society calls feminine (or attributes to femininity) and being "female". If I was going to fit into a nice box with a label on it, Transgendered may be that box in many cases, in others definately not. It's also important not to fall for the stereotype that feminine males or transgenders are homosexual, either.

I am personally not gay, but I know lots of people who are. My home town is Brighton, naturally.

Girl, that's what I have in one of my online profiles. Still don't know what to do with the revelation tho, or even how to construct my avi without looking too girly

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:

Elita One wrote:

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:Heres a weird personal question.. Those of you who are gay, bi, ect, are you out to the rest of the TF community and those not part of it or only a select few? (random)

Im not out to many people about being bi. On another message board I post on there are a few who know but anyone else I know either on or offline don't Ive hinted at times but never fully come out and said it.

Because of comfort level or just cuz you don't really think about it?

A bit of both. To put simply Im in a few 'closets' (not necessarily GLBTIQ related) that Iam afraid to come of because of peoples judging and perceptions of what folks from certain groups are 'so called 'like. Let just say for one of them I don't fit at all but if I said I would be treated in a not so nice way. So it's hush hush.

Elita One wrote:

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:

Elita One wrote:

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:Heres a weird personal question.. Those of you who are gay, bi, ect, are you out to the rest of the TF community and those not part of it or only a select few? (random)

Im not out to many people about being bi. On another message board I post on there are a few who know but anyone else I know either on or offline don't Ive hinted at times but never fully come out and said it.

Because of comfort level or just cuz you don't really think about it?

A bit of both. To put simply Im in a few 'closets' (not necessarily GLBTIQ related) that Iam afraid to come of because of peoples judging and perceptions of what folks from certain groups are 'so called 'like. Let just say for one of them I don't fit at all but if I said I would be treated in a not so nice way. So it's hush hush.

I remember when I was in that position. It turned out better then I thought in some sorta weird ways. So if you ever need any advice about coming out or whatever then you can talk to me if you feel comfortable enough doing so. =3 I know how difficult it can become. @.@

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Still don't know what to do with the revelation

Neither do I. I realised I wasn't like other males (or females) when I was in my mid-teens. I had to keep it pretty well hidden, though - which probably did me lasting damage. I should've just put up with the **** I'd have got. I still think two, three or four times before I act - it's a bad habit, because the things I want to say and do, get bottled up. I'd liken it to Plato's cave - only the shadows are normally seen.

Amusingly enough - my first girlfriend was rather...masculine in a lot of her manners. Aggressive, confrontational, brash. Should've met her 10 years later - she filled the holes I felt I had. I'm over that now, but I'm still in bad habits.

I guess the desire to be socially acceptable can really make you do the stupidest things.

Amelie wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Still don't know what to do with the revelation

Neither do I. I realised I wasn't like other males (or females) when I was in my mid-teens. I had to keep it pretty well hidden, though - which probably did me lasting damage. I should've just put up with the **** I'd have got. I still think two, three or four times before I act - it's a bad habit, because the things I want to say and do, get bottled up. I'd liken it to Plato's cave - only the shadows are normally seen.

Amusingly enough - my first girlfriend was rather...masculine in a lot of her manners. Aggressive, confrontational, brash. Should've met her 10 years later - she filled the holes I felt I had. I'm over that now, but I'm still in bad habits.

I guess the desire to be socially acceptable can really make you do the stupidest things.

I think the best way to be is your self, which means being who you are no matter what anyone says. Lots of people will not like the idea but this will show you who your real friends are and who really cares about you because those who don't care and like you for who you are are the people to keep around while the ones who do not aren't worth your time. Being accepted..its over rated. When you be who you are you discover a whole new sense of self within your self. =3 I know from experience. x3

Ironically when I was a kid a number of my classmates thought I was a lesbian due to my tomboyishness and having several male friends but no boyfriend... not realizing that the reason I didn't have a boyfriend was because guys aren't interested in me, rather than because I'm not interested in guys.

As for my girlfriend, nobody's been too bothered about the revelation, and a few of our mutual friends were even like, "We actually thought you'd already been dating all along." But then, living in MA helps.

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:

Elita One wrote:

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:

Elita One wrote:

Ravenous Nightwind wrote:Heres a weird personal question.. Those of you who are gay, bi, ect, are you out to the rest of the TF community and those not part of it or only a select few? (random)

Im not out to many people about being bi. On another message board I post on there are a few who know but anyone else I know either on or offline don't Ive hinted at times but never fully come out and said it.

