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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Of course, the first time it happened turned out to be the SG version of the character as a surprise twist reveal, and it only happened that first time because BotCon at the time was limited to using pre-existing molds repainted with or without new heads, unlike Hasbro proper who can create all the new molds that they want.

This got me looking over Alpha Trion's entry on Tfwiki. I had no idea that the first widely-available G1 Alpha Trion toy was the Legacy toy in 2022, almost 40 years after the character debuted.

Of course, this is excluding the legends toys that barely resemble the character that came with Sovereign and Ultra Magnus

Beyond that, the first widely-available Alpha Trion toy G1 or otherwise only released three years earlier in 2019 with the Cyberverse line

What about the Titans Return toy?

Also, the Legacy toy was a PulseCon 2022 exclusive 2-pack with Orion Pax.

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Of course, this is excluding the legends toys that barely resemble the character that came with Sovereign and Ultra Magnus

What about the Titans Return toy?

Ah, I misread the Tfwiki page. Its listed as 'Autobot Sovereign & Alpha Trion', so without looking too closely at the image, I assumed Sovereign was the big bot and Alpha Trion was a small toy, like with Legends Ultra Magnus.

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Of course, this is excluding the legends toys that barely resemble the character that came with Sovereign and Ultra Magnus

What about the Titans Return toy?

Ah, I misread the Tfwiki page. Its listed as 'Autobot Sovereign & Alpha Trion', so without looking too closely at the image, I assumed Sovereign was the big bot and Alpha Trion was a small toy, like with Legends Ultra Magnus.

Yeah, for some reason, every single toy in Titans Return had the little Titan Master's name listed first on the packaging.

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Of course, this is excluding the legends toys that barely resemble the character that came with Sovereign and Ultra Magnus

What about the Titans Return toy?

Ah, I misread the Tfwiki page. Its listed as 'Autobot Sovereign & Alpha Trion', so without looking too closely at the image, I assumed Sovereign was the big bot and Alpha Trion was a small toy, like with Legends Ultra Magnus.

Yeah, for some reason, every single toy in Titans Return had the little Titan Master's name listed first on the packaging.

Wasn't it because in canon technically the Titan Master was the living character and the larger bot was considered just a vehicle, much like in the Japanese Headmasters and Masterforce? IIRC that's how IDW handled Sentinel in fiction.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Of course, this is excluding the legends toys that barely resemble the character that came with Sovereign and Ultra Magnus

What about the Titans Return toy?

Ah, I misread the Tfwiki page. Its listed as 'Autobot Sovereign & Alpha Trion', so without looking too closely at the image, I assumed Sovereign was the big bot and Alpha Trion was a small toy, like with Legends Ultra Magnus.

Yeah, for some reason, every single toy in Titans Return had the little Titan Master's name listed first on the packaging.

Wasn't it because in canon technically the Titan Master was the living character and the larger bot was considered just a vehicle, much like in the Japanese Headmasters and Masterforce? IIRC that's how IDW handled Sentinel in fiction.

IDW did do that with Sentinel, yes, but Hasbro proper stuck to the notion of the body and head being partners who were both alive, which was reflected in the Titans Return marketing material and also seen in the Machinima Titans Return cartoon in which Fortress Maximus and the Titan Master Emissary were separate living individuals who could function independently from each other.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, for some reason, every single toy in Titans Return had the little Titan Master's name listed first on the packaging.

Wasn't it because in canon technically the Titan Master was the living character and the larger bot was considered just a vehicle, much like in the Japanese Headmasters and Masterforce? IIRC that's how IDW handled Sentinel in fiction.

IDW did do that with Sentinel, yes, but Hasbro proper stuck to the notion of the body and head being partners who were both alive, which was reflected in the Titans Return marketing material and also seen in the Machinima Titans Return cartoon in which Fortress Maximus and the Titan Master Emissary were separate living individuals who could function independently from each other.

