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carytheone wrote:

Kurona wrote:My little morality check comes into play with the rather vague little guideline of "add-ons or things HasTak probably will not do". I don't exactly expect Hasbro to release better hands and feets for Combiner Wars, nor do I expect to see an IDW Cosmos, Tarn or even Rodimus in my lifetime. That's where it's easier for me - it's not taking money away from HasTak because HasTak weren't making a similar product to get money from me! Win-Win! Same goes for 'Ultrl Magenus' here. Is Generations truly going to come out with a specifically Legends-scaled Ultra Magnus, especially when the focus has shifted from smaller versions of big dudes like Optimus and Starscream to just making figures of small guys like Rewind and Brawn? Is a Legends-Scale Magnus really going to happen from HasTak? Is it really? So yeah, no remorse here~

... of course, then I find a 3P Legends Soundwave with Ratbat and Buzzsaw for £15 - and a Legends Soundwave doesn't seem too unlikely from official channels sometime in the future - and I start to waver. Especially when an official one is not likely to be of the quality shown nor is it likely to have two tiny Cassetticons...

That's where I started with 3p add-ons then KOs of those add-ons, then a few clearance 3p figures, then a few KOs of 3p figures. At some point you get a little numb and money talks. I see no harm in picking up figires/accessories that would never be made or even figures you wouldn't have bought in the first olacw. Anyway do what feels right.

So what 3p Soundwave are you talking about? Iron Factory? Doesn't that one come with Laserbeak and Buzzsaw? I'm real close to. Pulling the trigger on Mech Planet's Sound Track.

https://tf-direct.com/mech-planet-the-h ... p1730.html

Looks like I may have answered my own question, but I still didn't see Buzzsaw.

It's Mech Planet, yup. I was remembering incorrectly; it's the Soundblaster version that comes with Buzzsaw and Ratbat. I'm pretty sure Soundwave just comes with Laserbeak - could be wrong, hope I'm wrong; really want a Ravage.

https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/mech-planet ... ldier.html

The Soundwave version on Kapow is still on pre-order. Don't ask me why. Soon as he's available though, easiest purchase of my life.

Kurona wrote:It's Mech Planet, yup. I was remembering incorrectly; it's the Soundblaster version that comes with Buzzsaw and Ratbat. I'm pretty sure Soundwave just comes with Laserbeak - could be wrong, hope I'm wrong; really want a Ravage.

https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/mech-planet ... ldier.html

The Soundwave version on Kapow is still on pre-order. Don't ask me why. Soon as he's available though, easiest purchase of my life.

I think you called it right with Sound Board. After I did a little digging and rabbit hole following with my usual dealer, aliexpress, I saw the same thing. Odd that SB comes with two minions and SW only comes with one. I'd like a tiny Ravage too! Wouldn't mind the twins either

carytheone wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's Mech Planet, yup. I was remembering incorrectly; it's the Soundblaster version that comes with Buzzsaw and Ratbat. I'm pretty sure Soundwave just comes with Laserbeak - could be wrong, hope I'm wrong; really want a Ravage.

https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/mech-planet ... ldier.html

The Soundwave version on Kapow is still on pre-order. Don't ask me why. Soon as he's available though, easiest purchase of my life.

I think you called it right with Sound Board. After I did a little digging and rabbit hole following with my usual dealer, aliexpress, I saw the same thing. Odd that SB comes with two minions and SW only comes with one. I'd like a tiny Ravage too! Wouldn't mind the twins either

Aww man, that kinda sucks - wonder how they justify selling SB with two cassettes instead of one then.

Not that I'm complaining about prices when it's £15 and not a KO

Kurona wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Oh! That's DX9's Mightron. Not to be confused with the Masterpisece-alike, that's part of their War in Pocket series.
https://tfsource.com/dx9/mightron/

I must say I do kind of like the scale with Prime on KOatron. Reminds me of Animated.

Gaaaah, that price... there any KOs out there?

very soon. the company that is koing that magnus is also doing mightron

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Oh! That's DX9's Mightron. Not to be confused with the Masterpisece-alike, that's part of their War in Pocket series.
https://tfsource.com/dx9/mightron/

I must say I do kind of like the scale with Prime on KOatron. Reminds me of Animated.