Because of comfort level or just cuz you don't really think about it?

A bit of both. To put simply Im in a few 'closets' (not necessarily GLBTIQ related) that Iam afraid to come of because of peoples judging and perceptions of what folks from certain groups are 'so called 'like. Let just say for one of them I don't fit at all but if I said I would be treated in a not so nice way. So it's hush hush.

I remember when I was in that position. It turned out better then I thought in some sorta weird ways. So if you ever need any advice about coming out or whatever then you can talk to me if you feel comfortable enough doing so. =3 I know how difficult it can become. @.@

Thankyou. I'll PM you if I ever have any questions.

I think the biggest part about being who we are, not just in sexuality but as people to is worrying about other people and what is accepted. I think this is because we feel like we need to be..but in reality I figured out that we shouldn't have to be accepted in order to live and be happy. I think a lot of people think of this idea as sort of rebellious so I think that is partly the reason why many look at me strange because I do not tone down my sense of self of who I am in any sort of way. Everyone in here even if your straight needs to know its okay to be who you are. For me, that is being silly and coming up with these wild ideas lol. Then again..there is more to me then just all that and what people have witnessed here. My point is, you don't have to be accepted to live because acceptance in life is already there with other people, and if its not it shortly comes when you start accepting your self. The more you discover about your self the more it draws other people who are individual.

Jeysie wrote:Ironically when I was a kid a number of my classmates thought I was a lesbian due to my tomboyishness and having several male friends but no boyfriend... not realizing that the reason I didn't have a boyfriend was because guys aren't interested in me, rather than because I'm not interested in guys.

Hahaha, that sounds like my life. Of course, I never really tried to defend myself, just because I don't really care... it doesn't bother me if people mistake me for a lesbian. I tend to live by a "don't ask, don't tell" rule now. If someone actually ASKS "Um, ARE you a lesbian?" I'll tell them no. But if they just say "Um, I can't tell if you're a lesbian or not" I'll just laugh and smile.

Dorca wrote:

Jeysie wrote:Ironically when I was a kid a number of my classmates thought I was a lesbian due to my tomboyishness and having several male friends but no boyfriend... not realizing that the reason I didn't have a boyfriend was because guys aren't interested in me, rather than because I'm not interested in guys.

Hahaha, that sounds like my life. Of course, I never really tried to defend myself, just because I don't really care... it doesn't bother me if people mistake me for a lesbian. I tend to live by a "don't ask, don't tell" rule now. If someone actually ASKS "Um, ARE you a lesbian?" I'll tell them no. But if they just say "Um, I can't tell if you're a lesbian or not" I'll just laugh and smile.

Lol what kinda idiot says that they can't tell if your a lesbian? XD That's just..strange.

I have hesitated posting in this thread because I wanted to see how it was handled....and, I must admit, it's been quite interesting to read and lacks the insipid trollery I was expecting! Way to go, folks!

Jeysie wrote:Ironically when I was a kid a number of my classmates thought I was a lesbian due to my tomboyishness and having several male friends but no boyfriend... not realizing that the reason I didn't have a boyfriend was because guys aren't interested in me...

I was in the same boat when I was younger as well. I was called "homo" and "queer" because most of my friends were guys, and none of them were the slightest bit interested in me in anything other than a friend (and, truth be told, I was rarely interested in any of them outside of friendship either)....I was just seen as "another one of the guys". Now that I am older, I find the same people that were guilty of bashing me and calling me names as a teenager are now suddenly finding me attractive....and I find them still repulsive. Old habits are hard to break, I guess.

I have never once in my entire life found a person's sexual orientation an issue. I never ask and I never wonder about it....It just isn't something I take into consideration when I meet a person. If they chose to "come out" to me, that is their decision..If they were my friend before, such a revelation will not change that in the slightest.

My view on love is pretty broad....I never limit my options, since love is one of those things one should never put limits on....I do prefer men over women, but love is as it is...genderless and wonderful.