I try to erase that cartoon from my memory banks. Redneck Overlord was funny at 1st but now it's just ridiculous. So I was going mainly by the IDW comic.

o.supreme wrote:^Well that's unfortunate. Unless his combiner gimmick is going to harken back to CW/UW/Potp, which I seriously doubt. Would be kind of odd that the Prime of Combiners wouldn't be combining with anything. I guess another option is, as a voyager he could be just a parts-former ala Trashmaster.

Since he seems to have all three spots in that Voyager case to himself based on the leaks, I'm wondering if Nexus is gonna do a bot-mode version of the Reflector thing, where you're intended to get multiples of the figure and combine them with each other to make a bigger Nexus. No idea how actually feasible it'd be engineering-wise, but it's a cool idea.

Maybe I'll be like the power core combiners
Torso bot with limb drones

This may be old news now, but I hadn't looked for AotP Silverbolt on Amazon for at least a few weeks. But randomly looking for other TF items, the listing showed up. Basically $98 with tax in the U.S.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DM6WPMLF?re ... asin_title

Still wondering what happened with the first listing where delivery was supposed to happen in the first couple weeks of April. Either way, just funny that now this will be one of the last figures I get for the year, with delivery scheduled for November 3rd. Of course, it may show up early, but hopefully not too close to the SS CC Constructicon set.

Sowndwave76 wrote:This may be old news now, but I hadn't looked for AotP Silverbolt on Amazon for at least a few weeks. But randomly looking for other TF items, the listing showed up. Basically $98 with tax in the U.S.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DM6WPMLF?re ... asin_title

Still wondering what happened with the first listing where delivery was supposed to happen in the first couple weeks of April. Either way, just funny that now this will be one of the last figures I get for the year, with delivery scheduled for November 3rd. Of course, it may show up early, but hopefully not too close to the SS CC Constructicon set.

The original Listing sold out at some point which is why you couldn't find it, but looks like Amazon secured more stock for pre-orders. I pre-ordered from the original posting that was clearly flat out wrong for saying due in April. It sat in limbo with no delivery date until a week or 2 ago when they confirmed the new estimated delivery in November. So whatever you are seeing now is the same listing, just available again.

So, I ended up getting Solus as well as the 2 aerialbots. I was going to skip the aerialbots, but I saw air raid at target and ended up being attracted to him in person. After that, I got Slingshot.

Of the 3, I think my favorite is Slingshot. The first aerialbot to not be a robot under a jet! All 3 are fun, with Air Raid being the weakest, but all are fun and worth it.

I am also glad I went in on aerialbots with Skybound bringing in the team.

Also got to show off Red Alert and the Fallen. Red is solid, if a bit lacking thanks to the gimmicks. He feels more like Megs where the lack of gimmicks kinda outweighs his improvements. The Fallen is simply spectacular.

I also got G2 Grimlock, still a solid mold, I love the blue.

Also, I have started accumulating photos of my Primes. One could say we have a real Prime War on our hands.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:This may be old news now, but I hadn't looked for AotP Silverbolt on Amazon for at least a few weeks. But randomly looking for other TF items, the listing showed up. Basically $98 with tax in the U.S.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DM6WPMLF?re ... asin_title

Still wondering what happened with the first listing where delivery was supposed to happen in the first couple weeks of April. Either way, just funny that now this will be one of the last figures I get for the year, with delivery scheduled for November 3rd. Of course, it may show up early, but hopefully not too close to the SS CC Constructicon set.

The original Listing sold out at some point which is why you couldn't find it, but looks like Amazon secured more stock for pre-orders. I pre-ordered from the original posting that was clearly flat out wrong for saying due in April. It sat in limbo with no delivery date until a week or 2 ago when they confirmed the new estimated delivery in November. So whatever you are seeing now is the same listing, just available again.

I had my preorder secured as soon as that listing was available... I was part of the group who had this figure supposedly being delivered and that same day it was canceled. There was no "in-limbo" period for my order. It went from shipped to "delivery by 9pm tonight" to canceled.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:This may be old news now, but I hadn't looked for AotP Silverbolt on Amazon for at least a few weeks. But randomly looking for other TF items, the listing showed up. Basically $98 with tax in the U.S.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DM6WPMLF?re ... asin_title

Still wondering what happened with the first listing where delivery was supposed to happen in the first couple weeks of April. Either way, just funny that now this will be one of the last figures I get for the year, with delivery scheduled for November 3rd. Of course, it may show up early, but hopefully not too close to the SS CC Constructicon set.