Gaaaah, that price... there any KOs out there?

very soon. the company that is koing that magnus is also doing mightron

Sweeet. I thought I'd have to settle for the Action Master

Kurona wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Oh! That's DX9's Mightron. Not to be confused with the Masterpisece-alike, that's part of their War in Pocket series.
https://tfsource.com/dx9/mightron/

I must say I do kind of like the scale with Prime on KOatron. Reminds me of Animated.

Gaaaah, that price... there any KOs out there?

very soon. the company that is koing that magnus is also doing mightron

Sweeet. I thought I'd have to settle for the Action Master

even has accessories the original doesnt
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/m ... n.1105709/

So the Tron is now a safe house for those questioning their own morality! Love it!

Man! Cary and Kurona, I keep staring at that mech-planet Soundwave, and that Galvatron really has my eye too. I just checked though and that Soundwave is as tall as Walthertron. I'd rather keep my "Legends" collection closer to the Hasbro scale when possible. I have been pining for Iron Factory SW that comes with LB, BS and Rav. He also comes with Perceptor!


The IF toys are probably my favorite 3P stuff I own, which isn't a lot. Only complaint would be their alt modes can be a little questionable

The Legends chase is hard. There's always good options, but they're never absolutely perfect.




Though THIS is pretty fun.


And this.



OK. Let's jump back and see if I can't join in this convo.

carytheone wrote: Man I want one of those Rooks.

Recommended!

carytheone wrote:Fun build and toy eh? He's a nice large cyberverse legends class huh? Good stuff

Super fun build! Very gratifying when all said and done. Couple of questions. Are you able to tighten the screw in his head tight enough? Mine kinda has a bobble head ATM.
Also, did you have left over screws? If so, how many? I had 1 of the 4 larger ones, and 3 of the smaller ones. Did I miss something?

Kurona wrote:... kiiiiinda want that Rook...

Recommended!

Kurona wrote:Unfortunately turned off that Megs now. He's just a bit too big for Legends Anyone know a decent Legends-sized Megatron aside from the T30 one?

Obviously you guys covered the options by now, but that old T30 Megs is awesome. Even without Walthertron, I was perfectly happy with him as my Legends Megs. And you know, the Takara version has that great silver paint job just like that OSed KO Cary showed.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:*cough* I might be interested in a voyager sized Alpha bravo, *cough*

Well hello Lurkwave's Lurking Hammer.
Always a pleasure.

Sigma Magnus wrote:The KO DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT HEAD

WHAAAAAAAT?!?!?!



Nothing says up yours to the Geewiener purists than this great big mean ugly mug!
That's kinda the main draw of this figure for me.
Head Canon: Alpha Bravo has grown and matured. Hardened and bittered by battle he no longer hides behind his face mask. Letting all who cross him know he will KICK. YOUR. ASS!

carytheone wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:The KO doesn't have a matching Offroad.

Ah, but they do!

OH SNAP! There was an itch in the back of my noodle that I knew I had seen this. I think the only difference between him and the Patron Saints is he doesn't have die cast parts, but I'm not sure on that. I wonder if he is the same OSed size as as Rook?
I would love an oversized combiner made up of all the "new guys" with either Sky Lynx or Cyclonus as the torso. Preferably with wonky wrong paint jobs.

SureShot18 wrote:Dang do those KOs look good Cobo. But they pale in comparison to the holy grail of KOs, which Thew got this weekend. I'm all the jelly.

Aaaaaand... what would that be?

And I'd just like to end this post with this:

Kurona wrote: I am unbelievably tempted to go for KOs of 3P toys right now. Like... you know that feeling where you know something is a bit iffy but no-one's really done anything about it and it's not that terrible anyway so no point fighting it; but you do this one little seedy loophole that makes you feel like such an ass but you love that it makes you feel that way? That's me right now. Over considering getting KOs of 3Ps. Fight the establishment with an arguably worse establishment!

GOOD ONE K!!!!!!!

MASTERPIECE SUNSTREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And back to the KO 3rd Party..

I want all of the OS KOs. Forever. The one that sent me down the enabler path on these was Reximus Prime. That. Figure. Is. AMAZING. And if others are close to that level? I'm in.

Cobotron wrote:

Kurona wrote:Unfortunately turned off that Megs now. He's just a bit too big for Legends Anyone know a decent Legends-sized Megatron aside from the T30 one?