Pyrostrata wrote:I was in the same boat when I was younger as well. I was called "homo" and "queer" because most of my friends were guys, and none of them were the slightest bit interested in me in anything other than a friend (and, truth be told, I was rarely interested in any of them outside of friendship either)....I was just seen as "another one of the guys". Now that I am older, I find the same people that were guilty of bashing me and calling me names as a teenager are now suddenly finding me attractive....and I find them still repulsive. Old habits are hard to break, I guess.

*backpedals a little* While I have sympathy for anyone who was bashed, I have to clarify that the people who thought I was a lesbian weren't making fun of me; it was more of a matter-of-fact thing. Like, whenever they found out I actually was interested in guys, they'd go, "Oh, huh, I always thought you were more into girls, cause..." (But then, this is MA... being gay or bi isn't usually that big of a deal.)

Which was always ironic, since I was--and still am--pretty Boy Crazy. Just an extremely frustrated Boy Crazy, due to it never being reciprocated.

Pyrostrata wrote:I have hesitated posting in this thread because I wanted to see how it was handled....and, I must admit, it's been quite interesting to read and lacks the insipid trollery I was expecting! Way to go, folks!

Jeysie wrote:Ironically when I was a kid a number of my classmates thought I was a lesbian due to my tomboyishness and having several male friends but no boyfriend... not realizing that the reason I didn't have a boyfriend was because guys aren't interested in me...

I was in the same boat when I was younger as well. I was called "homo" and "queer" because most of my friends were guys, and none of them were the slightest bit interested in me in anything other than a friend (and, truth be told, I was rarely interested in any of them outside of friendship either)....I was just seen as "another one of the guys". Now that I am older, I find the same people that were guilty of bashing me and calling me names as a teenager are now suddenly finding me attractive....and I find them still repulsive. Old habits are hard to break, I guess.

I have never once in my entire life found a person's sexual orientation an issue. I never ask and I never wonder about it....It just isn't something I take into consideration when I meet a person. If they chose to "come out" to me, that is their decision..If they were my friend before, such a revelation will not change that in the slightest.

My view on love is pretty broad....I never limit my options, since love is one of those things one should never put limits on....I do prefer men over women, but love is as it is...genderless and wonderful.

Lol i was a bit nervous about how it turned out because I didn't know how people were around here about the idea of even thinking there are other gay fans out there lol.

I happen to agree on everything you said though, I think its super awesome you think that way. x3 Except..to think about a woman that way is sort of..ew to me, not that I haven't tried..cuz uh..yeah.. ^^;; but from that experience I know where I stand with my self and that me liking me only isn't a limitation but just the way I am. =3 Everyone who has posted in here is awesome!!! Extra energon goodies for everyone! XD

Jeysie wrote:

Pyrostrata wrote:I was in the same boat when I was younger as well. I was called "homo" and "queer" because most of my friends were guys, and none of them were the slightest bit interested in me in anything other than a friend (and, truth be told, I was rarely interested in any of them outside of friendship either)....I was just seen as "another one of the guys". Now that I am older, I find the same people that were guilty of bashing me and calling me names as a teenager are now suddenly finding me attractive....and I find them still repulsive. Old habits are hard to break, I guess.

*backpedals a little* While I have sympathy for anyone who was bashed, I have to clarify that the people who thought I was a lesbian weren't making fun of me; it was more of a matter-of-fact thing. Like, whenever they found out I actually was interested in guys, they'd go, "Oh, huh, I always thought you were more into girls, cause..." (But then, this is MA... being gay or bi isn't usually that big of a deal.)

Which was always ironic, since I was--and still am--pretty Boy Crazy. Just an extremely frustrated Boy Crazy, due to it never being reciprocated.

Yeah but there are some situations where they are actually making fun of you for being that way. Cuz I been in some situations like that and it wasn't very nice at all..so it just depends on the tone its being said in and the attitude being put out. >.< People are so mean sometimes. But then there can also be misconceptions.

Jeysie wrote:[this is MA... being gay or bi isn't usually that big of a deal.

Y'know, it's funny - I live in what is called the "Gay Capital of Britain", yet I went to a school where "queer-bashing" (perceived was enough) was a pretty common enough problem. If I lived two miles east, it would've been very different - I was just lucky enough to get put into one of the roughest schools in the county.

I personally don't mind someone taking the piss out of me if it's something I can help (I can usually have a little giggle at myself), when when it's about sexuality\gender, something that can't be helped - that for me, is beyond the pale.

Anyone up for a chat with me on yahoo? =o