The original Listing sold out at some point which is why you couldn't find it, but looks like Amazon secured more stock for pre-orders. I pre-ordered from the original posting that was clearly flat out wrong for saying due in April. It sat in limbo with no delivery date until a week or 2 ago when they confirmed the new estimated delivery in November. So whatever you are seeing now is the same listing, just available again.

I had my preorder secured as soon as that listing was available... I was part of the group who had this figure supposedly being delivered and that same day it was canceled. There was no "in-limbo" period for my order. It went from shipped to "delivery by 9pm tonight" to canceled.

I was in the same group as you and ordered immediately, just mine never got cancelled. Mine went from delivery tonight to "we're sorry for the delay and will let you know when we have a new delivery date." The same thing happened for Titan Star Optimus, except he's still in limbo. No clue how Amazon decided what to cancel and what to leave stuck in limbo.

The 2-pack with Spinister and Topspin was supposed to get here in August and I got an email telling me it will be delivered on Monday. I look forward to it, but I wish Amazon had a feature that requires the customer to confirm the delivery date changes, as I was not expecting to spend the extra $54 this week.

Rodimus Prime wrote:The 2-pack with Spinister and Topspin was supposed to get here in August and I got an email telling me it will be delivered on Monday. I look forward to it, but I wish Amazon had a feature that requires the customer to confirm the delivery date changes, as I was not expecting to spend the extra $54 this week.

Neither was I

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:The 2-pack with Spinister and Topspin was supposed to get here in August and I got an email telling me it will be delivered on Monday. I look forward to it, but I wish Amazon had a feature that requires the customer to confirm the delivery date changes, as I was not expecting to spend the extra $54 this week.

Neither was I

Carnivac and Fisitron also got moved up, so I'm up to an extra $108 this week.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:The 2-pack with Spinister and Topspin was supposed to get here in August and I got an email telling me it will be delivered on Monday. I look forward to it, but I wish Amazon had a feature that requires the customer to confirm the delivery date changes, as I was not expecting to spend the extra $54 this week.

Neither was I

Carnivac and Fisitron also got moved up, so I'm up to an extra $108 this week.

Glad I split my pair between Amazon and Pulse, they're still saying August for that set.

Emerje

Got the notice for mine as well.

Also got notice my Star Convoy from Amazon should now arrive on the 13th

The Studio Series listings already got posted, but we also got new 2026 Age of the Primes listings from JTPrime17 as well, and they are....actually a bit confusing.

No AOTP Titan in 2026. That’s because Studio Series is getting its first Titan instead. AOTP will have 2 Commanders instead.

TRA GEN PRIME VOY SWINDLE
Product Code: G2002

TRA GEN PRIME VOY VECTOR PRIME
Product Code: G2003

TRA GEN PRIME DLX JALOPY
Product Code: G2009

TRA GEN PRIME DLX JOYRIDE
Product Code G2013

TRA GEN PRIME DLX TAILGATE
Product Code: G2014

TRA GEN PRIME DLX POINTBLANK (Perhaps the Headmasters-based alt head release that was cancelled before?)
Product Code: G2016

TRA GEN PRIME DLX FANGRY
Product Code: G2017

TRA GEN PRIME LDR ARMADA MEGATRON
Product Code: G2783

TRA GEN PRIME LDR UNICRON SOLDIER
Product Number: G2784

TRA GEN PRIME LDR LIEGE MAXIMO
Product Number: G1908

TRA GEN PRIMES CMDR 1 (Onslaught) (We knew he was coming, but we didn't have his product number last time)
Product Number: G1966

TRA GEN PRIMES CMDR 2
Product Number: G1972

Age of the Primes exclusives:

TRA GEN RETRO WHEELIE
Product Number: G2258

TRA GEN RETRO OUTBACK
Product Number: G2259

TRA GEN SELECTS COMBINER
Product Number: G2265

TRA GEN SELECTS MULTIPACK
Product Number: G2266

TRA GEN TIMELINES OPTIMUS AND STARSCREAM
Product Number: G2268

TRA GEN DTC TIMELINES 4
Product Number: G2269

TRA GEN SKY
Product Number: G2270

TRA GEN SDCC 1
Product Number: G2271

TRA GEN AOTP SENTINEL ARTIFACT PACK
Product Number: G2931

TRA GEN DTC PRO PACK
Product Number: G3267

TRA GEN BW PREDACON MULTIPACK
Product Number: G3285

TRA GEN RED ALERT MINICON PACK
Product Number: G3288

TRA GEN AOTP ENERGON 4
Product Number: G3363

For all this to add up with what we already had, we're looking at 2 5-Deluxe waves (something we haven't seen since Siege Wave 5) and a 3-Voyager wave somewhere in here. Tried to fit it in with the previous stuff based on product numbers and got this:
Anyone got any ideas who "Jalopy" and "Unicron Soldier" are? I can't find any specific characters that already exist using either name. I thought the Soldier might be a Prime Terrorcon at first, but I don't know why the listing wouldn't just say that, and I don't remember any of the generic/non-Skyquake ones being that big anyway.

Totally swallowed my post.

Nemesis Primal wrote:The Studio Series listings already got posted, but we also got new 2026 Age of the Primes listings from JTPrime17 as well, and they are....actually a bit confusing.

No AOTP Titan in 2026. That’s because Studio Series is getting its first Titan instead. AOTP will have 2 Commanders instead.

TRA GEN PRIME VOY SWINDLE
Product Code: G2002

We knew he was coming until Vortex usurped his spot.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME VOY VECTOR PRIME
Product Code: G2003

Galaxy Force Colors surely.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME DLX JALOPY
Prod\uct Code: G2009

Unknown. Probably just a placeholder.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME DLX JOYRIDE
Product Code G2013

Ooh, Powermasters.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME DLX TAILGATE
Product Code: G2014

Suggesting a Windcharger may be coming.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME DLX POINTBLANK (Perhaps the Headmasters-based alt head release that was cancelled before?)
Product Code: G2016

Re-do since the previous one was universally panned?

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME DLX FANGRY
Product Code: G2017

Why? From that set, the one to pull out make generality available should have been Cliffjumper, not Fangry.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME LDR ARMADA MEGATRON
Product Code: G2783

Odd, not sure it has an y other repaints beyond galavtron. Don't think they'd ego for the Black Megatron though.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME LDR UNICRON SOLDIER
Product Number: G2784

Cybertron Tank Unicron maybe?

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME LDR LIEGE MAXIMO
Product Number: G1908

Interesting he's a leader class.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIMES CMDR 1 (Onslaught) (We knew he was coming, but we didn't have his product number last time)
Product Number: G1966

Can't wait for him.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIMES CMDR 2
Product Number: G1972

Interesting

Nemesis Primal wrote:Age of the Primes exclusives:

TRA GEN RETRO WHEELIE
Product Number: G2258

Why is he an exclusive?

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN RETRO OUTBACK
Product Number: G2259

Reminds me I still need to find a Brawn.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN SELECTS COMBINER
Product Number: G2265

G2 Superion?

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN SELECTS MULTIPACK
Product Number: G2266

Random bots in a set.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN TIMELINES OPTIMUS AND STARSCREAM
Product Number: G2268

Follow up to Hearts of Steel.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN DTC TIMELINES 4
Product Number: G2269

No doubt the Megatron and Bee in whatever new style they give to the above 2-pack.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN SKY
Product Number: G2270

Sky? Byte? Warp? Reign? Blast? Fire? Lynx? Garry?