Obviously you guys covered the options by now, but that old T30 Megs is awesome. Even without Walthertron, I was perfectly happy with him as my Legends Megs. And you know, the Takara version has that great silver paint job just like that OSed KO Cary showed.

Aah, but here's the thing my dude; I would SO go for that Megsy as my Legends... well, Megsy. But the only problem is that the Hasbro version doesn't really fit outside of his tearjerking backstory, and the Takara one is soooooo expensive these days

Yeah options are always totally hard in this game. Thankfully though my little Legends resurgence is more of a casual thing; I'll gather up what I can get right now and won't be sad with what I can get - especially when most of the main players have SOMETHING I can get my mitts on and I already have a nice little handful. Heck, CW Sky Lynx is probably perfectly sized for the display; and I'm betting Generations Deluxe Thunderwing will find his calling here too...

Kurona wrote:But the only problem is that the Hasbro version doesn't really fit outside of his tearjerking backstory

I don't follow, but I'm not as into the fiction as you are. For me a toy that represents a character can do just that. Not a criticism, just a way of thought.

Kurona wrote:Yeah options are always totally hard in this game. Thankfully though my little Legends resurgence is more of a casual thing; I'll gather up what I can get right now and won't be sad with what I can get - especially when most of the main players have SOMETHING I can get my mitts on and I already have a nice little handful. Heck, CW Sky Lynx is probably perfectly sized for the display; and I'm betting Generations Deluxe Thunderwing will find his calling here too...

Oh, the scale game gets real fun when you can mix all the Class sizes. I actually really like FOC Deluxe Magnus as the Magnus to Legends Prime and Legions carbots. Good call on Voyager Sky Lynx being to scale in a LL world!

Cobotron wrote:

Kurona wrote:But the only problem is that the Hasbro version doesn't really fit outside of his tearjerking backstory

I don't follow, but I'm not as into the fiction as you are. For me a toy that represents a character can do just that. Not a criticism, just a way of thought.

Kurona wrote:Yeah options are always totally hard in this game. Thankfully though my little Legends resurgence is more of a casual thing; I'll gather up what I can get right now and won't be sad with what I can get - especially when most of the main players have SOMETHING I can get my mitts on and I already have a nice little handful. Heck, CW Sky Lynx is probably perfectly sized for the display; and I'm betting Generations Deluxe Thunderwing will find his calling here too...

Oh, the scale game gets real fun when you can mix all the Class sizes. I actually really like FOC Deluxe Magnus as the Magnus to Legends Prime and Legions carbots. Good call on Voyager Sky Lynx being to scale in a LL world!

The Hasbro version of T30 Legends Megsy is decked out in colours and patterns evoking his history as a Miner and peaceful protester in the IDWverse - it's a bit of a far cry from his usual silvers, blacks and reds he wears most the time; just enough for me to not quite consider this deco for a 'general' display. Still a sweet deco though and I wouldn't mind getting it some time


SKY LYNX AWAY!!!!

Got it!

SKY LYNX AND BEYOND!!!!!!!

Cobotron wrote:

That RID Battlepack Prime is so HOT. He looks amazing compared to all the rest. Those wer some real fun toys to pick up.

And Cobo, I an in LOVE with my new KO 3P megatron gun Walthertron. I love 3p KOs. Its just a perfect absolute and buying them for me is equivalent to going "how do you like dem apples". I dont buy KOs of actual Hasbro products unless they offer something more. Like for instance, I bought a deluxe AOE Lockdown, and to have a voyager I bought the KO. Hasbro didnt lose any of my money and I got a fun toy to battle my voyager Prime. Oh ****, I just realizes I can now put him vs the TLK voyager and recreate that final battle in AOE

I also see no problems in buying KOs of toys I can never own, like a KO G1 Liokaiser. Its not like Hasbro is giving me an option to buy it right now. I would if I could. But a KO of, say, MP Prowl makes me feel a little dirty. I wont judge anyone who does it, but I dont know if I would get it. To me, KOs are fun for trying things out, but they dont serve as replacements. They fill a void Hasbro and Takara dont, just like 3p toys, so I dont see them as any different.

Anyways, back to Walthertron. I love the plastic, its a great colour, a nice gloss, feels good. I love the transformation. I own other 3p toys and I hate transforming them. They are usually overly complex and you can tell stuff was added once the design process was finished. But this little dude feels well thought out. He actually feels like a Takara transformation. I remember Scotty hoping that MP Megatron wouldnt take a ton of time to transform, but that wasnt the case. And someone else said that is was kind of insane how all these companies had a tough time making a streamlines transformation for a character that has a ton of alt mode kibble showing. This little dude makes it all work out. He shows that you can indeed have a fun gun megatron that doesnt take forever to transform but that can give a nice gun mode and a great bot mode with good articulation. So yeah, easily the best 3p toy I have.

@Carry, I felt like shaving that piece that connects the chest to the pelvis but I realized that it is mean to be that tight. If you apply some pressure, it will click in. If not for that part, there is nothing else keeping the torso attached to the pelvis so shaving it might make it become too loose later.
The barrel not fitting too well in the back is a shame though. There is a ridge stopping it from being flush and making it connect at an odd angle. I just remove the barrel and leave it somewhere, looks better that way to me.

Cobotron wrote:

SureShot18 wrote:Dang do those KOs look good Cobo. But they pale in comparison to the holy grail of KOs, which Thew got this weekend. I'm all the jelly.

Aaaaaand... what would that be?

THIS GUY

Might as well jump on the Sky Lynx train:

To be honest I think the Legends Megs mold works better for Warpath than Megs for CHUG scale. Feels so much like a G1 1980s minibot toy!

Cobotron wrote:

carytheone wrote:Fun build and toy eh? He's a nice large cyberverse legends class huh? Good stuff

Super fun build! Very gratifying when all said and done. Couple of questions. Are you able to tighten the screw in his head tight enough? Mine kinda has a bobble head ATM.
Also, did you have left over screws? If so, how many? I had 1 of the 4 larger ones, and 3 of the smaller ones. Did I miss something?

Probably not, I had quite a few left over as well including one of the bigger ones. I tightened the head screw as tight as I felt comfortable and its a little wobbly at certain angles. I guess it's time to bust out that floor polish.

Cobotron wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:The KO doesn't have a matching Offroad.

Ah, but they do!
[img]OS_KO_Plastic_Offroad[/img]

OH SNAP! There was an itch in the back of my noodle that I knew I had seen this. I think the only difference between him and the Patron Saints is he doesn't have die cast parts, but I'm not sure on that. I wonder if he is the same OSed size as as Rook?
I would love an oversized combiner made up of all the "new guys" with either Sky Lynx or Cyclonus as the torso. Preferably with wonky wrong paint jobs.

From what I understand he is the same size as Rook, but all plastic. I've seen a review-ish somewhere (maybe ben's collectibles) and he seemed to think it was great, but a little light. It's only a matter of time before Repaint Wars gets fired up all over again only this time it will be bigger and illegitimate.

itscramtastic wrote:And back to the KO 3rd Party..

I want all of the OS KOs. Forever. The one that sent me down the enabler path on these was Reximus Prime. That. Figure. Is. AMAZING. And if others are close to that level? I'm in.

That guy looks awesome. I'm eyeballing a 3p KO Grimmy at Ali for about $30 shipped. Reximus is a good cherry popper

william-james88 wrote:@Carry, I felt like shaving that piece that connects the chest to the pelvis but I realized that it is mean to be that tight. If you apply some pressure, it will click in. If not for that part, there is nothing else keeping the torso attached to the pelvis so shaving it might make it become too loose later.
The barrel not fitting too well in the back is a shame though. There is a ridge stopping it from being flush and making it connect at an odd angle. I just remove the barrel and leave it somewhere, looks better that way to me.

You know my name is literally in my UN

Do you have the same kit as we do or the pre-assembled voyager sized one? I tried pushing that tab in, but it wasn't budging. I used a small "nail file" to slowly work it down until it went in with a little force. I have no worries about the longevity of the connection. It's nice and tight

Same thing I found out with the barrel, it's the other stuff in the way preventing it from tabbing in well. I like the look, so I pull off the silver bit and it tabs like a boss

william-james88 wrote:Anyways, back to Walthertron. I love the plastic, its a great colour, a nice gloss, feels good. I love the transformation. I own other 3p toys and I hate transforming them. They are usually overly complex and you can tell stuff was added once the design process was finished. But this little dude feels well thought out. He actually feels like a Takara transformation. I remember Scotty hoping that MP Megatron wouldnt take a ton of time to transform, but that wasnt the case. And someone else said that is was kind of insane how all these companies had a tough time making a streamlines transformation for a character that has a ton of alt mode kibble showing. This little dude makes it all work out. He shows that you can indeed have a fun gun megatron that doesnt take forever to transform but that can give a nice gun mode and a great bot mode with good articulation. So yeah, easily the best 3p toy I have.