TRA GEN SDCC 1
Product Number: G2271

Another set I'll never own.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN AOTP SENTINEL ARTIFACT PACK
Product Number: G2931

weapon / accessory pack like Centurion?

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN DTC PRO PACK
Product Number: G3267

Direct to Consumer Pro pack? Interesting.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN BW PREDACON MULTIPACK
Product Number: G3285

More Tarantulas and Terrorsaurs no doubt.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN RED ALERT MINICON PACK
Product Number: G3288

Powerrlinx with Long Arm.

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN AOTP ENERGON 4
Product Number: G3363

Too vague.

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Overcracker wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME LDR ARMADA MEGATRON
Product Code: G2783

Odd, not sure it has an y other repaints beyond galavtron. Don't think they'd ego for the Black Megatron though.

Could just be a simple package refresh of the normal Armada Megatron from Legacy Evolution. Not entirely sure why, though, since he wasn't particularly hard to find.

Overcracker wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Age of the Primes exclusives:

TRA GEN RETRO WHEELIE
Product Number: G2258

Why is he an exclusive?

Same reason Bumblebee and Gears were: because the Retro line is exclusive to Walmart.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:TRA GEN PRIME LDR ARMADA MEGATRON
Product Code: G2783

Odd, not sure it has an y other repaints beyond galavtron. Don't think they'd ego for the Black Megatron though.

Could just be a simple package refresh of the normal Armada Megatron from Legacy Evolution. Not entirely sure why, though, since he wasn't particularly hard to find.

Overcracker wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Age of the Primes exclusives:

TRA GEN RETRO WHEELIE
Product Number: G2258

Why is he an exclusive?

Same reason Bumblebee and Gears were: because the Retro line is exclusive to Walmart.

I thought they weren't doing straight PRs anymore.


We don't have a deluxe wheelie like Gears or Bumblebee , so either they're using the Core class, not sure anyone is "wheeling" to pay 25 bucks for , or they're making a new mold that starts off being exclusive.
Much like VW Bee for Netflix.

Also, likely a two tone orange deco with an orange face then to be toy accurate.

Wow, I'm going to save so much money next year! Only must haves are Tailgate and maybe Outback.
Hopefully Windcharger is sooner rather than later. Curious what the second Commander will be.

Retro Wheelie is what surprises me, are they going to make an new actual DLX version of him? Because the current version isn't worth $25 IMO. If so I just might get it. Also, I'm still waiting on Seaspray!

Oh, are there anymore Primes coming in AOTP? I see Vector listed but isn't that just a reissue of Legacy figure? I was thinking that I wouldn't mind a G1 version of Sentinel Prime, or Titans Return version.

Overcracker wrote:I thought they weren't doing straight PRs anymore.

The chart posted above by Nemesis Primal shows otherwise.

Overcracker wrote:We don't have a deluxe wheelie like Gears or Bumblebee , so either they're using the Core class, not sure anyone is "wheeling" to pay 25 bucks for , or they're making a new mold that starts off being exclusive.
Much like VW Bee for Netflix.

Therein lies the mystery of what his toy will be, but the notion of it being a Walmart exclusive was a given by its being a Retro figure.

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Till-all-R1 wrote:Oh, are there anymore Primes coming in AOTP? I see Vector listed but isn't that just a reissue of Legacy figure? I was thinking that I wouldn't mind a G1 version of Sentinel Prime, or Titans Return version.

Liege Maximo is on this list too. And this list is for much later in the 2026 line, with the chart posted above by Nemesis Primal showing more Primes (particularly Quintus Prime and Amalgamous Prime) coming earlier than the ones in this list.

I'm getting the Combaticons and am looking forward to this new Bruticus.

While I would love to get a new Predaking, based on what's been revealed, the other CC figure doesn't seem to be a combiner leader... My guess on Hot Spot was definitely wrong.

A new Selects Multi-pack? Considering I have basically ever character I really want, I don't see getting this, but that Autobot 5-pk is so good, I'm interested in seeing who this includes.

If Nemesis Primal's wave schedules are right, including what's being released in SS86, the first quarter of next year will be an exciting time.