Yes, yes it is. I was super impressed with the transformation for such a little guy. I agree with all them statements, but I wouldn't call it the best KO/3P I have. That OS KO Shinebug is very nice for all the same reasons.

carytheone wrote:Do you have the same kit as we do or the pre-assembled voyager sized one? I tried pushing that tab in, but it wasn't budging. I used a small "nail file" to slowly work it down until it went in with a little force. I have no worries about the longevity of the connection. It's nice and tight

Same thing I found out with the barrel, it's the other stuff in the way preventing it from tabbing in well. I like the look, so I pull off the silver bit and it tabs like a boss

william-james88 wrote:Anyways, back to Walthertron. I love the plastic, its a great colour, a nice gloss, feels good. I love the transformation. I own other 3p toys and I hate transforming them. They are usually overly complex and you can tell stuff was added once the design process was finished. But this little dude feels well thought out. He actually feels like a Takara transformation. I remember Scotty hoping that MP Megatron wouldnt take a ton of time to transform, but that wasnt the case. And someone else said that is was kind of insane how all these companies had a tough time making a streamlines transformation for a character that has a ton of alt mode kibble showing. This little dude makes it all work out. He shows that you can indeed have a fun gun megatron that doesnt take forever to transform but that can give a nice gun mode and a great bot mode with good articulation. So yeah, easily the best 3p toy I have.

Yes, yes it is. I was super impressed with the transformation for such a little guy. I agree with all them statements, but I wouldn't call it the best KO/3P I have. That OS KO Shinebug is very nice for all the same reasons.

I have the same kit. And I thought i would have to file it down since it looked like the peg was bigger than the hole. But after applying the pressure it eventually snapped and works great.

And my issue with Shinebug is that I would like to have all of them to use the combining gimmick, but they only released Shinebug so far so we cant make use of that extra gimick.

william-james88 wrote:And my issue with Shinebug is that I would like to have all of them to use the combining gimmick, but they only released Shinebug so far so we cant make use of that extra gimick.

Negative Cap'n. You can have a giant OS KO Throttlebot combiner. I wan't to say they dupe up one or two of them and change the colors, but they do make enough bots to combine. The combiner bits are sold separately though

Wll you be getting th others to combine him? And were the combiner bits seperate in the original too? Personally, I wish there were less OS KOs and just straight up 3P KOs like Walthertron. I dont have the space for OS.

william-james88 wrote:Wll you be getting th others to combine him? And were the combiner bits seperate in the original too? Personally, I wish there were less OS KOs and just straight up 3P KOs like Walthertron. I dont have the space for OS.

Very unlikely. Shinebug was a random whim. I may get a few more as I like the look of the Jeep guy and SUV guy, but who knows. The quality is outstanding BTW. He is basically voyager sized, which works for me. I just pretend he is a big badass version of Goldbug

Not sure about the bits and pieces with the Toy World figures. Never really gave them much attention.

I'm not a fan of the whole OS thing except for where it makes the figure scale better, but I think I figured it out. Put on your tinfoil hat. I think the KO guys are OS'ing everything to make their figures only scale with their figures. That way you have to stay brand loyal to them

I need to open up my CW Sky Lynx! No idea why I haven't ripped him free and posed/played with him yet...

bodrock wrote:I need to open up my CW Sky Lynx! No idea why I haven't ripped him free and posed/played with him yet...

aWha wa wawa wha wa a'SAY WHAAAAAAAT?!?!?!
Well there's a box of rainy day magic just waiting for you. Hope you got some limb bots you can jam on him, 'cause he's one of the dopest torso dudes around!

You gotta get on that, Bod!

carytheone wrote:...double down...

There, found it! And quoted!! So..that was in reference to buying multiples of something?

Bodrock, I have Dezarus out of the Liokaiser set. I definitely like the Sky Lynx mold. There's a little joint looseness in places but I think you'll like him too!!

Cobotron! How do the trucks look next to each other?! Nemesis and Rook that is.